Surely he didn't mean this ! Rahm: Hillary's a Lesbian

[Laura PourMeADrink]

http://wonkette.com/


Rahm Emanuel: Ha Ha, Hillary's a Lesbian
The congressman from Illinois is making powerful friends wherever he goes. During a Monday night Daily Show appearance, the DCCC wizard was doing the usual “Bush sucks” routine and made a reference to FDR.

Jon Stewart: “So your plan is to find Franklin Delano Roosevelt, exhume him, reanimate him—”
Rahm Emanuel: “Well, Hillary’s already helping us with the Eleanor part—”
Jon Stewart: “Settle down ….”

Ha, get it? Because Eleanor Roosevelt was the lesbian wife of a popular Democrat president. Comedy gold! You did great in the midterms, Rahm, but we won’t be surprised when you come down with a sudden case of Polonium 210 poisoning.

Rahm Emanuel calls Hillary a dyke (sort of)
Rep. Rahm Emanuel (video)

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[Marnieworld]

1. Hasn't Hillary been very vocal in idolizing Eleanor Roosevelt?

She was an impressive person. Perhaps he meant it as a compliment? I'd have to see it to know of course. They can have each other it's Gore/Edwards for me! :patriot:

[bryant69]

2. Well there were also reports of

Hillary trying to channel Elenor weren't there? I mean not serious reports, but isn't that what this joke is based on? Rather than Hillary being a dyke?

At any rate, that's one hell of a jump in my mind.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. yes - you got it - that's what he probably meant.

[Richard Steele]

22. Yup. CLEARLY, that's what he was referring to. OP jumped to wrong conclusion.

[demnan]

3. I don't think it was ever proven

that Eleanor Roosevelt was a lesbian. If you have proof of this please post it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. well, I don't care if she was or wasn't or if Hillary is or isn't. I just think it is irresponsible

and homophobic for wonkette to push this out there.

[lapfog_1]

7. And even if she was

the second part is that the "hidden" message in Rahm's joke was the state of Eleanor's sexual orientation and not some other aspect of Eleanor's life.

[Hav]

18. .

Why do you think that? I didn't check out the video, just the quotes. In my opinion, it is totally exaggerated to draw such a conclusion from this quote.
Still today, Eleanor Roosevelt is really respected. Even if she were a lesbian, the comparison was with a respectable historical figure. Whether she was a lesbian or not is irrelevant.

[lapfog_1]

29. That's my point.

I DIDN'T get that from Rahm's joke. That whatever he was trying to say about Hillary in reference to Eleanor was the supposed sexual orientation of either lady. The original post leaped to some major assumptions that are simply not there in the text (I haven't watched the video).

My point was that EVEN IF Eleanor was bi-sexual or lesbian, why would it be that THIS aspect of her life is what Rahm was refering to when drawing the comparison. Especially considering that Eleanor had so many different aspects to her life.

I would have taken it to mean that Hillary is a bit of a maverick and wasn't content to play the dutiful hostess as a First Lady, something she definitely shares with Eleanor.

[Hav]

44. .

Ah sorry then. I totally misunderstood your post.

[meegbear]

5. I didn't get that impression about Hillary from what he said ...

and I'm gay.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. I saw the interview and I didn't get that impression at all. Eleanor Roosevelt

was like Hillary, an activist First Lady. Elanor later became an incredible human rights advocate and one of the most admired women of her time. I have heard reports that she was gay but this is an incredible leap of the imagination that Rahm was calling Hillary a lesbian.

[William769]

9. A bullshit story.

God I thought only Repukes kept the fires going on this type of story. :eyes:

[Buzz Clik]

14. No kidding. It's clear that knuckledraggers aren't restricted to the right.

[Arkansas Granny]

10. To take that remark and infer that Rahm was calling Hillary a

lesbian is quite a stretch, IMO. I would have never interpreted the remark that way.

[ProfessorGAC]

11. I Concur

That's a leap of logic of epic proportions.
The Professor

[blm]

20. Same here - I am no Hillary fan, but Wonkette is MANUFACTURING a controversy

here by twisting Rahm's meaning to fit THEIR storyline.

There is enough truth out there to debate but some prefer CREATING new lies instead - as long as it's against Democrats.

I hope no Dem comes out and scolds Rahm because Wonkette twisted his words.

[valerief]

12. I thought everyone figured Hillary was a lesbian. I didn't think it

was a big deal for Democrats.

[karynnj]

26. There is nothing other than RW nonsense to support that

she and Bill Clinton have a long marriage. It seemed more like a RW thing to assume any strong woman had to gay. There is no place for anyone - with no support - making comments like this. (It's also insidious as Emanuel denying he meant that or Hillary denying it just atracts more attention.)

[valerief]

39. I've known several marriages where at least one of the spouses

was gay. It's very common.

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. So you assume one of the partners in a marriage is gay?

Strange way of thinking you have. Wouldn't, say, some evidence help instead?

[valerief]

49. I just assume the rumors may be true or may not be true. I allow for

the possibility. I doubt I will ever know the answer. And I really don't care.

[muriel_volestrangler]

50. I'm glad you don't care

but that is actually quite a bit different from your original "I thought everyone figured Hillary was a lesbian", isn't it? And while we may not care, it might matter to Bill.

[valerief]

55. Or it might not matter to him. Sorry. Guess I'm being too honest for

a political board. I keep forgetting Repubtrolls read this.

[Buzz Clik]

13. What bullshit.

If you hate Emanuel, fine. You don't need to make things up.

[gkhouston]

16. in fairness, the OP didn't make it up. This crap spewed forth from

Wonkette, who is on minute 15. I wonder who paid her to make it up. Probably some relation of the idiot who thinks the peace sign is a Satanic symbol. :eyes:

[blogslut]

30. Wonkette is satire/humor

Sometimes the jokes work. Sometimes they don't.

PS: The current Wonkette(s) are male.

[gkhouston]

33. I didn't realize the current Wonkette(s) are male; thanks.

Tells you how long it's been since I took any interest in Wonkette.

[Buzz Clik]

56. If the posting was intentional humor, then this was the wrong forum.

For the uninitiated, the article sounded sincere -- stupid, but sincere.

A little warning might ease the shock on those of us unfamiliar with Wonkette.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. he meant THESBIAN.

as in practiced in stagecraft.

[BlueManDude]

17. Ohh Wonkette, she's so edgy. Gimme a break.

[LynneSin]

19. So the fact that I admire Eleanor Roosevelt that makes me a Lesbian

That's just fucked up comparison - it makes no sense except in the world of Limbaugh/Coulter/Hannity followers!

[ProfessorGAC]

21. Or Conclusion Jumpers Like Wonkette

And she's no L/C/H follower. She just took a monumental leap of logic by making that connection.
The Professor

[LynneSin]

24. Maybe we can give them a "Jump to Conclusion" mat

[undeterred]

23. this is the first time I've heard Eleanor Roosevelt was a lesbian

Did I miss something?

[LynneSin]

25. She was a strong independant intelligent woman....

...don't you know that just screams "LESBIAN!!"

[undeterred]

38. and if a man takes a mistress, clearly its his wifes fault

subtext: Bill Clinton needed Monica for the things Hillary wouldn't do.

[Norquist Nemesis]

35. Same here.

I've heard/seen some nasty comments alluding to it based on her looks, but no real evidence of it. :shrug:

Too bad Wonkette chose to make that leap about Hillary, IMO. Although, on the up side, all of the RW will run to Bill Clinton's side offering comfort and compassion. LOL!

[NYCGirl]

41. Yes, since some love letters were released from Roosevelt to Lorena Hickock

Here's a book of them:

http://www.amazon.com/Empty-Without-You-Intimate-Roosevelt/dp/0306809982/sr=8-4/qid=1164815855/ref=sr_1_4/002-4763989-5681634?ie=UTF8&s=books

No proof, though, on whether there was a physical relationship.

[Clark2008]

27. Ummm... most people don't associate Eleanor Roosevelt

and lesbianism.

Honestly. They don't.

Therefore, I don't think Rahm was making a joke about Hillary being a lesbian.

Touchy, touchy!

[kentuck]

28. People hear what they want to hear sometimes....

Rahm is a big supporter of Hillary. I never read that into his comments at all.

[warrens]

31. I think he only meant the high profile

Eleanor was the first first lady to be involved in politics and she had a national reputation apart from her husband's.

[NYCGirl]

32. Wonkette is not meant to be SERIOUS, people!

And they say Liberals have no sense of humor.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. Hillary = Eleanor? Like Coors = Champagne.

[shadowknows69]

36. Na, don't believe it

if it were true the Big Dog would have found himself a bisexual interns and had a three way.B-)

Yes, I'm bad but I can't help myself. Just a huge fan of the whole "menage aux trois" thing.

[wisteria]

37. This is a far reach. I immediately thought of a Bill Clinton resurrection

with the mention of Hillary helping with the Elenore part.

[AngryOldDem]

40. The more I think about this...

...the more I really don't care what her sexual orientation is, and I'm getting tired of such attributes being used to define the measure of a person, because nine times out of ten, the conntation is negative, or "shocking," or some other reaction that adds nothing to what the person is, or stands for. So what if she is, so what if she isn't?

And I, too, thought that Eleanor Roosevelt was a role model for Hilary's social activism, and nothing more.

I really wish American political discourse would grow up and get away from juvenile speculations about private issues such as one's sexuality.

Just my two cents.

[Bigmack]

42. I don't believe Eleanor Roosevelt...

was a lesbian, and wonkette may just be trying to stir the pot a bit. I don't have a link, but over the years, I read enough on ER to feel reasonably sure.

After Franklin was caught in the affair with Lucy Mercer, Eleanor stopped having sex with him. It really seems that ER was pretty close to asexual. He letters to Lorena (Hick) Hickok seem pretty gushy and lovey, but ER was a Victorian, and their letters tended to be over the top. ER's whole family says she was gushy with everybody.

I believe she was - in her later life - a strong woman with no man. For some people that equals lesbian.

There are some indications that she had relationships with men after Franklin died, but they seem more friendly than sexual.

I heard Emanuel's comment and took it to mean that there a lot of parallels between Hilary and Eleanor.

[oasis]

43. Eleanor was not a stay at home, cookie baking First Lady. Neither was Hill.

That's what he meant.

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. Wouldn't this be in reference to Hillary and her Spiritual advisor? NOT Eleanor being a Lesbian?

I mean, as far as what Rahm said on TDS.


Jean Houston, interviewed at the Newark Airport by CNN, said that Mrs. Clinton did indeed have imaginary conversations with Eleanor Roosevelt at Houston's suggestion. (153K AIFF or WAV sound)

"(But) that was maybe four minutes out of hours and hours of conversation," she said.


In his new book "The Choice," Woodward wrote that Houston, co-director of the Foundation of Mind Research, urged Mrs. Clinton to write "It Takes a Village," and assisted extensively in rewrites. Houston said that she did help edit the book, but that Mrs. Clinton "wrote that book entirely."

Houston said she made the suggestion to hold the imaginary conversations with Mrs. Roosevelt and others "to focus her busy mind on issues that surrounded the book." (255K AIFF or WAV sound)

"That was it," Houston said. "No spooks. No seances. Nothing. She's the least psychic person I've known, and I'm a close second. ... I don't have a psychic bone in my body." (204K AIFF or WAV sound)

Mrs. Clinton wrote about her imaginary conversations with Eleanor Roosevelt in her June 10 syndicated column. She said she talked to Roosevelt about the role of a first lady.

"She usually responds by telling me to buck up, or at least to grow skin as thick as a rhinoceros," Mrs. Clinton wrote. <snip>

http://www.cnn.com/US/9606/24/clinton.houston/

[PVnRT]

46. WOW. That's a stretch worthy of Reed Richards

*ham-fisted comic reference*

[RandomKoolzip]

47. Dumbest. Thread. Ever.

:eyes:

[Cleita]

51. So what if she is?

This is not any problem I have with Hillary. It's her DLC affiliations that bother me. Rahm is surely not believing that this is going to make him popular with Democrats?

[WI_DEM]

52. Why does anybody assume that he was alluding to her being a lesbian?

Hillary was a very activist first lady as was Eleanor.

[NYCGirl]

53. He probably meant no such thing, but Wonkette made a joke, and everyone's

panties are in a wad.

[David Zephyr]

54. Rahm was having fun with Hillary's own joking about "channeling" Eleanor.

This had nothing to do with homosexuality at all.

Hillary has joked (humor)that she channels Eleanor. Hence:

Jon Stewart: “So your plan is to find Franklin Delano Roosevelt, exhume him, reanimate him—”
Rahm Emanuel: “Well, Hillary’s already helping us with the Eleanor part—”
Jon Stewart: “Settle down ….”

[Doctor_J]

57. Um,...when 1st lady, Hillary used to talk to Eleanor

that's what he meant. Some people around here are as stupid as freepers.

[jeanarrett]

59. Yeah, that's what I got out of it too.

That Hillary was channeling Eleanor for them. No other meaning even occurred to me.

[Beaverhausen]

58. Rahm is gay, right?

Not that I care or anything but I was wondering. I got that impression from him on TDS.

and by the way, this thread is dumb. so why am I posting in it?

[NYCGirl]

60. That'll come as a surprise to his wife and three kids. NT

[Beaverhausen]

61. Oh ok- I wasn't sure

He just came across as gay to me on that show. I hadn't seen him actually speak before...I looked for a wedding ring and couldn't see one.

My gaydar is way off!

[oasis]

62. "Polonium 210 poisoning" of Emanuel. Insert Vince Foster joke here.

:sarcasm::puke: