It's cold and raining in N. Texas and the local news joints

[Subdivisions]

are dutifully freaking out over the possibility of up to maybe a couple of inches of snow in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex as we brace ourselves against the "bitter" cold arctic blast enveloping us.

The local Wal-Marts and home products warehouses scrambled for spigot covers and other winterizing products as area residents wait for school and institutional closing announcements on the local news channels. School children across the Metroplex anticipate an unexpected day off of school as they rise this morning and run to the windows in the hopes of seeing the 1/2 inch of snow/ice it would take to shut the entire joint down.

Speaking of the morning news, camera crews are dutifully positioned on bridges and overpasses pontificating the as-yet-unfrozen world around us as they incite panic among the people about the morning rush hour and persuade more timid residents that it's just too dangerous to venture out.

Meanwhile, in my former place of residence in Star Valley, Wyoming, residents will wake this morning to 30 inches of freshly fallen snow, dutifully pull on there workboots and head out into the daily sub-freezing temperatures to join the steady train of traffic as they drive through the snow in Snake River Canyon on their way to retail, office and construction jobs in Jackson, slowing down not one bit. Granted, Jackson is not Dallas, but Denver seems to do OK under a couple of feet of snow.

I always used to laugh about how crazy North Texans get when word of a cold snap accompanied by precipitation is enough to give the area a coronary. Now that I've seen how folks living in real winter conditions continue on as if it were a spring day, my laughter at Metroplexians is replaced by a shaking of my head in wonderment.

[TechBear_Seattle]

1. I remember when Tucson would get a dusting of snow...

A slight trace -- not even enough to scrape up a snowball, much less a snowman -- was enough to bring the city to a grinding halt. Meanwhile, during the latest round of snow and sub-freezing temperatures here in Seattle, life pretty much went on as usual.

It all depends on what you're use to. :hi:

[Subdivisions]

5. It does depend on what you are used to. Before I moved to

western Wyoming from North Texas 3 years ago, I was one of the area residents that would freak to some degree depending on the severity of the winter weather event. I had no frame of reference for what was truly tolerable with regard to winter conditions. I thought a 1/2 of snow meant don't even get out of bed.

Then, I accepted a job in Jackson. The first time I saw a real winter storm there, it dumped nearly three feet of snow. My boss, who was also my ride to Jackson to work, said that wouldn't slow us down one bit. I got up, got dressed, pulled on my boots, grabbed my lunch and waited for him to pull up outside the house. Then, off to Jackson we went, through the near-blizzard conditions. My job was to install heating duct systems in the crawl space under new homes and the fact that feet of snowfall were falling at the foot of the Grand Tetons only meant that there were two more feet of snow on the ground when you come out of the crawl space for lunch time.

Now that I'm back in Texas, the way people panic here is just laughable.

[Skittles]

9. please spare me that "what you are used to" schtick

IT HAPPENS HERE EVERY F***ING YEAR and every year they panic like it has never happened before

[acmejack]

44. snarl!

have some coffee. please.

[Skittles]

63. I drink my coffee at midnight to 0400, thanks

:o

[Avalux]

2. Be careful out there.

I'm in San Antonio, and although we aren't expecting freezing precipitation, the temp has dropped 20 degrees in the past 30 minutes or so - rainy and terribly windy. Rest assured though - if the temp drops to freezing with any sort of rain, this town will go into a panic and become paralyzed. I shake my head at it too cause I grew up in PA and have lived in ice and snow. :hi:

[napi21]

24. I too was raised in PA and moved to San Antonio.

When I lived there, there was another group in SA. Those with the BIG 4x4 trucks who thought NOTHING could stop them on the snow! They're right...BUT...they failed to think about stopping! I lived at the top of 281, just on the other side of 1604, and many of these nuts would get arrested for driving around the barriers and flying down 281, even though the city had CLOSED the hwy.

Of course they are the same nuts who also thought they could drive through the "puddle" after a hard rain, and have to be rescued after being swept away by the current!

There were a lot of amu7sing times while I lived there, as long as I managed to stay out of the way.

[acmejack]

3. I am from Austin and lived for nine years in Syracuse NY.

I learned it was about SNOW CONTROL! Syracuse had it, they could cope with 3 feet of new snow Austin was screwed with a half inch. Add in the people in Syracuse had some idea of how to navigate upon that white stuff and well...

[alarimer]

23. Yes, they do not have the machinery to deal with it

A couple of years ago it snowed here (Corpus Christi) on Christmas. I was not here unfortunately. I was in New York, where there was NO snow. Most of the snow had melted by mid-morning. I am sure because it was Christmas there was not the panic there might have been if it had been a workday or something. Still, someone published a book full of photographs that they still sell in the grocery store. Kind of neat to see actually.

[Gman]

4. Ha! You should have been in San Antonio in 1985

when we had 13" of snow! That was a circus to remember. Fortunately it happened on a weekend.

[Subdivisions]

7. Actually, I was sitting on the front porch last nite when it was still

70 degrees outside and I was telling the kids about that very snowstorm!

The joint was paralyzed.

[RebelOne]

6. When there is even a hint of snow here in the Atlanta metro area,

everyone goes into a complete panic. The grocery store shelves are emptied of bread and milk. You would think we were going to be snowed in for weeks. The only time that happened was during the blizzard of 1993 and the snow only stayed around for a few days.

[LiberalEsto]

31. Same in Washington DC nt

[Skittles]

8. oh f***ing tell me about it

after 30 years it no longer suprises me how f***ing lame Texans are with a little bit of inclement weather - they really f***ing lose it don't they?

[ClintonTyree]

10. Any southern city is the same way......

the cities come to a standstill when 2 inches of snow fall, they call it an emergency. Around here we call that "Spring". ;)

[maine_raptor]

11. I live in Maine

And get one hell of a chuckle every winter when you southern folks panic over a little frozen water. Thanks for the laugh.

[Kindigger]

12. I hate winter weather reports

Doom and gloom, school closings, bread and milk raids etc.

I'm always slightly offended that weather reporters infer that there's something wrong with people who like sleet, ice, and snow. I moved to Alaska for the weather. I lived in the mountains in Colorado for the weather. I visited Niagra Falls in December one year, and laughed as the spray turned to sleet, and pelted me.

I think kids are weenies when they close the schools here in Iowa for 2" of snow. They never closed the schools when I was a kid, and we walked to school. None of this "Mommy deliver us to the door" crap.

I just scraped 3" of ice off my car windows, and delivered 60 newspapers.

Call me :crazy:

[Subdivisions]

13. You're not crazy at all! I had a dim view of winter weather

before I moved to Wyoming. Now I love it. And, I know how to deal with it.

Edited to add: If you love snow and winter, you would love western Wyoming. The winter scenes around Jackson and the Grand Tetons and Yellowstone are not to be missed! Absolutely breathtakingly beautiful. I'm sure Alaska offered as much. I've always wanted to live in Alaska...

[Kindigger]

15. Awww thank you

I actually took the paper route just so I could be out alone, in the dark, crisp, quiet morning; the time of day before the morans who will NEVER learn to drive are out and about. :scared:

[Subdivisions]

16. You're a true winter warrior! And the chances are those who

receive a paper on your route have no idea how much their paper deliverer loves the solo challenge to nature!

You rock!

[bmbmd]

20. If you don't like Texas and Texans

feel free to move back to Wyoming.

[Name removed]

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[bmbmd]

26. My point exactly.

Put a rose on Matthew's grave for me while you are there.

[Subdivisions]

27. Who is Matthew and why don't you give some kind of hint as

to what your fucking problem with me is?

[bmbmd]

29. No problem.

My loved ones commute in the northern metroplex, with many hundred thousand others, on freeways that can be coated with ice. On any given morning, more people are on North Central Expressway and LBJ than live in the whole state of Wyoming. The glaze ice is treacherous, the commutes are horrendous, and the toll in manpower is staggering. So, forgive me if I fret a little over bad weather.
Ever since my cousin was killed by an "expert driver" from the upper midwest in a glaze ice storm a few years ago, I don't see the humor in it anymore. It is an extremely dangerous situation.

As for experience-I lived in Glasgow Montana for a period of time in the eighties. I've done my share of driving in snow and ice, and I hate every minute of it. Like most native Texans, I prefer sunshine and balmy breezes. Nice website, by the way.

ps-Matthew Sheperd

[Subdivisions]

35. Why didn't you just say that to start with instead of coming off as

a complete ass?

Your point is actually quite valid and, had you dispensed with the rudeness in the first place, this discussion would not have had to devolve as it has. I'm willing to chill if you are.

Thanks for the kind words about the site. It's a project of a very good friend of mine and we have big hopes for it.

[Ms. Clio]

77. that is such an excellent point about more drivers on our roads than in the whole state of WY

Freezing rain is dangerous no matter where it happens, and even more so when people here just don't deal with that kind of precipitation on a regular basis -- why does that make them idiots or whatever, because they just don't have the experience precisely because of where they live?

[ronnie624]

62. Hello, fellow Texan!

It seems a number of posters to this thread got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

I've often wondered if there were any DUers living in this area.

[bmbmd]

71. My goodness-a Denisonian!!!!

The schools are letting out at 1:30.

[ronnie624]

72. Yes.

I've been listening to KMAD all morning. Temperatures are expected to drop into the 20s this afternoon, so bridges and overpasses will be quite icy.

I've never had any problem driving in ice and snow, but school officials must consider the risks. Many believe such school closings are an over-reaction, but most drivers in this area have little or no experience driving in such weather, and many are overconfident, posing a threat to other drivers.

I'm off to work. Have a good evening. :hi:

[marmar]

14. Even here in Michigan, no stranger at all to winter,.......

the first snow of the season seems to cause widespread panic. All of a sudden, Michiganians act like they've never driven on the stuff before. But after the first one, we're fine - back to zipping up and down I-75 at 85 mph. :)

[Kindigger]

17. 85 mph?

That sounds like Colorado. They never slow down for conditions. I remember I-25 at rush hour trying to keep from getting run over. I used to see cars flat as a pancake that had slid under semi trucks. I remember following a reticulated bus. The back end slid, and started taking out all the poles along the road.

There are times to slow down (if you want to live :)

[zbdent]

18. Watch all the freepturds in SUVs who can't figure out how to drive

in weather that is less than 5 percent of what SUVs are really designed for ...

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. They should come with wheels on the roof, too.

Because so many wind up upside down in the median strip whenever it gets slippery.

[rainbow4321]

50. At least once a winter the Dallas paper has a pic of an SUV

with it's shiny side DOWN and it's wheels UP..in a ditch. Usually on I-35. Fine if they want to hurt/kill themselves, that is their perogative. But leave the REST of us out of the equation, please. We'll be the ones going 15-20 mph in the snowed/iced over slow lane as the SUV's blow our doors off--only for them to end up wrapped around the guard rail a mile up the road...with any luck not taking the rest of us with them.

[zbdent]

64. The problem with people in SUVs killing themselves is that

SUVs are designed to take out the hittee with minimal damage to the driver of the SUV ...

And those driving them seem to take great pleasure in riding on the asses of the gas-economical cars ...

[LanternWaste]

19. I'm the first to admit that we do tend to overreact

This Metroplexian is sitting just sat down at his desk at the office. But I'm the first to admit that we do tend to overreact to any mild wintery precipitation. If there is a half inch ofsnow this afternoon as forcast, I suspect to see snow chains on cars.

It's not really the snow that keeps us off the road, it's the ice-- and that's a big difference.

[Beausoleil]

40. it's the ice

This is true. In North Central Texas, you are more likely to see ice than snow. Up north, not as much ice, more snow. When I was in Alaska, most people didn't know what an ice storm was.

[beyurslf]

22. They closed ALL the schools here--including in Wichita today because

we are FORECASTED to have 3-5 inches of snow this afternoon. My kids are sleeping in and my butt is headed to work!

[seabeyond]

25. ya... welll... my kids are enjoying unexpected day off and

we got more than an inch or two... maybe four or five. i got up to have the news tell me school closed and back to bed. but then i see there really isnt THAT much and they better not do this everytime. i hear ya, ad it is funny. we are in panhandle and generaly get more than dallas. but... it is fun, a winter wonderland for the kids to play. and we didnt get hardly anything last year... and and and the kids work so hard in school and do so well, what is in a day off. tryin to get dad to play hookie and he wont

[TheCowsCameHome]

30. Quick. Everybody run right out and buy an SUV

Then go flip it over to show us how great of a driver you are in the white stuff.

[hedgehog]

32. I think it's because everyone believes the propaganda.

It never snows below the Mason-Dixon, therefore the municipalities have no need to invest in winter road maintenance. Every snow storm is considered a freak event rather than a hint to purchase some snow removal equipment. On the plus side, Southerners don't have to worry about the salt eating their cars.

[seabeyond]

33. we had a 20 inch dump about 4, 5 years ago. we were in NM driving

home to texas. NM roads were great. we made it thru with no problems at all. as soon as we got to texas border, boom... the roads were ice, bad and hard to drive. we putted about 60 miles until all traffic came to a stop. we were about 30 miles out of our town and all cars were stuck on highway. we were able to take back roads to our house. but people stayed on the roads that night. yes, in this area they are not great at clearing the roads. reno nevada was way better at it and appears NM too.

[hedgehog]

36. Is it possible that Texas doesn't have the money for road maintenance?

Those low taxes may have something to do with it.

[Liberal In Texas]

39. It's kind of hard to justify buying tons of equipment that would be needed to

keep the roads as clear and as quickly as they do up north in this really spread out metro area. The equipment might only be used once or twice a year. There are trucks and plows, but not nearly in the numbers cities that deal with this on a regular basis in the winter.

[seabeyond]

42. snow in the panhandle is common and not so unusual

last year was unusual for the LACK of snow. and we have I40 that is used and needed by many travelers. i know new mexico is more poor and they do a better job from my experience. it is in the stuff used from what i understand., not sure about the reasoning

[Liberal In Texas]

43. The DFW area is much more densly populated. There are far more

highways, I-30, I-20, I-45, I-35E and I-35W, I-635, I-820, and US-75. Most of these are 6 to 8 lanes with many "flying" overpasses that freeze up easily. A check of this mornings traffic map shows numerous accidents with 2 semi trucks overturned, one of them completely blocking 35E southbound. And it hasn't even frozen yet, it's just wet.

[seabeyond]

45. i understand that. though i dont see the point. our taxes pay for this

to be addressed and we are all aware of the dangers with ice and it is not that uncommon for all these areas to get a handful of days with ice or snow thru the winter months. but it is particualrly not unusual for snow up here. os where is the issue. the state can deal with it like other states have to deal with it

[Liberal In Texas]

55. I'm really not sure what you're on about.

The panhandle gets worse weather in the winter than the metroplex. There is more equipment per/mile available because of that to deal with it.

To buy and store the same amount of equipment here would be a huge waste of money for the amount it would be used. Because there are fewer highways and streets in the panhandle, lets say 100 trucks could keep everything in good order and clear. Here it would take thousands and the people to operate them. It's just not justifiable.

Last season was so mild I don't believe we had even one day that the equipment would have been needed. (I'm going by my sometimes faulty memory here about last season, so if someone wants to correct this, have at it.)

It's not only the state (TXDOT) that deals with clearing roads, it's the county and city as well. If the city of Dallas spent tons on snow removal equipment that would be mostly kept in storage, we'd never get the badly needed street repairs done. Plus, even if you have the equipment, you have to hire people to operate it.

[seabeyond]

57. i stated from experience it seems NM takes care of roads better than texas

that is all.... then you talked about the street in dallas, the congestion, ice... ect... all i am saying is i have not found texas in this area does an adequate job with the roads. that is all. now.... i am going ot enjoy this wonderful weather. i lived in reno, have driven ice and snow often. i go slow. feel safe and not afraid. enjoy your dallas? day too

happy holidays

[Liberal In Texas]

59. I will indeed. No job today. You enjoy too! n/t

[seabeyond]

41. low taxes? no money? lol lol. we have a surplus and

really high property tax that is going up up up and beyond. lol

i dont know

[Subdivisions]

54. There is no reason that the cities around the area cannot

have the equipment they need to clear snow and ice from the roads even if the equipment only comes out on the streets a couple of times each winter. As for putting snow/ice removal equipment on the areas arteries, Denver and vicinity seem to have learned how to live with it. St. Louis, Chicago, Kansas City and 20-30 other major metropolitan areas across the northern tier of the country seem to have no trouble operating under winter weather conditions.

Texas cities, especially DFW, could operate just as efficiently, if not more so, if they would just put the program in place.

[ceile]

60. Actually, TX has immaculate roads.

We spend a lot on our roads-they're a source of pride. Not too much on schools-but, hey, the road to the school is perfect. :sarcasm:

[Subdivisions]

37. That is the key to the problem with inclement winter weather in

North Texas, if not all of Texas. No real equipment to clear the roads with.

[Beausoleil]

34. Been there

I know what you mean about the Metroplex. I grew up there.
I also spent six years in Alaska, so I can compare. Even Anchorage residents have to learn winter driving all over again every October. I would see SUVs upside down on the side of the Glenn and Seward highways every fall. Of course most Alaskans use studded tires and most wait until after the first snowfall to get them put on. But everyone looks forward to winter, and of course, don't panic when the temp gets to 32F.
I am now in San Antonio which gets a lot less winter weather than Dallas, but the freak-out factor is much the same. It is funny seeing people in parkas when it's 59 degrees outside.

[Horse with no Name]

38. The difference is

That Wyoming has snow plows and people experienced in driving in the weather. People have invested in tire chains.
This is something that happens once every couple of years here.
To even try to equate it with somewhere that does this on a daily basis is like comparing apples to oranges.

[NeedleCast]

46. Don't think this is an exclusive problem to Texas

I live in the DC Metro area, and while it's not Wyoming, it's certainly further north than Texas. We get a cold snap and snow threatens (and if more than a few inches is threatened, you can bet the sheeple will be reving up their cars to clean out the local grocery stores) and there is a moderate level of panic because, while one person is generaly pretty sane, a mob of people is a great epicenter for the formation of panic.

[hedgehog]

47. The real question is not the cost of having plows used once or twice

a year; but the cost of not having them. How much does it cost for businesses to be forced to shut down without notice once or twice a year? My Dad in Buffalo always laughs because the people in Denver are always asking him about the snow, but Denver is shut down several times a winter while Buffalo has shut down once or twice in the last ten years.

[rainbow4321]

48. Another N Texan here..

HAH! I knew I rely on N TX DUers to have a post about this....

Oh, Lordy..if I hear the news people say one more time "It's Ok, just get thru today and on Friday we'll be back up to the 50's". Channel 8 seems to have taken GMA **off the air** all morning so they can report about our wet-not-yet-icy roads.
How soon before we see the cars stranded up on High Five? WHAT part of ice and overpasses do they not get???? I'm convinced these are the same fools who drive by the "high water, don't enter" signs in the spring and then have rescue workers put THEIR lives in danger going in to rescue them.
My favorite: the annual news segment of "Stay tuned, next up we'll tell you how to dress warm for the upcoming cold front". Every year..along with the holding up of a huge outdoor thermometer cuz, ya know, just telling us it's 32 degrees isn't enough, we need visual props! The damn thing gets shown twice a year. When it's 110 in August and when it's 32 degrees or colder in December/January.

Stay safe, Texas DUers!!

[Subdivisions]

49. My OP was as much about the absurdity of the local media

at times like this as it was about how we panic and get scared at inclement winter weather.

I'm staying safe here in Cleburne! I'm staying home today!

[seabeyond]

53. ah and the fun, i have a hasting and a few little store less than a mile away

kids are out of school. will be easy and slow driving. i am looking for some christmas shopping, a sandwich and later snowmen and angels..... i love this season

[seabeyond]

51. wind chill we were like 10 below. had the weather guy late last

night tell us to bundle up and not go out in a lite jacket this morning. wouldnt cut it. i hear ya. lol lol. funny. lost the net and cable too last night. but then we got inches of snow, dont know how much. what..... 5,6???

hey, never got the northern texas being dallas when the panhandle is more north than yawl

it is fun though..... i dont know why anyone is being snotty. we are having a blast up here. then again, i dont have to go out and about. but when i did work, and single.... i know people would help everyone out and a real community spirit.

[MorningGlow]

52. Hey north Texas, upstate New York called

It wants its weather and wants to give yours back. It's supposed to be almost 70 degrees here today.

:wtf:

Seriously, I haaate it when the newsfolks start screaming about "possible" serious weather. You think we'd have learned after the non-blizzard of '77--the Chicken Littles screamed about several feet of snow coming down, businesses and schools were closed preemptively, everyone was in a panic, and...pffft--a couple of flakes. But no, they still do it. Aigh! Aigh! The sky might fall! Or not. But it COULD! Aigh!!

Granted, we should be forewarned if there's a possibility of severe weather, but doing a liveshot in front of a non-iced-over road, which MIGHT get icy sometime in the future, is sheer stupidity.

On edit: Danged, punctuation,.

[seabeyond]

56. picture of our dec 2000, 20" dump of snow. MY FAVORITE

we are ready for another one

[Bunny]

58. Well, in all fairness to Texans, driving on ice is a pain in the ass.

People *should* worry about it, especially if Texas doesn't have the equipment or supplies needed to quickly deal with ice.

I'm PA born and raised, and while I don't especially like driving in snow, I'll take that any day over ice. All the four-wheel drive, SUV power in the world won't do squat for you on ice.

[hedgehog]

61. Can I add some more comments from a Buffalo native?

1. When my husband and I moved to Lancaster, Ohio, we got up and went to work on a day when everything was shut down for the "blizzard". We thought it had just snowed.

2. Lake effect snow is confined to 20-40 miles from the Great Lakes. You can not have lake effect in Kansas despite what I heard on the weather channel a few years ago.

3. A blizzard means winds over 35MPH, wind chill below -13 deg F (according to Environment Canada) and visibility under 1/4 a mile. Anything less is a snow storm.

4. A white out means you can not see past the hood of your car. An extreme whiteout means you can not see through the windows.

5. My Dad loves to tell the story of when the Weather Channel came to Buffalo to cover one of our big storms. Everywhere the corespondent went, local businessmen showed up with gifts like donuts and coffee in order to take advantage of the free advertising.

[mtnester]

65. Lancaster, OH is my near neck O' the woods

Let me throw out a name for ya you may recognize....


Gary DeMastry


Still in jail....still have happy feet cause of that!

[hedgehog]

67. We left Lancaster back in 1984.

My daughter drove through this summer. There have been a lot of changes since then, although the people who bought our house haven't touched a thing! The house hasn't been painted and the bushes haven't been trimmed since we sold it. I miss the fresh chicken from the farm outside town. Is it still there?

[mtnester]

76. No, where it stood will soon be a Wal Mart

I was 24 in 1984, and was born and riased in Fairfield County.

[hedgehog]

79. AHHHH!!!! The horror!

I can remember when they used to advertise for chicken catchers. You had to be tall as I remember.

[Gold Metal Flake]

66. What about the puddles?!

Do they have live cameras pointed at puddles? You can NOT present a story about rain without showing rain drops hitting the surface of a puddle! If you don't show a puddle the people will not understand!

[w8liftinglady]

68. they literally spent 60 minutes straight talking about "maybes"

I live south of dallas,and for one solid hour,all the local news talked about was what might happen later today.no news of anything else in the nation or the world.sheesh.

[LibertyLover]

69. I grew up in northern New Jersey

We got snow during the winter and I have to admit that 8 or more inches usually got us off from school, but once I started working in New York City, snow days were a thing of the past. I do remember once or twice being allowed to leave work early because of a snowstorm, but we were expected to come in the next day. Sometimes it wasn't an easy commute, but you did it.

Then I moved to Annapolis, MD and started working in Washington. A few weeks after I started a storm dumped 4 or 5 inches of snow on the ground. I never considered not going in to work for that amount of snow. The feds and the DC government had decided not to close (for a wonder) but were on a liberal leave policy. The Metro was all but empty and I overheard one guy grousing to his companions about how it was unfair to be forced to travel in all that snow. DC is always surprised when it snows - for some reason the city's inhabitants labor under the impression that since it is located in the south, it should be warm and sunny all year round.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

70. Just be sure you shake your head a safe distance from their moving cars

I've learned since I've lived in Texas to get off the roads if there is ANY form of frozen precipitation. The people here were simply never taught how to drive in the stuff and they panic and slam on the brakes at the first sign of trouble.

My daughter is up there near you and she has snow on the ground. She even built a snowman and sent me a pic of the pitiful little thing. I warned her yesterday to stock up on food and keep her sweet little tail off the roads today. Crazy, no driving fools will kill you if you don't.

[seabeyond]

74. take a look at my snowman. post 56. i love that snowman.

snow too dry today. tomorrow will be good snowman building snow.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

78. Now that is a snowman!

You're family (I'm assuming) are also lovely.

Congrats on both! :toast:

[BlackVelvet04]

73. Virginia Beach, VA is the same and I used to think

how stupid it was when the city halted over a half inch of snow and then realized they weren't so stupid after all. An extra day off from work sitting in front of the fire sipping hot chocolate and reading a good book.

I think it's a great thing to close down businesses at the FIRST sign of a snow cloud.

[crispini]

75. I enjoy it.

But it really is hard to drive on ice. People have wicked bad accidents in this stuff. It really is best to just stay home.