Unfortunately, It seems American needs to reach the very bottom

[debbierlus]

Before, it wakes up out of its coma.

A supreme court nominee just isn't going to do it. Even, two stolen Presidential elections didn't do it. People ponder, just what will it take?

It will take this...

Economic collapse. A depression. Another war...And, that is coming. I think this nomination was far more about giving the President the ability to declare war powers by surpassing Congress then anybody realizes. He can now implement the next war without a Congressional authorization with no fear of judicial repercussions. Bombs away. But, where oh where, will they get the people?

Part one of the above paragraph. A depression (it is coming). The military will take the people who have no means to survive. People with no health insurance and no living wage.

When it affects them to the point that they are gasping for breath...

Then, you will a revolution. But, not until then...

[laruemtt]

1. this is what really scares me,

and i know it's not a popular thing to do around here lately, but i'm not afraid to admit i am scared to death.

[debbierlus]

4. It is natural to be afraid - that is why we need courage

This is very frightening stuff.

The stuff holocaust are made of...

The way that 'liberals' have been painted into a category to hate and loathe truly frightens me. Dangerous hate speech that the msm broadcasts as the 'other side of the story'.

Sick, beyond all words.

[calimary]

29. It IS very much like Nazi Germany.

And it reminds me of something I heard attributed to Ralph Nader - that he felt (pardon the paraphrasing) the only way America would really ever change and come back into The Light would be if things just deteriorated so badly that nobody could stay asleep anymore. I dunno - maybe he was correct. People cling to their complacency. Like Howard Beale said in the movie "Network" - "leave me alone with my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything." Well, OUR job is to NOT leave them alone. I, too, want everyone to get mad. And then take action.

Visualize IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!
Then go DO something about it.

[Hubert Flottz]

9. If you're not on edge now, you are one of the crazys...

What gets me almost as bad as our own defectors, is the number of gutless unpatriotic republicans in congress. All that's left for Bushco to talk over with his crony court now, is the GOP's "final solution to the liberal problem."

[bumblebee1]

2. Unfortunately, that will probably be the case. n/t

[KarenS]

3. I believe you're right,,,,,

It will be the Second Great Depression that turns the tide,,,,,

Unfortunately, I (and many others) will be a raving lunatic by then.

[debbierlus]

5. Oh, come now, we are all raving lunatics now - didn't you get Rove's memo

:eyes:

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. The only way out is to have a county/state/government job

in some kind of enforcement branch/ department that does inspections and levees fines. Those jobs will always be safe, and they pay benefits.

[debbierlus]

7. That doesn't sound like a way out - it sounds like selling out

Collection agents for the loan sharks.

I think I will pass.

[seabeyond]

8. i believe. i will welcome another outcome. i embrace every

opportunity for us to become enlightened before total destruction. but sometimes, on such a shakey foundation, we need to start over. this is what may need to happen

i told sons last night,it is like, if we won 2004 or if we had saved people from alito, was like jsut putting on a bandaid and would be fighting the same shit over and over and over. like we have to experience this so people have a clear vision this is NOT hwat we want. then we heal. wont be a cancer coming back all the time to deal with

[debbierlus]

10. I agree with you, I just hope we aren't destroyed in the process

[seabeyond]

12. ahhh we are a sturdy lot. we will feel the pain, face the repercussions

thru out history people have. some will survive, others wont and we dont know who that will be. just put head down and keep on fighting. and do a whole lot of living and loving on the way. who is to know. that is a future. but... the now, i look around me, and looking pretty good. we will all just deal with things as they come. may be worse than we thought, orrrrrrr even, may not be as bad as we had pictured. not gonna sit in fear though

[debbierlus]

13. AMEN

[Helga Scow Stern]

14. Right on. As usual. n/t

[Mist]

11. Things have to fall apart before something new can be built-

I've been thinking this for a while, the last 5 years in fact, but now that the disintegration is speeding up, I'm scared too.

[Indy Lurker]

15. cheer up.... Were at the bottom.

I think this is the bottom. The Right have nothing more to gain, and the Left have nothing more to lose.

The best the Repubs have as Presidental material is John McCain, and while he's not a liberal, he's not that far to the right. That alone puts the debate between McCain and the Left.

[mom cat]

27. McCain has been "portrayed" as more compassionate than Bush

but he sure hugs him like * was his sugar daddy.

[Verve]

16. How many times do we have to reach rock bottom? In the last 5 years, I've

thought it couldn't get any worse, numerous times. Yet, * and Co. always seem to surprise me and the country continues to spiral downward.

[Strawman]

17. If we can win in 2006 and 2008

We will have a warrant for change unlike what we would have had in 2000. I'm not suggesting that it's good we were screwed out of the White House then. I'm just saying that after eight years of this guy and the Repugs, we may have an opportunity to pursue a handful of progressive changes that we might not have had otherwise.

I don't think we need anything worse that what is going on now to gain power and the ability to do something with it. I don't know this for sure, but that's what I believe. Our opportunity is coming. Bush and the Republicans are like a TV show that has been on way too long. People are just getting fatigued from hearing their message. All they can do is continue to articulate the same crap Reagan did 20 years ago. It's just gonna get old with the voters. That's the disadvantageous flip side of the strategy of the RW noise machine.

They have gained alot of political capital by portraying people on the left as constantly bitching about some PC thing or other. Constantly judging and scolding the behavior of "ordinary" Americans. Well the God squad on their side is sounding increasingly loud and shrill and I think people are getting tired of hearing them bitch about us. They'll vote for us just because they want these RW blowhards to STFU.

Progressive change might not ultimately result from a future depression or war the way it did under FDR. I'm sure you don't want those things to happen in any case (I certainly don't), but I think they're just as likely, perhaps more so, to turn things even uglier and further to the right. The RW's strategy is like a tantrum that can only be sustained for so long. We'll get another chance to govern under normal conditions, sooner, I think, than later. All we need to do is present a fresh, smart and coherent alternative.

[ldf]

18. this is all part of yet another plan

sure, the president can now do all sorts of crap without fear of intervention, now that he has the supremes in his pocket.

and that includes declare war on whomever, whenever he pleases.

but, note the many articles about "military being spread thin", noted, no less, by members of the pentagon, in essence calling rumsfeld a liar.

we are looking at the gradual implementation of a private defense industry, supplied, more than likely, by halliburton.

the president will be able to go to war, the "people" won't have to be bothered with it since a draft will never be declared, and halliburton will make even MORE hundreds of billions. and by virtue of being on the inside, carlyle and the bushies will become the masters they so want to be.

since the military will then be the president's private army, no one in the military will make any attempt to stop it. after all, they will be making a very good living acting the part.

add to that the fact that every single communication by the people is being monitored, thereby always being able to stay one step ahead of those pesky "people", while the bought and paid for information industry will keep us well distracted.

oh well. it was fun while it lasted...

:shrug:

[Triana]

19. people are too comfortable...

...and they equate that with 'freedom'. Until they become uncomfortable, they won't wake up. Until they become very uncomfortable - and all of us along with them, they won't realize that comfort does not equal 'freedom' - until they've lost both of those things, we're screwed.

[DemReadingDU]

20. When I see restaurants

with empty parking lots because people can't afford to eat out anymore,
THEN, we will have hit the bottom.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

23. The way the economy is structured, eating out isn't a luxury

Sometimes, with two parents working, eating out seems like a necessity.

Of course, when the other parent loses a job, that could change.

[converted_democrat]

21. I think you are right.. They won't "get it" until they hit the bottom... I

have my house up for sale and our business too, and as soon as they sell we are out of here.. We're going to start our "extended vacation" in Mexico, and then go from there.. I don't want to be here to see it happen..

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

22. My retirement plans have changed in the last six months

Manila, Philippines is quite possible for me.

I don't want to be here when all the guys with Suburbans and shotguns can't afford gas or food.

[Castaway]

24. The president will be out before he can declare war

he dosent have enough time to start a war and you better hope he dosent or the next president will be coming in with a whole heap of trouble waiting for him

[lectrobyte]

25. We could be bombing Iran or Syria very soon, a little "shock and awe" to

pump up *'s numbers for the '06 midterms. Why do you feel this is not a possibility? The Iraq Invasion didn't happen until '03. Maybe have another landing on an aircraft carrier before the elections, too...

[BigBearJohn]

26. when enough people are REALLY HURTING, they may wake up

[Old and In the Way]

28. We, as a country, haven't suffered enough yet.

But we will........