Freeper talk of civil war - Bush/Cheney plan to keep power?

[Target_For_Exterm]

I read the disturbing threads this morning about Freepers defying the American popular vote and responding with violence. Could this be the plot many have anticipated the criminals in the White House would resort to to keep power past 2008?

OK, I have my :tinfoilhat: on.

Bush has certainly been cooking up a lot of anger between 'pukes and Dems by saying Dems are terrorists. Could he have had an ulterior motive for this? I've never seen a President/Vice President so in love with dictatorial powers, and so lost to the foundation on which our country was built. So, it makes me wonder what they might still have up their sleeve...

[warrens]

1. Let the asswipes secede

We in the civilized states will just wave buh-bye and offer a prisoner exchange. We get Nawlins and Austin, though.

[DrDan]

2. and Savannah

don't forget Savannah

[WorseBeforeBetter]

23. And Carrboro, Chapel Hill, Durham (on a good day) and Asheville. (n/t)

[MadHound]

4. If America degenerates into a Civil War, it would be a disaster

It wouldn't be the neat and tidy north vs south conflict of a hundred and forty five years ago. It would be much more like the way Missouri experienced that civil war, neighbor vs neighbor, armed conflict all the time, no clear delineation of boundries or sides. Chaos, in other words, anarchy and chaos.

I really hope that it doesn't come to that, it would be a disaster for this nation. However seeing how the hate rhetoric on the right has become increasingly framed as a conflict between enemies rather than political parties, I don't think that we can avoid it.

[Horse with no Name]

27. Don't forget that Dallas

ousted all of their Republican judges in favor of Democrats and turned their county blue too.
Progress is being made down here.
But...let me adjust my tinfoil hat here...I think voting machines in Texas are rigged and nobody thinks anything about it so they EXPECT Republicans to win.
But I talked to wayyyyy too many people...Dems and Reps alike...who all said they weren't voting for Republicans, yet they won.:shrug:
What everyone needs to remember...is that there are probably some secrets buried in Austin that the Reps don't want you to see.
It all started there, remember?

[cali]

3. I read that puerile little thread too

and anyone who takes it seriously is almost as silly as they. It means less than nothing, and so do the kooks that populate freeperville.

[originalpckelly]

5. We should never forget that a couple of these rightwing nutjobs...

killed 168 Americans in Oklahoma City.

They can be dangerous, even if there aren't many of them.

[Target_For_Exterm]

8. And don't forget the abortion clinic bombings and the killing

of doctors who perform abortions.

[cali]

10. Yeah, and the unabormber was a left wing nutjob

And there's a a small percentage of digruntled idiots from both political extremes that commit violent acts. C'mon, most freepers are about as dangerous as most DUers. You may not like to admit that, but it's most likely accurate.

[originalpckelly]

16. He was not a leftist:

"Beyond Leftism

Primitivists do not see themselves as part of the Left (see also post-left anarchy). Rather they view the socialist and liberal orientations as bankrupt. Primitivists argue that the Left has proven itself to be a monumental failure in its objectives. The Left, according to primitivists, is a general term and can roughly describe all socialist leanings (from social democrats and liberals to Maoists and Stalinists) which wish to re-socialize “the masses” into a more “progressive” agenda, often using coercive and manipulative approaches in order to create a false “unity” or the creation of political parties. While primitivists understand that the methods or extremes in implementation may differ, the overall push is seen as the same: the institution of a collectivized and monolithic world-view based on morality."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism#Beyond_Leftism

Now ELF and ALF and "weather underground" are/were all leftist terrorist organizations.

[EFerrari]

18. Not really because the right attracts authoritarians who have

less of a problem pushing other people around. That's the topic of John Dean's last book, btw.

So, no, we don't produce the same number of violent, extremist terrorists as the right wing nutbowl does. And we certainly don't try to get them elected President.

[TankLV]

26. You know, I used to respect your viewpoints here,

but I've come to just pity and laugh at you with every new post...

Unibomber "left wing" - only in YOUR mind...

[cali]

31. I can't say I care what you think of me, but I am curious.

Do you really believe that there aren't people from the left who have committed violence? And yes, I think there's a good argument to make that Kazinsky was influenced by "left" ideas". It's ridiculous to throw a label llke neoluddite or primitivist out there without examining the provenance of those philosophies.

My point is simple. People who are left wing have committed violence. People on the right wing have committed violence. Anyone who doesn't recognize this; and that it's largely a function of human nature more than ideology, has had their brains so addled by partisanship that nothing they say on the topic is worth consideration. It merely reflects blindness. And moral blindness at that.

[Finder]

32. Authoritarian types come in right and left flavors...n/t

[Finder]

9. I guess I am silly...

but I do agree most of the freeps are harmless kooks.

[maveric]

6. I've had this sick feeling that another attack may come before congress...

swears in the dems with bu$h/Cheney invoking The patriot Act/martial law, thus nullifying the last election. :tinfoilhat:
They can do it and it wouldn't surprise me if they did so to maintain power.

[ProfessorGAC]

11. Tinfoil Is On A Little Too Tight

Actually, they can't do it in enough time. And, another attack would be a clear demonstration of the failure of their policies. The scrupulous Repubs in Congress (yeah, there are some, of course) would never sit still for it. I doubt even the military would.
The Professor

[YOY]

7. They're all talk

They're all little cowards anyways. Otherwise they would be on the front lines in Iraq and putting their money where their mouths are.

They don't want to lose what little economic stronghold/job security they have by acting like their brother-in-arms Chad Constanza.

They might threaten some lone pacifist on a desert highway, but are will consign to huffing and puffing and listening to Rush Limbaugh despite all evidence showing that they were dead wrong about EVERYTHING!

[Finder]

13. I agree...

and the groups that want to fight are not freep types that support the present admin...they are RWingers though.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Adolescent Rambo wannabees itching to shoot off guns.

And, refight the original civil war that they still can't accept that they lost.

Civil war is about as likely here as a revolution. Which is in the same realm of likelihood as Donald Trump giving all his money to charity or Bush reading "War and Peace" in the original Russian.

[EFerrari]

20. I'd be surprised if these geniuses had the sense to reset circuit breakers

in a power outage.

:rofl:

[n2doc]

14. let them try

the few percent that actually might not faint at the sight of a gun pointed at them would be blown away by the Americans who will fight for their country.

[Gold Metal Flake]

15. Who will they get to fight it for them?

Cowardly little shits. Won't even fight the current war they love so much. Any organized civil war action will be put down in a day. We win, we keep everything.

So, sure, bring it you yellow bellied liars. Bring it on. We will simply use you to change out the contents of Gitmo and get back to saving the country. Liberals have a great tradition of killing conservatives in war. The Revolution, the war of 1812, volunarily fighting in Spain, killing Nazis in Europe. We can do it again.

[Binka]

24. Who Is That In Your Avatar?

Damn Cute!

[Gold Metal Flake]

33. That's Thom hartmann.

www.thomhartmann.com

[xchrom]

17. they're too cowardly to fight in iraq, and so like their hero

timothy mcveigh they'll blow up innocent people in some ''evil'' federal building.

[roamer65]

30. Isn't this the truth!!

[Bassic]

19. Do you have a link to those threads?

Edit: Nevermind.

[Ikonoklast]

21. If that is really the case

Advocating open armed insurrection against the government is a violation of federal law and should be reported to Homeland Security.

I bet they are scrubbing those posts as fast as they can.

Treason is still a hanging offense, last I heard.

[Virginia Dare]

22. All bluff and no bluster....

do you really expect them to come out from behind their keyboards and back up their words? :hide:

[Lowell]

25. They are a bunch of pimple butted

4Fs. Who would they get to do their fighting for them. They are the minority now and the lunatic fringe of RWers wouldn't even be tolerated by their own party. Bring em on! Keyboard commandos.

[AngryOldDem]

28. They're speculating based on a new book....

Mentioned here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2824318

Because the plot sounded halfway interesting, I looked it up on my local library's Website. Publisher's Weekly more or less trashed it as an implausible right-wing polemic, but when you're desperate to hold on to your power, anything sounds good, I guess.

[SoCalDem]

29. I maintained early in their "administration" , that they did NOT

plan on easily giving all these "newly-found" powers over to a democratic administration.

That said, our constitution and our national resolve would probably stop them from hanging on, but it seemed very eerie to think that they would be spending so much time changing things to "just they way they like them", only to cheerfully hand those powers over to ...say...Hilary:)

Of course I don;t think it was intended to be the case that Bush would stay..just that once the "voting thing" was perfected, they would have the pyramid firmly in place, and would only need to change the top piece every 8 years, as the democrats faded into the sunset for good..

Let's hope that recent events have wised people up.

[Chomp]

34. Yet again giving too much credit

to a bunch of chancers and charlatans.

They are fininshed people. Finished. Not late comebacks, no coups d'etat, no secret plans. They have played their hand, lost and disgraced themselves.

Game over.





Edit to completely alter the meaning of my post and to remove a couple of racist and myseogynist comments I'd left in