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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:36 AM
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Voter recall of the President??
Is it possible? (With paper ballots of course)

Venezuela did it, but Chavez survived with 70% of the vote in his favor.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/16/1411222

A voter recall of the President has never happened in the US, but then, we have never had such a dangerous and destructive bull-goose loony at the helm before. Is a Presidential recall at all possible? With his approval rating at such a low level, Junior would lose his crown for sure.

Why wait for impeachment? Recall now!

:evilgrin:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:43 AM
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1. A Constitutional possibility?
Can we have some info here, please?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:53 AM
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2. Didn't we kinda just do that 3 weeks ago?
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:03 AM
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4. Not really
Nov 7 was a regular mid-term election. We didn't vote to recall the President/Vice President. A Recall is a special vote, but I can't find much on the legalities of it.

I think our country is in a state of emergency and has been for a while and it is clear by the polls that the majority of voters have lost their confidence in the Bush/Cheney "leadership". Gray Davis lost the confidence of the California voters and they removed him from office with a special election. -That- is what I'm talking about.

Wow, just imagine if the people had the power to legally remove them from office..NOW
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:07 AM
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6. We DO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2839012

He is INSANE, and/or no longer able to fullfill the duties of his office, there is a Constitutional Redress for that..

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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:12 AM
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7. Your post is what got me thinking about this, symbolman
Amendment XXV.. How is it implimented? Wouldn't Junior have to submit to a psychiatric examination? Somehow I don't see THAT happening....
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 10:55 AM
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16. is there a doctor brave enough to call it as he sees it
alive anywhere on this planet????uhhh, I ain't thinkin' so...
wb
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:55 AM
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3. "Recall", along with "Initiative", "Referendum" and "Unicameral legislator",
was part of the Populist doctrine of the late 19th Century. It influenced several western states including California (think Schwartzenegger!). But there is NOTHING in federal law to permit it.

pnorman
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:04 AM
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5. Is there anything in Federal Law to prohibit it? n/t
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:14 AM
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8. It's not a part of the current Constitution of Government. Since each state is self governing...
you'd have to create the authority for 50 states--each with its own self constituted elections system--to create a system for a recall. Basically, you're talking Constitutional Amendment to get this thing set up.
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GreenZoneLT Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:15 AM
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9. Article II of the U.S. Constitution
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 04:15 AM by GreenZoneLT
Section I of Article II lays out how the president is elected, and how he can be removed from office. There is no provision for voter recall.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html#section1
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:23 AM
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10. Well, not specifically
but what about this?

(In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or INABILITY to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or INABILITY both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by Amendments XX and XXV.)

( caps are mine)
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:18 AM
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15. I'll leave that to the DU experts in Constitutional law,
but unless it's on the books, I sincerely doubt it could get going. A short while back, I was listening to that Chavez election being discussed on Air America. A waggish question was raised: "But did Hugo have a brother named Jeb, as governor of one of Venezuela's states?" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

pnorman
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:54 AM
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11. The Constitution sets the processes for federal government
And the Constitution makes no allowances for recalling or otherwise removing a President from office, except through impeachment.

Any such change would require first amending the Constitution.
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:58 AM
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12. There is already an Amendment - XXV of Article II
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 04:59 AM by solara
I am not sure how it is implimented though
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 06:11 AM
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13. Amendment XXV is about succession, not removing a president from office
Text of the 25th Amendment

You will notice that there is no mention whatsoever about how to remove a sitting President.
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 08:15 AM
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14. Ok, ok...I guess I will have to give up my little pipe dream
You are correct.. I am just so damned frustrated and angry everytime I see Junior in the news. He does NOT speak for me, dammit, and I am ashamed of the words I hear him saying.

I am afraid Congress will not prove as wily as I have imagined. I want to believe that they are planning to 'investigate' Junior and his minions. I want to believe that Junior's crimes will be exposed and that America will finally see the TRUTH and magnitude of what he and his fellow criminals have done; that the 30% or 40% of Americans who still see Junior and his cabal as righteous and noble will finally ..FINALLY see the truth and demand impeachment, indictment and prison.

I am impatient to see them ALL go down.

Ah well...a dream is still a dream - he hasn't found a way to abuse or destroy that part of humanity.... yet.

Thanks for the info. :banghead:
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