Pelosi and Reid have to Resign ASAP...

[KoKo]

Their managing of the House and Senate has gone astray. If they were CEO's they would be FIRED. They haven't pumped their stock up enough that most consumers consider it a good/prudent investment.

When that happens it's time to Boot the CEO's and CHANGE the Board of Directors. They just aren't performing...they can't get a message out that resonates with their Consumers...and folks are leaving their stock and buying their competitors because they are offering someting that just tastes better.

[dogman]

1. If they were CEOs they could fire people.

Who is Lieberman, Nelson, and the others going to follow and support? The problem is, as Obama pointed out, we need to grow their membership so they can get the job done in spite of some of the dead weight they are burdened with.

[donco6]

7. But I think they ARE the dead weight.

Maybe not quite as far gone as Holy Joe, but without my glasses I can't see much difference.

[Jane Austin]

17. Then go find your glasses.

There's a huge difference.

[donco6]

23. Like . . . ?

What? Care to share some specifics? Or is that all you got.

[thereismore]

2. Agreed. nt

[McCamy Taylor]

3. Disagree. They are both high profile and good at attacking the GOP.

You can not expect one person to do more than this. They each need subordinates to do coordination jobs.

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[Coastie for Truth]

11. Seriously

A behind the Scenes Lyndon Johnson or David Lawrence or Richard J. Daley or Danny Rostenkowski, or a few more John Dingells - or a Dem Tom DeLay.

It's called Kick Butt and Take Names.

[donco6]

4. I agree with you.

They are obviously not able to manage their position at the top of the DNC. They have to go. I won't contribute another dime until they're gone. I don't care if they stay in the Senate (not my Senators anyway), but they obviously cannot lead.

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[Ikonoklast]

24. Not very convincing

You do not have a clue as to how effective both have been. Those that think Harry Reid didn't do his job are flat-out wrong. And the Puke talking point about Reid and Abramoff money? So not true.




Use spell check, it's free. Have a nice stay.

[oasis]

28. "Reid is tainted in the Abramoff scandal"???. Please explain.

[Coastie for Truth]

6. Actually - what "tastes better"

1. Ban on abortions - 100% - no phony medical testimony about "saving the life of the mother."

2. Mandatory recitation of the Pleadge of Allegiance in The Schools. With "In GOD We Trust."

3. Display the Flag and the Ten Commandments in every school room in the land.

4. Reading Ten Verses from the King James Bible every morning. - Not Saints Cyril and Methodius - not Douay-Rheims - not Hertz. But King James.

5. Teach Intelligent Design in schools.

6. Enforce the Second Amendment - require each and every able bodied head of household to own a Fire arm.

7. Get rid of the 4th Amendment and Trust the President.

8. No breed specific laws on dogs - you want a Pit Bull or Rottweiler - have one. Heck, have two.

9. No special rights for GLBT's.

10. Fire leftie teachers.

11. Put all members of the ACLU - American Communist Lawyers Union - in jail.

12. Restore the Confederate Flag to its place of honor.

13. Cut the number of appeals in death sentence cases.

14. Truth in sentencing.

15. Castrate (surgically) sex offenders.

16. Pump Alaska dry - then drill off California.

17. Stay in Iraq - until we pump the place dry.

18. Make High School Junior ROTC mandatory - especially "Special Ops"

19. Stop all Welfare, Unemployment Comp, Medicaid, Section VIII.

20. No Social Security COLA.

That's just a start.

:sarcasm:


Read Thomas Franks' What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America.

[jsamuel]

8. Will all you people please STOP WITH THE RESIGN DEMS THREADS!!!

[paulk]

10. stop?

it's what they live for...

another chance to piss and moan and whine

[Coastie for Truth]

12. I love to mock it.

I am a Marxist - that's Groucho, Harpo, Chico, Gummo, and Zeppo. Leave Karlo at home.

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[Seen the light]

16. NEVER

Dean is next! Then Randi! Then Skinner! Then jsamuel!

:P

[donco6]

26. No. Not when it's warranted.

Look, I don't want them to resign their SEATS - Jeez, we don't have enough of them as it is. But they cannot lead. They cannot remain at the head of the party in the DNC. In THAT role, they suck. We need leaders who can actually take on a fight, and it's not Reid and Pelosi.

[sandnsea]

13. Not you maybe

Seems to me we were celebrating quite a few wins not too long ago. Seems to me we were pointing to Salazar and Schweitzer as evidence that the only problem was Kerry screwing up his campaign. Nobody wanted to listen to the fact that Salazar and Schweitzer ran a campaign that would make most liberals throw up. Nobody wants to look past screeching for a win in order to see what the person will do when they get into office. And nobody wants to compromise on any blessed thing to have progress over regression.

People are going to have face reality or live in this godforesaken mess the Republicans are creating for a damned long time.

[KoKo]

15. We sure "bargained with the Devil" when we supported Salazar.......

and that's sad...

[sandnsea]

21. Oh yes

Another Wayne Allard would have been infinitely better. :eyes:

When we make our case better, then these Democrats won't have to deal with hedging their bets to appease the muddled middle.

[donco6]

25. In this case, Pete Coors. Ugh. eom

[paulk]

48. you don't have a clue

We had to make a tough choice here in Colorado.

If you can come up with a way to get a progressive elected in a state wide race in CO

please enlighten us

until then - we here in Colorado will live with our decisions

knowing full well the alternatives

[Cleita]

14. I know you mean well, but we really need to attack the

opposition before we attack our own. It's Bush/Cheney and their administration that we should be concentrating on to get them to resign first, impeached, indicted or whatever it takes to make them loosen their death grip on our country.

Once we get them out of the way, then maybe it's time to clean our own house of useless ceos and employees so we don't have to go through this again.

[KittyWampus]

I suppot Reid 100% and am sick of this infantile incapacity to acknowledge

what he has accomplished considering what he's got to work with.

And Gee, Koko, what an original thread you've started here.

[donco6]

32. Care to list an accomplishment or two?

I can't think of too many successes to celebrate under Reid's tenure. But if you can change my mind, I'm keeping it open. But it's REALLY HARD.

[Ksec]

18. They have a REALLY tough assignment

I wouldnt want that job the way it is in Congress. I give them much respect for handling it gracefully. I know we want tougher leaders, but Im not real sure a tougher leader could get anything done in that Congress today. The repukes have tied both of our hands behind our backs and muzzled us . Thats a tough assignment, for anyone.

[donco6]

30. Oh, boo fucking hoo.

Not to be too snotty, but that sounds a lot like "this bein' Prezdent is HARD WORK."

Yes they have a tough row to hoe, but that's what being in the minority is about. And the fact is, Bush's numbers absolutely SUCK, and our leaders aren't taking the slightest advantage of it. They should be using some of this political capital that Bush has lost and pushing the envelope a LOT further. Take a frickin' chance! Risk something! Oh, but no, we have to be GRACEFUL. Pfaw.

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[Wordie]

19. So much "friendly fire." Not how we should treat those who stood w/ us.

:sigh:

[Rose Siding]

20. Totally, totally disagree

Nancy has shown remarkable courage. She ran around the House garnering a respectable number of votes against the IRW when such opposition was scant among elected officials.

When Murtha announced his plan she got skewered because she stepped back to let his more conservative voice carry farther. She set up his press op, told reporters who pressed her that she was "giving him his day", then supported him once she knew that her reputation as being more liberal wouldn't hurt his efforts.

As for Reid, when asked who they trust to clean up ethics problems, or who they'll vote for, dems lead repubs in polls with double digits. Reid is the right figure - he's faced corruption before and his reputation is unassailable.

Besides, we JUST learned how -JUST organized well enough- to make them hear us, to pressure them effectively. digby says it well:

The last time we had a serious outpouring from the grassroots was the Iraq War resolution. My Senator DiFi commented at thetime that she had never seen anything like the depth of passion coming from her constituents. But she voted for the war anyway. So did Bayh, Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Kerry and Reid. The entire leadership of the party. Every one of them went the other way this time. I know that some of you are cynical about these people (and ,well, they are politicans, so don't get all Claud Rains about it) but that means something. Every one of those people were running in one way or another in 2002 and they went the other way. The tide is shifting.

http://www.digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_01_29_digbysblog_archive.html#113867908339927928

We weren't this involved before. That's on us. Harry and Nancy didn't design the political system that only listened to big money, and now that we're embracing a better way -with the help of visionaries like Dean, Kucinich, McDermott, Inslee, and others, with a growing infrastructure comprised of blog communities, MoveOn, DFA, True Majority et al, and in the spirit of Paul Wellstone- the politicians who ARE responding to us have earned my support.

[KoKo]

22. I've watched and waited...and I like them both..but they aren't EFFECTIVE"

in getting into the hearts and minds of the voters or the media. (I know the Media is bought and sold...the voters are being preyed upon by voting machines which miscalculate their votes...and that we Dems are besieged on all sides.)

Still ...if you look at the Stock of the Drug Companies and the Repugs FAB..they are UP compared to the Stock of Pelosi and Reid.

Sorry...the numbers for PERFORMANCE for those two just DON'T ADD UP!

Maybe at this point they are "Penny Stocks or Corporate Junk Bonds" and it's worth an investment...but this Investor...just has seen too little performance of the Management to be assured that they can do a "turn around" with this Democratic Stock.

Why should I invest in this? I just don't get the Company Prospectus that can convince me to Invest. :shrug:

I'm being very Pragmatic here...but it's what folks out there are "into" watching "MAD MONEY" and CNBC thinking that it will make them wealthy.

[Rose Siding]

27. Ok. Pragmatically, who would you suggest replace them?

It would need to be someone that a majority of the caucus would approve, someone at least as responsive as those two, someone whose ambitions run no higher than those positions, and, of course someone whose records are at least as progressive (and clean) as theirs. And it would need to be someone with real prospects for doing a better job. Bear in mind - and this is significant- that the minority numbers we still hold in both Houses.

Who would you prefer, specifically?

[KoKo]

34. OFGS! why haven't those in the House & Senate that we ELECTED/Jockeyed

into POSITION for leadership..

Look at the Tom DeLay Fiasco...now the Repugs are pushing "contenders" for DeLay on C-Span! Those "back benchers" who want DeLay's position came forward and C-Span was happy to air them!

What's going on with our "hapless and deluded Dems" who keep sending Biden and Obama to speak for us on the Pundit shows. Where's the OOOOMPH?

Should I not as a Dem worry about this? Is this what you are saying? After ALL THIS TIME...and "Rose" you being a DU MOD and all that.

When are we going to have TRUE FIGHTERS for DEM VALUES? :shrug:

[Rose Siding]

36. Who sent Biden and Obama to speak for us?

I'm pretty sure that Democrats don't restrict the things other Democrats can say. At least I hope not. That would be some conspiracy. -Just as I would never try to dictate what you should worry about.

I just asked a question. If your answer is that someone else should do it, that's ok too. I don't think the Republican model is a fair comparison. Remember, no one came forward to challenge DeLay until he stepped down.

I'm not a mod. No worries :)

[KoKo]

40. Who DID SEND OBAMA & Biden to Speak for US? I don't know

who do you think sent them? :shrug:

[WildEyedLiberal]

35. Practically speaking, Durbin would be a much better leader than Reid

For the following reasons:

1) He is a solid, outspoken liberal. He will not dilute the party message with his own personal conservatism. I do not feel that a pro-life Mormon from a conservative state who voted for the abominable bankruptcy bill is an effective mouthpiece for my party.

2) He is from a relatively safe seat in a reliably blue state. He is free to be an outspoken, ballbusting liberal without worrying about appeasing the constant bogeyman of the "red state voter."

3) He fulfills your ambition requirement; I do not believe Durbin is interested in moving beyond the Senate.

My wish that he replace Reid is not a spur-of-the-moment hissy fit over the events of yesterday, although yesterday cemented my poor opinion of Reid and perfectly crystallized why I want him out of his leadership role. We need a feisty blue state liberal to lead our caucus, because they are the only ones who consistently represent Democratic values.

Edit: I'm making this its own post. :D

[Rose Siding]

37. Are you sure he'd be better? He apologized recently, under pressure

when it wasn't warranted, imo.

I don't hold that against him, it's just that there is no one perfect and I think Harry's done a good job.

[WildEyedLiberal]

38. I don't think he should have apologized, either

But we don't know what Reid would do if put in a similar situation. Durbin is extremely likeable, very sharp, and definitely one of the top ten liberals in the Senate; just the kind of guy we need as caucus leader IMO.

[Jane Austin]

49. It's clear that you shouldn't "invest" in these leaders.

So perhaps you should go find someone else to "invest" in.

Meanwhile, a lot of us will do what we can to encourage the fighters and try to elect some better people for Reid and Pelosi to work with.

Impatient, repetitive negativism just seems to play right into right-wing hands. They must be positively giddy if they are reading these threads today.






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[benny05]

29. CEO's are not Fired very easily

And neither will Pelsi or Reid...

but they deserve a :spank:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. Reid out. But, Pelosi is doing a pretty good job and is a progressive.

She stuck her neck out and opposed the war. Reid is a waste of space and voted for the slaughter.

[BuyingThyme]

33. I agree. I frankly don't know why they were put in lead roles

in the first place.

No big deal; it's just that I don't see them as leaders.

[KoKo]

41. Thats the BIG QUESTION...WHY.........I can't find it on Google...so what

the heck do I know? I just know they are "frittering away OLD Democratic Values, here and they aren't worth "investing in."

That was the point of my post. THEY HAVE NOT PERFORMED FOR THEIR STOCK VALUE!!!

Sorry for being so Pragmatic that angered folks...but IF YOU HAVE NOT PERFORMED FOR YOUR INVESTORS...then in TODAY's WORLD...Who Are You? and WHY should we listen to you? :shrug:

[Clarkie1]

39. Is it "loony toones post" day? n/t

[KoKo]

42. No! It's Investment VALUE Post TODAY!

Just so you know. :D

[robcon]

43. Fire Reid and Pelosi when we're going to gain seats this fall?

I don't get it.

[KoKo]

44. After SOU...do you think I'm barking up wrong tree? n/t

[mmonk]

46. Reid has done some good fighting but

disappeared in the filibuster cause (this SC candidate does not represent all Americans and is extreme). Pelosi has a worse situation numbers wise and the way the House is conducted by the crooks in charge, so I give her an A-. I say keep Pelosi. I think its ok to give Reid another chance since he shut down the Senate and knows how to manuever. I give him a C.

[KoKo]

47. My problem with Reid is that he looks like he's "UP" for a Fight then he

apologizes or screws things up...one way or another. The Whore Press can tar him with "Flip/Flop" because it's what he does.

Pelosi is just to weak for me. I should love her as a Female...but she's the wrong woman for the wrong time, IMHO...

:shrug: I really stick to my post. I think they just aren't right for these times. Sadly....

[WI_DEM]

50. No.

Reid has done a fantastic job in the Senate, better than Daschle ever did in all the years he had been there, and Pelosi is a big improvement over Gep.