Men: Would you take a birth control pill? n/t

[cynatnite]

[MazeRat7]

1. Depends on the side effects.... (n/t)

[cynatnite]

9. no side effects

:sigh: unlike women's which can cause a host of them.

http://english.sabah.com.tr/510DD5A84895491F86C0E8D266E53369.html

[MazeRat7]

10. All drugs have side effects (n/t)

[cynatnite]

13. Not this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=418791&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct=5

I'm sure if it was taken incorrectly there could be side effects.

[MazeRat7]

18. Well the link is not loading... but here is my point...

All drugs have side effects independent of correct/incorrect usage. This can be due to allergic reactions from the binders used, to the the type of therapy the drug provides. As an example, asprin... it may cause gastrointestinal problems, reduce the bloods ability to clot, and may adversely interact with other medications you are taking.

I wish I could actually see the article (which is not loading at this time) but if they are "claiming" there are "no side effects" then a) the author is just stupid or b) it was penned by a representative of the company that manufactures the drug.

Bottom line, I will not take any drug for any reason until the "potential" side effects are enumerated for me. Moreover, if someone claims the drug has no side effects then certainly I would not take it because the person peddling such drivel is someone I should not be looking to for informed advise.

MZr7

[cynatnite]

22. I understand your point...

Human trials haven't started yet, but so far in the testing they've done there is no side effects at all. Very surprising even at this early stage.

And you are right, too. If there are side effects, they should be known for everyone who intends to use it.

What makes the potential for side effects minimal, from what they are saying, is there are no hormones and this basically stops a sperm from impregnating a woman.

What is intriguing about this is that women can almost pretty well stop taking birth control pills, which can be very dangerous for them, and tell men 'it's safer for you to take the pill than me'.

[MazeRat7]

31. Well now I think we are getting at the root of the issue....who should take action ?

There are so many scenarios to speak to each would be...well to much typing. That being said, In the case of a "committed" relationship, be that boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife, and neither partner liked the idea of mechanical birth control (condoms vs diaphragms) then the decision would need to be made "who" should take a pill.

Once the decision was made that one partner would take a pill, then I think it would be wise to determine which partner was less likely to have adverse reactions to the pill. Given your description, hands down it "sounds" like the boy-pill is the way to go since its not screwing with hormones, etc, etc.... Sure he might get some gas or something.. but hell all guys love to fart out loud so is that really a down-side ?

I know Ms MZr7 can take the pill... but see stopped a couple of years ago because of the risk associated with long term usage of that drug. Would I take a pill so she didn't have to fool with the mechanical devices ? Sure, so long as it didn't kill me off before my time or cause me to grow an extra finger or something ;)

And there in is my other point... at least in the case of committed relationships the decision on how best "not to breed" should be a joint decision that puts the least amount of burden on the relationship by not introducing secondary medical complications as a result of a partner taking drugs that exhibit side effects for them.

MZr7

[cynatnite]

35. Completely agree!

:)

[MazeRat7]

38. well that ended swimmingly didn't it... and who says we DU's can't agree on anything?... LOL

[progdonkey]

25. link's working for me...

though it took much longer than usual to load up.

[MazeRat7]

42. Your right... its really slooooooooowwwwwww...... zzzzzzzz (n/t)

[LiberalEsto]

67. Side effects of not taking one:

18 years of child support

[mondo joe]

2. I find being gay is a much more certain birth control than any pill.

:-)

[cynatnite]

5. If I was single with untied tubes...

I'd be jealous :P

[baldguy]

3. "C'mon, baby! I'm on the pill. Trust me!"

[zanne]

63. Yeah, yeah. nt

[Anakin Skywalker]

4. Sure! Why the Hell Not! n/t

[AlamoDemoc]

6. This man has better idea...lol

'A South African man has been fined $140 for taking a week off work, telling his employers he was pregnant.'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6190772.stm

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Yeah, baby. Now let's get under the covers and get down to business.

I'm easy.............

[BlackVelvet04]

8. They can't remember

to put the seat down.....you're going to trust them to remember a pill? ;-)

[Captain Hilts]

11. Men: Could they be trusted to remember to take it? nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. It ain't about women needing to trust men to take their pills...

The point is it would no longer be necessary for men to trust women to take them.

Absolutely I would... if I were still single or my wife hadn't already had her tubes tied.

[Matariki]

20. Absolutely correct

EVERY sexually active person, male and female, should take 100% responsibility for their birth control, and NOT assume the other person is taking care of it.

[Hosnon]

28. Has there been a huge problem with men claiming to be sterile or snipped? nt

[cynatnite]

34. I don't know about a big problem, but...

I was pretty dumb and didn't know much about anything. My mother wouldn't allow me any birth control so I relied on asshole boyfriend to wear rubbers. I was stupid enough to not know the difference. Told me he was, when he wasn't. Found out later he wasn't when common sense started getting through to the brain cells.

[Hosnon]

36. Yeah I'm sure it happens - but that fact is never used as an argument against

vasectomies.

[mongo]

33. Sexist much?

If you don't trust your hetro partner to be on BC then you should be using condoms also.

But there are so many women that have bad reactions to oral contraception you would think this discovery would be welcomed -- instead of being used as an excuse to deride men.

[Captain Hilts]

45. If someone starts a thread about trusting women to take the pill, I'll chime in...

but this isn't sexism, it's about The Pill for men.

Remembering to take it is a big issue. A friend of mine was accused of her boyfriend of not being responsible enough to take The Pill regularly.

It works both ways.

[Clark2008]

73. Yep - I'm one of those women.

My cycle - sans The Pill - is perfect. Put me on the pill and I vomit, turn into the bitch from hell, bleed for three weeks out of four, have urinary issues and gain so much weight that no one would WANT to have sex with me (joking).

I'm pregnant now as a result of failed barrier methods; however, hubby is making plans to be be snipped after this baby is due so that won't happen ever again. We'll have two children and that's far and away enough for our income.

[mongo]

82. If I ever have health insurance again

getting snipped is high on my agenda.

But congrats on your pregnancy!

[Gwerlain]

12. Sure.

Depending on the side effects. Being in a committed long-term relationship with a woman who had a ligation, it's not an issue- but if it was, I'd be doing something about it. If both partners are taking measures, all the less likelihood of a mistake or a problem. I guess I'm a little unclear about why you ask.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. I don't know about other women's husbands, but I would NEVER trust MY husband

to remember to take that pill.:scared: I would have to dispense it to him to be positive he took it....eye witness.;)

[Raine]

54. Yeah I would never trust my boyfriend

cause he has talked about wanting a kid and he might "forget" to take his pill. I would also have to give it to him each time and watch him swallow only way I would trust.

[gkhouston]

59. I'd trust mine...

my sister, however, asserts that my brother-in-law would forget his ass if it weren't pop-riveted to his back. ;-)

[zanne]

65. Then stroke his throat...

To make sure he swallows!

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. BINGO!

:7

[Mythsaje]

16. Assuming I remembered, I'd have no problem with it...

Generally the only pill I can remember to take is a pain reliever when I'm hurting...because the PAIN reminds me.

I do, however, think it's a very good idea for anyone disciplined enough to take it on schedule.

[Matariki]

17. If I was a guy, I'd want to take control over my own birth control

and not trust it to my partner - particularly in casual relationships. Child support for unplanned babies can mess up a guys life as much as unplanned pregnancies can mess up a woman's life. In fact, I know a handful of men who foolishly assumed the woman was taking care of it - or were possibly even lied to, and are paying a large portion of their income to support an unwanted child. They have LESS choice than women over unwanted pregnancies, so a male birth control pill seems long over due.

[Porcupine]

57. Exactly why I had 2 kids and got clipped.

and I'm damn lucky that the ex didn't get pregnant with her POS she was cheating on me with before I was out. I would have had to pay for that one too.

I love my kids more than anything but the legal system regards fatherhood with less generousity than it regards manslaughter. Have a kid; hire a lawyer.

I wish I was kidding.

[Caution]

19. Absolutely

[RB TexLa]

21. I would if I hadn't already been snipped and clipped

and it wouldn't be any of my wife's business if I did. I choose to prevent myself from causing impregnation, she has a responsibility to choose to prevent herself from becoming pregnant if she chooses.

[Captain Hilts]

23. Gone from being the utility model to the sporting model, have you? Good man! nt

[Catherine Vincent]

41. Was this your choice before you had kids?

[RB TexLa]

43. Yes

[Catherine Vincent]

48. Don't care for kids eh?

That's why I love this country....it was your choice to do that.

[RB TexLa]

49. Well don't care for raising them

love my friends kids

[Omphaloskepsis]

52. I don't think forced pregnancy is all the rage around the globe..

Access to birth control might be a different story.

[cynatnite]

24. Women can throw away their birth control pills now...

Why take a potentially dangerous pill when a guy can get a much safer one? If I was still able to become pregnant, hubby would take this.

[Speck Tater]

26. Hmmm. Single, celibate 12+ yrs, had vasectomy 25 yrs ago... Nah. I'll pass. NT

[Hosnon]

27. If single or not trying to have a child, yes. Why not? nt

[Lars39]

30. I think it would also work if married and trying to not have a child.

[Hosnon]

32. I think I updated right as you were typing. And the "or" is inclusive. nt

[mongo]

29. Yes - gladly n/t

[DaveinMD]

37. yes

what's the problem.

[mike_c]

39. no-- I got a vasectomy instead and I'm very happy to recommend that...

...to all my male friends. Nothing to forget. Nothing to worry about.

[cynatnite]

46. Hubby wasn't crazy about the idea...

which was fine with me. I wanted my tubes tied. Talked my oldest daughter into getting her tubes tied after her third baby. We both are very glad we did.

Knew a doctor who snipped the wrong tube on a patient and the guy got his wife pregnant. Vasectomy had to be redone.

[BoneDaddy]

40. If it was throughly tested over time

pointless though, cause I have a vasectomy.

[ecstatic]

44. Every guy I've shown the article to says no, only women should face stroke risk

apparently. :sarcasm:

[BoneDaddy]

84. Maybe

because this is in the experimental stages...the pill has been around for decades now and I am sure you will find, if you honestly look, that women had a same untrustworthy attitude towards the pill back then.

[SidDithers]

47. No need to...

snip, snip

Sid

[More Than A Feeling]

50. Definitely, I would.

Just a little more peace of mind.

[Marie26]

51. Women: Would you trust a guy who said he had? nt

[Raine]

55. No way...

I'd rather continue taking my pills.

[Marie26]

60. Me either

That's why I'm not sure this new pill would actually change things much for women. For better or worse, women are the ones who have to deal w/an unplanned pregnancy.

[sandnsea]

64. Both should take responsibility

for their own birth control. Then you get a double dose and very likely no unwanted pregnancies at all.

[gkhouston]

70. Probably. It depends on the guy.

The kind of guy I wouldn't trust isn't the kind of guy I'd have bedded in my single days, anyway. My biggest concern about this is that people who aren't in monogamous relationships might treat the male pill as a substitute for condoms and STDs will increase.

[lukasahero]

78. I would absolutely trust my husband

If I didn't, he wouldn't be my husband.

However, if I were not married to him (specifically), no, I would not trust anyone with the chance that I could become pregnant. That's not dissing "men", it's taking responsibility for my own life.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

80. This particular distrust goes both ways

Especially if the man is perceived as having $$$.

A Brazilian woman stung Mick Jagger that way. Most profitable baby EVAH.

[nemo137]

53. Do I have to quit smoking?

Because 1.) that would be a hard descision and 2.) in the long run, smoking takes care of the problem.

[The Straight Story]

56. If it was made like flinstone's chewables or shaped like boobies I would :)

Hell, I'd take it before cyber sex.

[cynatnite]

58. Now, that's what I call incentive

:rofl:

[gkhouston]

61. who do you know with boobies shaped like Flintstones chewables? n/t

[Orsino]

62. Sure, if its safety were well-established. n/t

[Annces]

68. Maybe you should ask the question: Women would you trust a man who says he has taken birth control?

And I would say "show me the pills".

[BoneDaddy]

69. The Reality Ladies

is that you HAVE to be the one primarily responsible whether you like it or not, because if you are not, YOU will be the one dealing with the unwanted pregnancy.

Is this fair? no. Is it reality, yes!!!

That said I am a male who has practiced birth control my whole life and taken TOTAL responsibility for my sexual actions. I have two kids already and got my vasectomy in April of last year.

We can debate the shoulds all we want, but if a woman is relying on a man to be "safe" you are still taking a risk. This isn't about throwing anyone under the bus and I preach to other males the necessity of using birth control, but we need to deal with reality.

In a perfect world both men and women should be equally responsible for birth control, but when one side are grossly more affected by pregnancy (the female) then it will naturally cause males to be less responsible about it because ultimately they will not have to suffer the consequences like women do.

[newportdadde]

71. I have a son who turns 3 in Jan and 9 month old twins. I'd swallow the damn bottle at this point.

[ProfessorGAC]

72. Not Any More

My wife experienced early onset menopause and i don't sleep with anyone but her. So, no not now. But, probably when we were younger, yeah.
The Professor

[4theheart]

74. Maybe one solution to the trust issue...

Both males and females agree to take their respective pills in front of each other! lol

[ProfessorGAC]

75. Assuming It Works That Fast!

That would be fine for a relationship, but then i would expect that trust to be forming anyway. And for one-nighters, that wouldn't work i think. Not sure though about the male form of BC.
The Professor

[4theheart]

77. I agree prof :

For the male form of BC, the time from taking the pill to the time when it has its intended effect is roughly a few hours (according to researchers from Kings college) , of course the final recommended time could vary depending on how further human trials work out.

[Evoman]

76. Oh yeah..I would be right on it. And I would take it responsibly. I take my vitamins every day, I'm

sure that, despite being a big stupid man, I could probably handle taking a pill everyday. And I find that "do you trust a man" criticism non-sensical. No, of course you shouldn't trust a man....thats why you should still be taking your own BC and using condoms. Why can't we men take better control of our own fertility...I mean, I don't want to have to rely only on condoms, which only work 80 percent of the time.

I think any one who is trying to stop me from better taking control of my own life and fertility is being an idiot. I don't care if you a RW Christian or a LWer. And no, I won't apologize for that comment.

[Captain Hilts]

86. You've missed the point. People here have noted women forget to take pills too.

We're not singling out men here.

[cynatnite]

87. When I was on the pill I forgot at times...

but took two the next day.

[lectrobyte]

79. Sure.

[shadowknows69]

81. My wife too her pill as long as she could

I would in a heartbeat if we could afford it. I'm really sick of condoms with my own spouse.

[dethl]

83. I'll take it

Piece of mind on my part and if it renders me sterile thats a vasectomy I won't have to pay for :)

I have no desire to reproduce in any shape, manner or form.

[bullwinkle428]

85. Nah...I'm fine with continuing to use a condom! And for those guys

who say it detracts from the experience, I have to say that it ain't the condom that's making the sex something less than great. No reason to use any more pharmaceuticals than are absolutely necessary.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

89. I Was Fortunate Enough To Have Gotten Through My Years Having Never Needed To Wear One.

Though it obviously is nowhere near being foolproof, the rhythm method always came through I guess.

What always to this day amazed me though, in retrospect, was that not one of the women ever actually required or even inquired as to my wearing one. Not once. Not that they had to, I'm just glad they didn't. That way I never had to have that horrid contraption on myself.

But I woulda popped a pill if they had em then. I'm glad they're coming up with stuff like this now. But of course one must still be careful from a disease perspective.

[Subdivisions]

88. I don't have to worry about it but if I did I might as well be blowing

dust! Nah, I'd have to use a condom.

[Kelly Rupert]

90. Yes.