President Carter- "Gore Is Best Qualified To Be President & Dems KNOW He WAS Elected in 2000"

[kpete]

— Jimmy Carter on Charlie Rose says, "I think Al Gore is the best qualified to be president. And I agree with him on the environment and his critique of the Iraqi war. I don't agree with him on everything. He would be my preference, yes. I think he would do well in the South. And I think a lot of Democrats know he was elected in 2000 and should have been president. I wouldn't say it would be a sympathy vote, but his credentials are good."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=156238

[Olney Blue]

1. I agree with President Carter.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Me Too!

With Clark as VP, they'd be utterly unbeatable.

[TheModernTerrorist]

131. that's my perfect ticket

and a lot of the other big contenders would make for a fine cabinet :-)

[waiting for hope]

3. Did you hear that Repuke swine

on Hardball tonight? He made the comment that that was rich, coming from Carter, a loser, about another loser. I felt like punching through the set and smacking the crap out of the guy. What nerve, Carter has become one of the country's national treasures, a man of such humanitarian values.

[aquart]

8. What do you expect from a member of the Repudiated Party?

[waiting for hope]

16. Yeah, I know....

but it still just made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. He even looked like a Repuke reject, wide, shiny white face with ultra thin lips, you know, the type that scream bloody hell about abortion but if a non-profit type organization came knocking asking for a donation to help feed starving babies, he'd slam the door.

[jwirr]

90. Their shiny faces are a result of anointing each other with oil! Holy

water! They are so self-righteous.

[blm]

76. Even Dems have been conditioned to attack anyone spun into a 'loser' these days.

I remember the headline The Incredible Shrinking President only 6mths into Clinton's presidency and that fueled a distancing from others within the same party setting the country up for a huge Dem loss in 94.

McGovern, Carter, Cuomo were all vilified to a great degree. That Carter still sticks his neck out even knowing that this new media machine is chopping and dicing Dem truthtellers these days, says alot about his personal courage.

Too many Dems haven't figured out that the corporate media has become one of the biggest problems facing this country.

[jwirr]

91. McGovern and Carter have accomplished more out of office

than *ss has in his whole life.

[Pharaoh]

124. These are the same Morons

who think Bush is a man of God.........Just goes to show you what kinda sick psychosis we are dealing with in these fuckheads!

[PaDem]

145. Yep

"What nerve, Carter has become one of the country's national treasures, a man of such humanitarian values".

And they hate him for it.

[silverweb]

4. If President Gore chooses to run again, he's got my vote.

n/t

[aquart]

11. Mine, too.

What say we take Jeb Bush hostage till all the ballots are counted?

[mopinko]

18. count me in.

[GreenPartyVoter]

22. And me!

[NYCGirl]

5. When President Carter is right, he's right! NT

[chimpymustgo]

6. Gore/Edwards. What it should have been, it can still be.

Carter as Sec of State.

[waiting for hope]

9. I'm flipping a bit...

Gore/Edwards...Edwards/Obama. I think the latter may win out.

[wundermaus]

14. Now that would be a dream team...

"Gore/Edwards. What it should have been, it can still be.

Carter as Sec of State." - and Robert Kennedy, Jr. as Attorney General.

[Aristus]

19. No. Robert Kennedy Jr. as Chairman of the EPA.

Nobody is better qualified.

[Mendocino]

51. Or Secretary of the Interior

[demnan]

7. Of course he's qualified

This man was raised up from the time he was very young with the idea of being President. His parents instilled that in him. Even his cousin, Gore Vidal, mentions that it was about time this old family had a President in the family. This was his father's dream.

That being said, and as much as I respect and esteem him, and I know he would be a wonderful President, I don't think this is what he wants to do. He certainly hasn't been campaigning for this obviously like Obama, Clinton, Kerry, Edwards and probably Clark. I think another 2000 election would be enough to make this man crumble mentally. I just don't think he can go through this again.

Let's be glad he's still in public service on the environmental issues. I wouldn't get my hopes up for a Gore run for President again ever.

[Matariki]

17. Gore Vidal is Al Gore's cousin? I didn't know that. That's cool if true. n/t

[roody]

42. I heard him admit to some family relationship

in an interview with Amy Goodman (several years ago.)

[silverweb]

43. Actually, they're not related.

Genealogists have found no kinship at all.

"Vidal has long asserted that he's related to family of Al Gore, the former senator, former vice president and, if popular votes counted, 42nd president. Vidal's grandfather once wrote that he and Al Gore's father were seventh cousins, making Gore Vidal and Al Gore - well, some level of ordinal cousins or another. But a genealogist has constructed a very thorough genealogy of the family of Al Gore and finds no traceable relationship between Al Gore and Gore Vidal. The last three paragraphs of this genealogical chart discusses the matter. There's also another genealogist who asserts that his research can find no crossing between the two families whose name each happens to be Gore."

source

[kerstin]

28. Don't worry. If anybody can take a hit, it's this guy! n/t

[gauguin57]

84. Whatever, Gore Vidal! Gore Vidal, who supported RALPH NADER instead of Al.

Gore Vidal owes us an apology.

[randr]

10. He has already won once and would

easily win again. Especially in what I hope becomes a new political climate.

[conscious evolution]

12. Carter in '08!!!

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. Whoot!

I love it! :applause:

[wicket]

15. My President is Jimmy Carter

:patriot:

[lovuian]

20. I love Carter

Jimmy we Love you

[buddysmellgood]

21. Yep. That's the fact.

[kerstin]

23. Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!

This wounded, weeping country is calling, President-elect Gore!

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[Tellurian]

24. AL GORE=LANDSLIDE..

[malaise]

29. It's going to happen n/t

[Tellurian]

30. I Hope So...

Gore's quote from the movie, my sig line...

[malaise]

31. Love it n/t

[Minnesota_Lib]

25. I'll second that, Jimmy.

[Rockstone]

26. Saint Carter

he is up there with the greats in history

[ClintonTyree]

58. Even my mother.....

a dyed in the wool Republican who's never voted for a Democrat in her life likes Carter. "He's a good man, he never deserved all that was said about him". :wow: I couldn't believe that came out of my mother's mouth. She never has ANYTHING good to say about Democrats, including me. ;)

[AspenRose]

140. Amen

I love Jimmy Carter.

[Chulanowa]

Gore should listen to his elders

Orm at the very least, this particular elder

[lonestarnot]

27. REELECT AL DAMN IT!

[dpbrown]

32. I agree with President Carter

And I agree with President Gore.

[Demobrat]

33. Yup.

Al Gore is going to be the first oscar-winning (or at least nominated) POTUS. He would have made a good president for the past six years, but two years from now he'll make a great one.

[kestrel91316]

34. I just watched An Inconvenient Truth today on DVD for the first

time, and Gore has my vote any time he wants to run again. He got it the first time, but I didn't work very hard on his behalf. This time I will be serious. I was BEYOND impressed by him in the film.

We need you now more than ever, President Gore!!

[NYCGirl]

37. It's a great film, isn't it?

:thumbsup:

[RestoreGore]

55. And how did it move you to become part of the solution?

As he also stated, he didn't do this to have him be the center of attention, he did this to wake people up to get up and do something about this crisis.

[kestrel91316]

88. Well, having been energy-conscious for decades, it's not

like this awakened me to something I was unaware of. When I move from the house I'm in in a few months I will probably opt for an apartment VERY close to work, so I can walk rather than drive. And even though two BR would be nice, I might settle for 1 BR. Next car will be either a Fit or Yaris or Corolla (I have an old Accord).

I really think the biggest benefit from my standpoint was the website's link to Native Energy so I can buy CO2 offsets, not only for my own home and personal usage, but for my business usage. They make this important step really EASY.

Also, instead of trying to convince other people of the reality of global warming's threat through long drawn-out argument (not my forte) I can just tell about the movie and say SEE IT!!!!

Something about the motheaten icecap over half of Greenland, and the earthquakes there, got me really alarmed. We don't have much time.

[RestoreGore]

99. I've been conscious of it as well since I was a child

And am glad to read that others are making changes in their lives to compliment the message of the movie, which is really the point of it.

[corkhead]

56. you said exactly what I was thinking. His barn burning speeches convinced me

he is my 1st choice and I too would do a lot more to help him if he runs in 08.

[karynnj]

68. Yesterday, Scraborough and guests were complaining that "Happy Feet" was

Inconvienient Truth for kids. He was pathetic! (My 16 year old and several younger cousins LOVED Happy Feet.)

[DesertRat]

35. I agree wholeheartedly

:kick:

[roamer65]

36. I love Jimmy and I love Al!!!

[porphyrian]

38. I love that man. - n/t

[Catchawave]

39. Love Jimmy, Love Al

Gonna' Love the 2008 Pre-pre-primary season even more :toast:

[RestoreGore]

40. Then why didn't he say this in 2004?

Why was that the throw away year?

[Horse with no Name]

81. I believe we have reached a watershed

And we are at critical mass. Expect many people that haven't spoken up before to speak up.
If we want to continue as a country in the manner of which our forefathers outlined...if we value continuing to live under the rights guaranteed in the Constitution...then we MUST have a change of leadership in Washington.
Republicans have GOT TO GO. Hell even Newt yesterday was talking about obliterating the 1st amendment because of terra!
The repubs are trying to hijack this country--that is why you hearing from Carter.
We don't just WANT Gore. We NEED Gore. He is the real deal.

[RestoreGore]

97. Sorry, but I think we reached that critical mass years ago...

And the people still didn't speak out. Our Democracy was stolen right out from under us, and if that isn't reaching critical mass then I don't know what is. I also think many on the left only want Gore now because he is their "anti-hillary," and to me that is not a good enough reason for him to run.

And if this presidential election is going to be the same old sound bite, poll driven, mudslinging, rich man's popularity contest it always is, I think he is then better off out here saving the world by inspiring us to help him.

As far as I am concerned Americans place too much emphasis on one post, when our forefathers didn't even know for sure if having a president was the best road to go... and it is as if so many treat it as a Kingship. Placing so much power in the hands of one man in my view has also made the people lazy. I think that is one reason why Mr. Gore is out here trying to wake US up to make changes instead of just obsessing over one election.

He even claimed in Redlands during his presentation that one election is not going to solve this, and I agree with him. The ice caps in the Arctic and the receding ice in Greenland is not going to stop melting no matter who is in the White House, but WE can mitigate it to a great extent now by working together, and frankly, that critical mass you mentioned can't wait to be addressed regarding this most important of issues until we go through another media driven election with the same old status quo tactics.

[Pirate Smile]

96. Carter said that he urged Gore to run in 2004 so much that

he actually started to get Gore pissed. He said Gore told him that he and his family had decided he wasn't going to run and to stop pestering him about it.

Apparently, Jimmy Carter was very strongly for Gore running in 2004. He said he thinks Al would have won if he had run.

That was what I heard during his interview on Hardball yesterday.

[RestoreGore]

98. And Mr. Gore was right

He shouldn't be pestered about it.

[Pirate Smile]

106. I found a snip on it on the Political Wire

"Carter Backs Gore for 2008

Jimmy Carter, on Hardball last night, about Al Gore: I encouraged him so much in 2004 to run that he finally said, 'Mr. President, please do not bother me about this any more. My family and I have decided I'm not going to run.' He almost got angry with me. But I don't have that much doubt, first of all, that Al Gore was elected president by votes in Florida and throughout the nation in the year 2000. And I think, had he run in the year 2004 he would have won. And if I had to choose now a candidate out of all the ones that exist, at this point, at least, Al Gore would still be my preference." '

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/11/29/carter_backs_gore_for_2008.html

Sure, Al was right to tell Jimmy to back off but I don't blame Carter for sincerely wanting Al to run and trying to encourage him to do it.

[RestoreGore]

108. Well, my PAC did as well in 2004...

Which is why I learned a great lesson from that. If Mr. Gore wishes to run at any time of his own choosing in the future for any position he will. He doesn't need anyone pushing him, and if he has to be pushed into doing it I think it is best for him to continue doing as he is doing, which I believe is far more important right now.

I gained more respect for him for staying OUT of all of the political crap regarding running than I could have for him if he entered it again to play the game. He is making great strides regarding the climate crisis as a private citizen, and I believe he has found his niche. I support him wholeheartedly in that and will not be pestering him about something I do not believe he has the heart for. And who could blame him? His heart is in this climate campaign, and I respect him for that and think we need to do all we can to help him with this now.

[nam78_two]

41. yes! k&r

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Vidar]

44. Gratefully recommending our most truthful president.

[BlooInBloo]

45. Best Ex-President EVER. I especially love his gw-smackdown:

"Iraq Invasion...One Of The Greatest Blunders That American Presidents Have Ever Made"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/28/jimmy-carter-iraq-invas_n_35097.html


:rofl:

Maybe gw will take solace in the fact that he's tops on at least ONE list.

:rofl:


EDIT: Please run, Al. Pleeeeeeaaaaasssseeeeee?

[Bobbie Jo]

46. Damn Right Jimmy......n/t

[Clarkie1]

47. Gore can beat Hillary, easily.

I think if they all run it will be Clark, Gore, and Hillary in the front of the pack. I think if Edwards runs, he will probably be 4th because his inexperience will really be in contrast to the three in the top tier. Other senators and governors who may run will be far behind, imo.

I'm honestly hoping both Clark and Gore run. They agree on most issues (Clark has made global warming one of his top three priorities, and he understands it scientifically on the level of Gore and frames it as a national security issue), and both are strong voices us. I think they would be civil to each other, also.

[Art_from_Ark]

61. Gore/Clark 2008 !!!!!!!!

Another Tennessee/Arkansas team to clean up another mess of another clueless pseudo-Texan!

[Lena inRI]

110. Oh yeah! THE 2 TITANS of Dem Party. . .

. . .so to whom do all the wannabes and Congress go for creative, difficult technical answers to global problems facing the Dems. . .yep

Al Gore and Wes Clark!

So back these

2 TITANS of the Democratic Party for 2008 ticket. . .

make the 2 brightest, most qualified, likable Democratic ADVISERS the President/VPres in 2008.

Save time and money by putting these "answer" men at the helm ASAP instead of wasting time backing less qualified candidates and USING Gore/Clark as constant advisers. . .that is ass-backwards foolish!

GORE = CLARK 2008
(either and/or both)

:kick: :loveya: :kick: :loveya: :kick:

[earth mom]

48. Gore/RFK Jr. 2008

:woohoo:

[mod mom]

65. Love that suggestion!

[orpupilofnature57]

126. I'd vote that ticket in a heart beat!!!

[Hippo_Tron]

137. RFK Jr. is a terrible fit for the Vice Presidency

He definitely should have a place in the next administration but photo ops and ribbon cutting ceremonies should not be it. Personally I think that Dean should hire him at the DNC and put him in charge of a commission to ensure fair elections.

[LongTomH]

49. God bless you, Mr. Carter!

And, I'll work my ass off for Al Gore if he chooses to run!

[FogerRox]

50. RE-ELECT AL GORE '08

Could be....

[Raine]

52. Agreed

Jimmy Carter is on point! :thumbsup:

[VenusRising]

53. I would gladly vote for Gore.

I would also gladly work my tush off for his campaign.

Jimmy Carter should be the head of the Department of Peace.

[newyawker99]

74. Hi VenusRising!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[VenusRising]

113. Thank you.

Glad to be here!

Cheers! :toast:

[Historic NY]

54. If it was Gore v Kerry my vote would be for Gore.........

he loss by crooked hands has toughen him to the fight.

[RestoreGore]

57. Then did everyone who supports Mr.Gore...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2816333&mesg_id=2816333

Write to the NSTA regarding this travesty? Or are only threads that contain political speculation regarding Mr. Gore noticed here? If everyone here who constantly calls for Al Gore to run in this toxic system actually wrote to the NSTA to express sincere outrage regarding their action, perhaps we could actually get something good done for this planet. But then, all of the political speculation tying Mr. Gore's movie to some clandestine political run is what is turning some people off to begin with.

[cassiepriam]

59. Yes, People are going to want a known commodity. Not some unknown.

[DemonFighterLives]

60. Yes Al Gore should be President

Al and almost anyone else besides Lieberman. I'm sure he will pick better this time. Edwards? Clark? brand x?

He made a mistake in distancing himself from Bill in 2000, but now it will work in his favor as he spanks Hillary and sends her to bed.

Repair this country Al and repair the world in your spare time.
:dem:
I wonder if Al will see a copy of this thread?

Hi Al! :hi: :yourock:

:dem:

[YOY]

62. Thank you Jimmy. He's my candidate too!

Truly left on center but not extremely so. A good statesman, an honest speaker and has real everyman appeal. I sinceerely hope his dry and honest approach is appealing to others after this 8 year period of neoconservative "YEEHAWism".

Let's just hope Tipper can keep quiet about the soccer mom music banning play.

[Ganja Ninja]

63. Re-Elect President Gore 08!

:applause:

[Virginia Dare]

64. President Jimmy Carter speaking truth to power...

probably one of the few politicians out there, both current and former, who isn't afraid to speak the complete truth.

[magellan]

66. No one but a staunch RWer could argue with Carter on this

And it's very unlikely I'll vote unless Gore runs in '08. Go, Al!!

[NastyDiaper]

67. Gore 08.

Gore is right where he needs to be in the pre-pre polls.
I like Clark. I like Boxer. Obama. Hell I like lots of people.

However, I think that Gore won't run if the front runner is someone that he would endorse. And while I am in speculation-land, the lady on the armed services committee would not get his endorsement. That's my long way of saying that if Hrod runs, Gore will run. So much depends on how mucj work congress gets done 1/07 to 6/07.

[goclark]

69. I agree with President Carter

He is the best qualified and he has a forward looking outlook not a stay the course.

I love that about Gore and I love his family too.They are all class.

I also love that he fought beyond all odds to show America that WE WON in 2000.

[stubtoe]

70. There's my favorite president talkin' about my other favorite president!

THANK YOU Mr. Carter. You rock.

[ananda]

71. Carter and Gore both bring tears to my eyes.

They are such beautiful, thoughtful men.

[Stephanie]

72. AL 08

Al's my man! How do I get on that campaign? I'm ready to go to work.

[npincus]

73. yes, but is Gore interested?????

[Richard D]

75. Personally . . .

. . . I'd campaign my ass off for Gore. I think he's the one chance we have to save the world from burning up.

[mconvente]

77. How about President Carter for 2008?

Hey, I know he's older, but if Raygun was that old and president, why not Carter. He still have one term available since he only served one. Or Gore/Carter 2008!

[NYCGirl]

78. He'd be 85 YEARS OLD! NT

[ourbluenation]

79. Gore/Clark 08 n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

85. Hey, that's MY ticket. :)

[ArmchairMeme]

80. I Agree with Carter

Jimmy Carter is both a thoughtful man, a humanitarian and very knowledgeable. He well deserved the Nobel Peace Prize.

Will the country be looking for the best qualified person(adult, thinking, responsible) to be president in the next election or someone who can pulled down a level of stupidity that appeals to teenage boys as has been recently been demonstrated by the current boy king who appears to have been created by a marketing strategy sort of like a cartoon.

[Mabus]

82. I don't always agree with President Carter, but...

I agree with him on this.

Gore is, imho, the best qualified to be president and he has been right more often on the important issues than any other potential Democratic candidate in 2008.

[redqueen]

83. I hope to God he runs.

Please please please let him run!

[Uncle Joe]

86. Has ABC already dropped this interview from their site,

I can't find it on your link kpete?

[Mabus]

100. found it,

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=2683997&page=1

— Jimmy Carter on Charlie Rose says, "I think Al Gore is the best qualified to be president. And I agree with him on the environment and his critique of the Iraqi war. I don't agree with him on everything. He would be my preference, yes. I think he would do well in the South. And I think a lot of Democrats know he was elected in 2000 and should have been president. I wouldn't say it would be a sympathy vote, but his credentials are good."

[Uncle Joe]

103. Thanks Mabus

:hi:

[Mabus]

105. Anything for you Uncle Joe

:hi:

[benny05]

112. I agree with President Carter on one point

Gore has more experience than those who are thinking about running. But where I disagree with him is that Gore would not do well in the South, although he might do better than last, I think the jury's out on that one. Gore has a challenge in speaking and relating to the regular workin' man who may or may not know anything about global warming or even cares about it. He's more at ease with educated people, particular those who have college degrees on up. I also think that unless he recants on NAFTA, or at least making some effort to put some provisions for labor and the environment into it, his tie-breaking vote is going to come back and bite him in the rear, especially in Michigan and Ohio.

[Mabus]

119. Well, in many southern states Gore did better than Kerry

Here are the first states where I actually looked up the votes.

Louisiana:

2000:
George W. Bush Richard Cheney Republican 927,871 52.55%
Albert Gore Jr. Joseph Lieberman Democratic 792,344 44.88%
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2000&fips=22&f=1&off=0&elect=0

2004:
George W. Bush Richard Cheney Republican 1,102,169 56.72%
John Kerry John Edwards Democratic 820,299 42.22%
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2004&fips=22&f=0&off=0&elect=0


Mississippi:

2000:
George W. Bush Richard Cheney Republican 573,230 57.62%
Albert Gore Jr. Joseph Lieberman Democratic 404,964 40.70%
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2000&fips=28&f=1&off=0&elect=0

2004:
George W. Bush Richard Cheney Republican 684,981 59.44%
John Kerry John Edwards Democratic 458,094 39.75%
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2004&fips=28&f=0&off=0&elect=0

Alabama:

2000:
George W. Bush Richard Cheney Republican 944,409 56.47%
Albert Gore Jr. Joseph Lieberman Democratic 695,602 41.59%
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2000&fips=1&f=1&off=0&elect=0

George W. Bush Richard Cheney AL Republican 1,176,394 62.46%
John Kerry John Edwards AL Democratic 693,933 36.84%
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2004&fips=1&f=0&off=0&elect=0

I thought about including the 1996 numbers (and you can look them up here: http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=1996&off=0&elect=0&f=0) but it was a different type of election. Perot was running and Clinton was a popular incumbent president.

Both the 2000 and 2004 elections polls were had the population evenly split between the Republican and Democratic candidates around election time.

[benny05]

120. Good stats to show

But Gore needs to win at least one southern state, to do very well, in President Carter's words. Kerry wrote off the South in the last campaign, relying on Iowa and Ohio to get him past the mark, but Republican fever was still in the air in both places.

[Mabus]

123. He won the key southern state: Florida

and that put him over the top in the electoral college.

[benny05]

128. Well, yes and no

Technically, he didn't win Florida, but then he wasn't given the chance to completely get every vote counted.

I'm suggesting that he will have to win another Southern state next time. All he really needed to win was Tennessee, but I don't think Tennessee has warmed up to him since the election.

[Mabus]

133. I believe Gore won Florida

Gore had 266 electoral college without Florida. With Florida's 25 he would have had 291. Bush, on the other hand, needed Florida's 25 votes to get him over the hump and get him past the magic 270 number.

About Tennessee, the Clinton/Gore got a lower percentage of the overall vote in 1992 and 96 when Ross Perot took 10% of the vote in 92 and and 5% of the vote in 96. So, while Clinton and Gore won in Tennessee in the two previous elections, Gore got a larger overall percentage of the votes in 2000 then the previous two elections when there was a strong third party candidate in the mix that took votes from primarily the Republican candidates.

So, whether you want to admit it or not, Gore did very well in his home state. Better than the Democratic ticket had done in the previous two elections and much better than it did in 2004. He can pull his state in 2008. I have no doubt about it.

Here are the totals:

1994:

William Clinton Albert Gore Jr. Democratic 933,521 47.08%
George Bush J. Danforth Quayle Republican 841,300 42.43%
H. Ross Perot James Stockdale Independent 199,968 10.09%
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=1992&fips=47&off=0

1996:

William Clinton Albert Gore Jr. Democratic 909,146 48.00%
Robert Dole Jack Kemp Republican 863,530 45.59%
H. Ross Perot James Campbell Independent 105,918 5.59%

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=1996&fips=47&f=1&off=0&elect=0

2000:

George W. Bush Richard Cheney Republican 50,460,110 47.87% 271 50.37%
Albert Gore Jr. Joseph Lieberman Democratic 51,003,926 48.38% 266 49.44%
Ralph Nader Winona LaDuke Green 2,883,105 2.73%
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2000&fips=47&f=1&off=0&elect=0


2004:
George W. Bush Richard Cheney Republican 1,384,375 56.80%
John Kerry John Edwards Democratic 1,036,477 42.53%
Ralph Nader Peter Camejo Independent 8,992 0.37%
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2004&fips=47&f=1&off=0&elect=0

[benny05]

139. See you lined out the issue with Tennessee

He didn't win there. If he had, he would have won it all.

Anyway, the issue I raised about the working man will have to be addressed by Gore, not us.

[Mabus]

146. Gore got 500K more votes than Bush; in 88 he won AK, KY, NC, OK & TN

and you're saying he doesn't connect with the working man?!? Who do you think voted for him?

I would say he connected with the working man well enough to get 500K more votes than Bush. Not to mention he represented Tennessee in both House and Senate seats from 1977 to 1993.

In fact, in 1988 Gore won Arkansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, Oklahoma and Tennessee in the Super Tuesday primaries but dropped out of the presidential race in April after a poor showing in the New York primary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_gore#1988_Presidential_run

He's proven that he can connect with the working man.

[benny05]

149. That was nearly 20 years ago

I'm not so certain today. But I think highly of Gore. His speech on MLK day this year was outstanding, and showed his passion for patriotism. But his vocabulary in it is not the working man's vocabulary, is all I'm saying.

[Mabus]

150. And you are entitled to your opinion

I remember huge lines of people lined up to vote for Gore. I considered them the working class, ordinary people. In Missouri, where my husband and I campaigned for Gore (since Missouri was a swing state) there were people lined outside the polls in the heavily Democratic inner cities. Judges closed the polls that night disenfranchising thousands of voters. And who do you think was lined up to vote during the evening hours? I would guess it was the everyday working man considering the neighborhoods.

I also remember ordinary people in the streets of Florida fighting for Gore (see http://www.kestan.com/travel/dc/protest_contested_presidency/index.htm for photos). There were people in a lot of streets across America. I remember people in the streets of D.C. protesting Bush's inauguaration. (see http://www.kestan.com/travel/dc/protest_contested_presidency/index.htm for photos).

I remember watching CSPAN the day Gore announced he wouldn't run. I remember people calling in and crying. Ordinary people. People who pay attention to politics and vote.

As for his vocabulary, that's your opinion. If he wasn't reaching ordinary people on some level, how do you explain everyone who supported him in 2000 and who have continued supporting him all these years.

edited to add: Please show me proof that Gore doesn't connect to the ordinary man based on the vocabulary he uses.

[benny05]

152. Go here

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/16/AR2006011600779.html

Words like arrogates, accretion, etc/

this paragraph: This administration has come to power in the thrall of a legal theory that aims to convince us that this excessive concentration of presidential power is exactly what our Constitution intended.

This legal theory, which its proponents call the theory of the unitary executive but which ought to be more accurately described as the unilateral executive, threatens to expand the president's powers until the contours of the Constitution that the framers actually gave us become obliterated beyond all recognition.

snip

And the administration has also supported the assault on judicial independence that has been conducted largely in Congress.


Granted, the audience he spoke to is very educated; it was given at Constitution Hall. Personally, the speech turns my bells on, but I don't consider myself in the majority at this juncture. In the days of Lincoln, when there were less people in general and many of men were educated by this type of rhetoric, it was fine. Today's working man understands Bushisms or what they mean, or they want someone to simply the complexity of the problems. I'm just conjucturing the swing voters who stayed at home in 2000 or voted for that fool in WH may have thought Gore was of the NE elite and not one of them (that's what hurts Hillary too, I might add). However, the window of opportunity is open for any candidate because if the voters at the time thought Gore was arrogant during the debates, now they have seen the chimperor's arrogance when he says "I'm the decider", blatantly ignoring the wishes of the American people.

Gore has an opportunity to work on his message, if he wants to run again.

[Mabus]

154. LOL, what a silly thing to say

When Gore speaks he tailors his speech to the targeted audience. He speaks to those audiences. He targets his message to the audience. He doesn't talk down to people. How did you expect him to talk to a highly educated MoveOn crowd at Constitution Hall? Do you want him to dumb down his speeches so he sounds as inept or as stupid as Bush? LOL. Next thing I know you'll be saying, like the RW pundits, that Gore is crazy or off his meds. If he dumbed down his speeches, you (and hundreds of RW pundits) would say he was reinventing himself.

C'mon. Get real. I see you have a John Edwards avatar. How well did Edwards connect with the common man in 2004? If you go back and look at the links I provided in earlier posts you'll note that Gore increased the percentage of people voting in Tennessee for the Democratic ticket in 1992 by almost 4% (not to mention that when he ran for president, he got a higher percentage of the vote than when he was running as VP). In contrast, adding Edwards to the ticket didn't give the bump that was hoped for in the southern states at all. Sure, Edwards got that .38% (that's less than 1/2%) bump in North Carolina but he didn't help the ticket. Perhaps, he doesn't connect well with the voters. Edwards didn't carry his state, he gave no significant bump to the Democratic ticke in southt. In fact, as you noted, rather than Edwards helping in the southern states, the Kerry campaign wrote off the south and hoped to garner enough support in the other areas to carry them into the WH. As I demonstrated in my earlier posts, the Democratic ticket LOST support in the south 2004.

Beyond all of this, Gore has given his AIT presentation to churches and other groups of the "common man"> Gore has either had to turn people away or give extra talks due to the size of the crowds showing up. He's connecting with people, you just aren't willing to see that. And, frankly, that's your loss.

[Mabus]

155. Check this out

div class="excerpt"]Here's a secret not mentioned by the media...the religious amongst us have warmed to Al Gore in the last few years (environmental policy, populism, anti-war amongst the reasons). If he runs, he will destroy Hillary and beat the Republican, too...even Guiliani or McCain. Al Gore is exactly what America needs in the executive branch, and I hear a lot of support for him amongst all but the most freeperish of freepers. I have never seen a Republican grudgingly support any other Democrat in my hometown in North Texas unless they were a native of the state.

[benny05]

157. I have no doubt he could beat Hilary

But so could John Edwards.

[Mabus]

158. Yes, but Gore would get more votes in the south while he was at it

People remember that Gore charted a plane and evacuated people to hospitals after Katrina. Southerners remember good deeds. He changed the minds of a lot of common people.

[benny05]

159. I do remember that

But Edwards is going to be a formidable contender for the Southern vote. He's been pretty active there in the past 2 years since the 2004 election. And he speaks their language better than Gore does.

[Mabus]

160. Show me numbers

Else, I will continue to believe that you are doing little more than spewing RW talking points.

Again, I point you to the 4% bump Gore gave TN in 1992 versus the .38% Edwards got in NC. Those are facts. Show me some facts.

[benny05]

164. I'm discontinuing this conversation

It was ok until you started calling me a RW spewer because I didn't have numbers right away. To me, by calling me a RW'er, you are smearing Senator Edwards.

I just know that Edwards did some campaigning for some candidates in NC, SC, and VA, and some of them got elected. I know he spoke at 160 events over 18 months, raised 8.5M for local, state, and national candidates. I know that he entertains some popularity at BlueNC, which is the main Dem blog, where I blogged with others, including his wife. If he didn't have any popularity, including folks who turned out in droves at his book signings, as reported on Edwards' blog and the DK, then so be it to you. You can find the stories both places.

I guess you had on some blinders when you read my posts earlier. I said I would be willing to support Al Gore if he were the Dem nominee. My argument was that his getting there this time would be more of a challenge because John Edwards has done a lot more since his time in the Senate. If you read the Charlotte Newspapers and the News-Observer as often as I do, I can see that more folks are rethinking about a potential Edwards run. When Edwards has raised more than 100K for the poorest county in NC in order for HS seniors who elsewise would never get a crack at college, that makes news, and yes, it engenders goodwill towards a working family who can barely make ends meet, and their son or daughter has a fighting chance with more education. When someone is listening to their story about being poor and someone like Edwards is actually trying to do something about it via a poverty center, that makes more local news. The story about a woman who finally got a break to start a pizza parlour is memorable, especially when Edwards asked her, "how many employees do you have?" Her answer, "there are 7 of us". Or what about the 700 students who answered his call to help clean-up the St. Bernard Parish in NOLA during Spring Break in the middle of March earlier this year?

You can do searches on topix.net and find the local news about everything I am saying or go to his poverty center web site at UNC.

Gore is seldom mentioned, but that may be to his advantage. I'm commenting that while I know more Dems than Republicans, I also know more Indies than I do Republicans, and my commentary is based on what they tell me, even it is ancedotal. I've talked to plenty of southerners as my profession stretches far and wide, including NC and TN. Those folks have told me that they are favoring Edwards because they recall reading that he brought some hope to smaller towns such as money for a public library, a much needed wastewater system, etc, when he was a senator. It's important to understand your base, but unlike Rove, who was totally wrong this time about the election, it will be back to finding the indy voter who is willing to listen. The economy, as much as the war, will be a big issue in 2008 because we are about to go into a recession again as there are many signs of the economy (which is not great anyway) slowing down. Retail sales are slowing, and manufacturing isn't picking up either.

Your comment about me was totally uncalled for and way out of line, considering you are not acquainted with me. I have not been mean spirited at all, and I don't intend to put up with anyone who is. Go your path if you cannot continue a civil discussion without name calling.

[Mabus]

165. Jesus dude, all I did was ask for proof

I'm not the one repeating the usual RW canard about a Democrat not connecting with the common man. Dukakis didn't connect. Gore didn't connect. Kerry didn't connect. Well, if they didn't connect how the hell did they become our nominee? Of course the Democrats connect with the common man, all of them do, or they would not have reached any prominence in the party. When the RW can't get a Dem on trumped up) moral charges (Clinton, Kennedy, Hart) they claim the Dem can't connect with the common man. It's an old fallacy. Thanks for playing along.

Go ahead, disengage. You said Gore couldn't connect with the common man and I provided voting statistics that indicate otherwise. I asked you to prove what you were saying but either you can't or won't. Instead of providing anything concrete you start playing the victim, delcare me hostile and then threaten to disengage. Jesus, all I asked for was concrete proof.

fyi, Clark, Kerry, the Clintons, Gore, Dean, Obama and a whole slew of other Democrats campaigned for other Democrats and were warmly received. More often than not, every single Dem was enthusiastically received. Look, we're all in this together. Either learn to back up your contention (or admit that you have an opinion/agenda and no matter what anyone says, your mind is made up.

The only way my comments could be construed to smear Edwards is if you are Edwards himself. Frankly, I think you do John Edwards a disservice. He is a fine man. He hasn't been given the props that he deserves but to hold him above all others as being the only one who connects to the common man, is frankly, insane.

[benny05]

166. You did do the canard thing

"I will continue to believe that you are doing little more than spewing RW talking points." You don't see that as a personal attack. Should have left, but I am strong enough to fight your balderdash. You are fortunate I wanted to stay and fight for all of us you wish to bad mouth.

And as the stats for 2000 are important, I just listed a few things that you didn't bother to read that John Edwards has done lately. I guess your opinion is buried in the sand. Mine is not, your words are just so critical of anyone who wishes to posit an opinion about your candidate. Talk playing along, you haven't said anything new in criticism of Edwards. With Gore, I can easily say, I like him, he's intelligent, but other than being on a few talk shows, no one has posted with vigor his stump speeches for Cardin or other peeps. No one has suggested that he would help Harold Ford for TN senate or other TN Congressional candidates. A TN person told me tonight Gore has done little to help the Dem party in TN.

Take the pipe, piper, and realize that Gore has to do things on a regular basis to help the common man. Until 2000, Gore was a career politician. I still like him, unlike the obvious disdain for Edwards by trying to smear him, but I'm saying, Gore, if you want to run:

Move your HQ to California and run there; you have a better chance to win and no one will fault you from doing the campaign from your house in SF

Get down with the rest of us--and not with mainly Harvardians or Stanford types

Work on your sound bites, such as why NAFTA is still working when more Americans have lost their jobs in OH, NC, and MI

Keep doing the good work for our planet otherwise.

[Mabus]

167. And it is a RW talking point

I gave examples in my earlier post. I'll repeat it since you apparently didn't understand it the first time.

When the RW can go after a Democrat with sexual innuendos and accusations, they do it. When the RW can't get a Democrat on moral turpitude they go after their character and their typical canard is that popular Democratic candidate/politician X doesn't connect well with the common man. An example is Kerry. They tried the sexual angle by trying to link him to an (*gasp*) intern but it didn't fly, so then they started with the "Kerry can't connect with the common man" canard.

All I'm saying is that you are repeating a RW canard by claiming that Gore doesn't connect with the common man. I've demonstrated that Gore's percentage of the overall vote in the south was higher than in the 2004 election.

Let's make this easy. Give me some parameters. Who is the common man? Are you talking about a specific demographic that doesn't like Gore? Is there a specific economic group that you see as the common man? Is there a specific portion of the labor market that you are referring to? Is there a specific educational level that you're citing? What is the common man? Without a definition, you are doing nothing more than stereotyping, making things up or you are repeating something you've heard. You've presented me with nothing concrete to bolster your contention.

Furthermore, I still fail to see how my questioning your opinion smears Edwards. Please explain to me, how questioning your personal opinion on how Gore might do in the south (while totally disregarding the information I provided and linked to) in the future or how Gore doesn't connect with the common man, smear Edwards.

[benny05]

168. self-delete

next post is what I intended

[benny05]

169. And you remind me

Oh, you're right, Edwards helped NOLA folks this year

Oh you're right, he started College for Everyone in the poorest county in NC

Oh you're right, Edwards is working on poverty issues

Oh, you're right..

but no, you denied each one and accused me of being RW. Last time I checked, I have a good rating on DK and I've never composed a post on Freeperville.

Sad, fellow DUer, considering I give money here each month. I believe in this place, but you need to change your diet if you can only focus on the stats. Most want something more than stats for their leadership.

[Mabus]

170. That's all good but you're still refusing to prove anything

but, you still fail to answer any direct questions. You started out by saying that Gore couldn't win in southern states. I said that he won Florida. You said he should have won Tennessee. I showed the actual voting percentages that show that Gore did better in Tennessee (i.e. when Gore was on the ticket, more people from Tennessee voted for the Democratic ticket) each time he was on the national ticket. Moreover, when Gore ran as the head of the ticket he got more votes than any Democrat in over 20 years. He got 49% of the vote. Then you said that Gore didn't relate to the common man. I asked you your definition of the common man and you totally (once again) evade the issue and go on some tangent.

I stand by my contention that Democratic contender X doesn't connect with the common people. I stand by my contention that Gore did very well in the south. I stand by my contention that Gore did and still does connect with the common man. I also stand by contention that you were using a RW talking point.

What is sad is a fellow DU'er who can't stay on point, repeats RW talking points, plays the victim, evades questions and basically refuses to back up anything that they say. What is sad is a DU'er, with an obvious agenda, comes onto a thread discussing a particular Democratic politican and then tries to dis that Democratic politican with blantant lies.

It is just sad.

[benny05]

171. either you don't know what freepers say

or do not understand that your stats are old and will not necessarily repeat themselves. I also listen to c-span every day, and that is where one gets the pulse of the people.

Otherwise, in the polls, while Sen clinton appears to be the front runner, Sen Edwards and Sen Obama are considered favorites. In Iowa, Edwards is the favorite son as he led in the DMR poll last summer. In SC, which he won last time, but I guess I'm a freeper for pointing that out, he is likely to win. In Nevada, he has stood up with the unions, and is favored there.

[Mabus]

172. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Still you won't answer simple questions

You have provided no proof that Gore does not connect with the common man. Nor have you given your definition of "the common man." Moreover, all you keep doing is dodging and weaving around anything I say or bring up as evidence. You dodge and weave without addressing the merits of what I have said. In fact, you've dismissed, if not outright ignored, facts that I have provided (most with links). You, on the other hand, appear to be making things up as you go along. I could characterize many of replies in this subthread as being non-responsive as most of them are your attempts to change the subject or reframe the debate.

The reason I ask you for definitions to facilitate debate. I want to make sure we are working from the same page but this is becoming difficult when you keep changing books. What is your definition of the common man and what do you consider connecting? The easiest answers for me to find were the voting percentages. Surely, you don't believe that the common man only votes for Republicans. Personally, I'm not an elitist. I consider myself to be included in the term "the common man". I consider the people I run into the common man. Then again, I live in well-established but lower socio-economic neighborhood. I know people who have at least one of their utilities turned off at least once a year. Many of them can't afford to keep up with utility bills. So, what is your definition?

Face it, yes, you will support Gore if he is the nominee but in the meantime it appears that you will go out of your way to post on this thread with the purpose of trying to harm his reputation by repeating RW talking points. You have tried to argue (and have done so unsuccessfully) that Gore doesn't connect with the common man. The only proof/evidence I have are actual voting records/stats from the past on how people have supported Gore in the past. As for the stats that I have provided being old, the stats on the 2006 election are just over two years old.

What is really, really sad is that you are purporting to speak as an advocate of Edwards. As I have said before, I believe John Edwards is a good man but I also believe you are doing a disservice to him but imputing that any comments I make to you concerning your opinions as a smear of Edwards. I don't take anything you've said to me personally as a smear on Gore. But, I do think you are smearing Gore (and other Democrats) when you repeat the RW canard that X doesn't connect with people/common man.

[Mabus]

174. Hey benny05, check this out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=8166&mesg_id=8166

Whether you want to admit it or not, Gore connects with people.

Furthermore, let's look at what's going on with Gore now. He was one of the "GQ's Men of the Year," he's up for Time's "Man of the Year," his message about the climate crisis is the third highest documentary of all time (it passed "Bowling for Columbine" earlier this year), "An Inconvenient Truth" is up for an Oscar, he's got a best-selling book (his second on the topic), Britain asked him to be their consultant on climate change and he is a popular fundraiser. And that's just this year. For someone who doesn't connect well, he's certainly proven that he has broad appeal.

Let's not forget that Gore always seems to be ahead of the curve. For instance, he had this goofy idea that there were a lot of creative people out there who had no outlet for their videos. So he started Current TV so people could upload their videos for a wider distribution. Even better, he let people decide which videos made it on air. FYI, Gore started Current TV in 2004. Youtube didn't start until 2005.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

173. I think your comment here lacks context...

However, the window of opportunity is open for any candidate because if the voters at the time thought Gore was arrogant during the debates, now they have seen the chimperor's arrogance when he says "I'm the decider", blatantly ignoring the wishes of the American people.

Gore has an opportunity to work on his message, if he wants to run again.

The main factor in voter perceptions about Gore was the corporate media, not Gore's style. Voters thought Gore won all three debates immediately afterward. But the corporate media spin cycle kicked into high gear in each instance and negatively affected Gore.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh080102.shtml

That won't be possible in the same way in 2008, because of the counterweight of the bloggers, who become stronger each year as the CM gets weaker.

Any claim that Gore didn't connect in 2000 which does not address the historically unique role of the press in that campaign, is not legitimate, IMO.

Gore is currently engaged in "disintermediation," i.e. he is speaking directly to people (via TV, AIT, speeches) and is connecting very well. He is treated like a rock star practically wherever he goes. He speaks directly to the common person and with humor.

I don't think anybody is a better communicator than John Edwards, but Gore is doing very well today also. Everything that happened in 2000 was filtered through a cartoonish caricature of Gore. That kind on one-sided treatment is probably not possible in 2008.

[InvisibleTouch]

87. Gore has been President-in-Exile for the last 6 years...

...and whether or not he runs in '08, he'll continue his work. Ultimately, he may be the deciding factor in saving not only the country, but the world. Maybe that job is bigger than a single political office.

He's said repeatedly that he's not running, but sometimes destiny just calls a person. We shall see.

[bobbie]

89. Ohmygod President Carter is such a fine man

The CIA fucked with him so much during his presidency.

He also has a helluva point. And I appreciate him stating what most pols are too cowardly to say. President Gore never got to move into the White House.

[jwirr]

92. On Thanksgiving Day my entire family committed to Al Gore. I

hope he runs.

[oc2002]

93. I will support Gore if he denounces the DLC and Clintons.

Otherwise,,no.

[Tellurian]

95. If Gore gets the nomination or is drafted

there will be NO GORE BASHING allowed here..

[Uncle Joe]

107. I love that polar bear photo Tellurian

:thumbsup:

[Tellurian]

109. Ah, GREAT...then you'll love this..

just click and listen...


http://www.climatecrisis.net/

don't forget to click on the trailer, afterwards...

[Tellurian]

94. Never Forget, this man cares about US...

[Alexander]

101. We need Gore to run, and Feingold as VP.

Both men have been right on just about every issue within the past 6 years.

And Gore's been pro-active, with AIT. Not reactive.

I hope more people at his rallies and speeches ask him to run. Not "will you run?" but "Please, we need you to run."

The rest of the candidates are fairly uninspiring. The only one that gets me really excited is Gore.

[chaska]

102. LET THE CHURCH SAY AMEN!!!

[jgraz]

104. Carter is just a dupe of the vicious, lying, Kerry-hating media!

:sarcasm:

[dmilton]

111. There are an infinite number of individuals more qualified that Gore

Gore is an idiot. The fact that he has based his entire political identity on the myth of global warming completely validates my belief that the man is a raving imbecile.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=d0235a70-33f1-45b3-803b-829b1b3542ef

Just because we are liberal doesn't mean we have to blindly accept the left's position an all issues.

[Uncle Joe]

114. Yes dmilton, it is truly amazing that an "idiot" such as Al Gore

could have the vision to champion the internet thereby empowering you to share your wisdom for all the world to see, isn't it?:eyes:

[Rose Siding]

116. tee hee

When Jimmy cracks wise (in the genuine sense), it drives 'em nuts.

[Uncle Joe]

117. P.S. Here is a little more info about the myth of global warming from Bush's EPA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2827390

[Laurab]

135. Gore is a "raving imbecile"?

could you perhaps be lost? He's a very intelligent man, and very few scientists see global warming as a "myth", although I do appreciate you taking the time to find an article that agrees with you. I think maybe a google search for global warming would give you a more well-rounded view of the facts about global warming, which is generally accepted as being a very real threat.

An "idiot" and "a raving imbecile" describe GW very well, but certainly not Al Gore.

Enjoy your stay.....

[Alexander]

136. Another one bites the dust....

And another one gone, and another one gone....:evilgrin:



These freepers are way too obvious.

[madmunchie]

162. Takes one to know one

[Lilith Velkor]

115. Gore/Carter '08!

:headbang:

[samsingh]

118. i so, so agree

Climate change is huge. The planet is in trouble. President Gore understands that and can reverse it.

[Pharaoh]

121. YUP! K&R

we're there for you Al if your listening...........

[mzmolly]

122. I agree with the Great President Carter.

That's one helluv' an endorsement.

[orpupilofnature57]

125. The only thing that ever kept Jimmy down, was a devotion to the truth

in a corrupt world.

[mzmolly]

148. I always say Carter was a man ahead of his time.

He's an amazing person.

[AtomicKitten]

127. We should be so lucky.

[Tellurian]

143. Great pic, AK....

Ermmmm....mind if I nerf it? :hi:

Wooo-Hooo! Draft Gore! I :loveya: IT!!!!!

ALL my Gore pix are available for duplication at will..

[AtomicKitten]

147. nerf away

and there are plenty more where that came from

perhaps I can interest you in ...

[Tellurian]

153. hmmmm....nostalgia..

when I see those photos, it makes me think how hard Al tried to do things the right way. How Al (and all of us) were taken advantage of by the neoconic VRW. It's a ludicrous thought that in the land of the FREE and the home of the brave, we have to fight for fair elections as if we are a third world country, to have the wishes of the people fulfilled and the will of the people prevail.

Thanks for posting them..

Did you see Al on Leno last night?

I thought Leno acted like an a**..

Al did well answering Leno's stupid, juvenile, questions.

An actor or a politician...my gawd!

[ThomWV]

129. Exactly Right - Gore - 2008

[MasonJar]

130. I do not want Al to run again unless we fix the voting machine

dilemma and shut up the ubiquitous corporate media. He does not deserve to be cheated and reviled again. We must keep up constant pressure for two years on our dems in Congress to fix this disastrous dichotomy of shame. The press should of course be free, but should not be owned by so few with so much power to do harm for the benefit of the few.

[stlsaxman]

132. Folks- Be sure to watch this interview- it airs THURSDAY Night!

Thursday November 30th according to www.charlierose.com


:popcorn: -"I'll be watching!" :popcorn: -"Me too!"

[dommyluc]

134. 2008 Democratic Ticket

I'm telling you, people:

Al Gore, President / Barack Obama, Vice-President

BULLETPROOF!!!!!

[orpupilofnature57]

138. Welcome to D.U. dommyluc

[Bridget Burke]

156. Well, Gore/Obama sounds like a fine ticket....

But the word "bulletproof" makes me a bit nervous. (I remember RFK.)

[crickets]

141. First president I ever cast a vote for - Jimmy Carter

I love that man. He's so right on this. Gore/Edwards, Gore/Clark -- heck, Gore and just about anyone (except Lieberman, of course) would get my vote in a second. I so want Al to run. I'm actually glad he's refusing to commit this early, but I do hope he decides to do so when the time comes.

Jimmy says, "I think he would do well in the South." I agree with his opinion on that too.

[orpupilofnature57]

161. Me too , proud moment with no regrets.

How about Gore/Bradley ?

[madmunchie]

163. Nix Gore/Edwards, Clark would be best, Obamma next, just about

anybody BUT Edwards and Lieberman

[MzNov]

142. ***yes!!!!***** nt

[KeepItReal]

144. Now *THAT'S* what I'm talkin about!! Thank You President Carter!

:yourock:

[RiverStone]

151. Gore/Obama or Gore/Clark = unbeatable in 08!!!