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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 08:55 AM
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Spector Says WH Will DEFY Democrats On Spying & Interrogation Issues
W.House will defy Democrats on security: Republican
Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:25pm ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration is unlikely to allow the incoming Democratic majority in Congress to learn details about its domestic spying program and interrogation policy, a Republican senator said on Thursday.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, who has criticized the Bush White House's secrecy about national security issues, said he would welcome detailed congressional oversight of the National Security Agency's warrantless eavesdropping.

"It would be ideal," said Specter, whose committee was blocked by the administration this year from conducting a full review of the program, despite an outcry among some lawmakers that the spying was illegal.

"We have to really get into the details as to what the program is, as to how many people they are tapping, what they're finding out," he told an American Bar Association conference on national security.

But he said he had "grave reservations" that Congress would end up getting the information from the administration.

more at:
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2006-12-01T093535Z_01_N30170295_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-SPYING-SPECTER.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsArt-L3-Politics+NewsNews-4
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 08:57 AM
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1. This CRIMINAL Administration must be removed because they
will not relent, they will not cooperate, they will not oblige the will of the American people. Period.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 08:57 AM
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2. If so, removal from office will be the only option congress has.
Arrogant pricks.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:05 AM
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3. I know the Dems now have subpoena power, but what is the
penalty if the WH refuses to comply? I know what the penalty is if""I" refuse to comply with a subpoena, but somehow, I can't see the police carting Shrub & Cheney off to jail if THEY just say no.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:13 AM
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4. We could be watching a "Perfect Storm" building here.
Let's say Bush rejects the Iran Study Group's recommendations, and stubbornly "stays the course".

Then refuses to honor a Congressional subpoena.

And now, with questions beings raised about his mental stability and fitness to run the country;

Could a group of adults step in and remove him from office via the 25th Amendment?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:35 AM
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6. I'm a little confused. bush** can say that he accepts their
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 09:37 AM by acmavm
recommendations. It won't cost him a damn thing because they don't want troop withdrawal to start til 2008.

I believe that this was a face saving technique thrown in for bush**s benefit (the 2008 date).

He'll be long gone before that day rolls around.

edit: I should mention that I know the OP was talking about spying and interrogations. It's just all part and parcel of the duplicitous scheming way that they handle all policies and issues that they're (the bush** admin.) is faced with.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:41 AM
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7. Not if one of the recommendation is talking with Iran and Syria
and that he REFUSES to do.

I'm aware of the context of kpete's post. My comment is how things like this have a way of coming together.

As for face-saving; I'll bet dollars to donuts that that was how the concept of the ISG was sold to Bush.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:47 AM
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9. Oh no they will offer to talk: with conditions.
Iran has to castrate its nuclear programs and Syria will have to perform some equally impossible task as preconditions for any discussions.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:45 AM
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8. "rejects the Iran Study Group's recommendations"? Why?
They seem to recommending staying the course for a few more years of war. Why reject that? The ISG is just a beard for Bush to keep on keeping on.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:22 AM
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5. That's fine. Congress can also cut off funding for White House operations.
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 09:51 AM by leveymg
And, selectively withhold funding going to NSA private contractors involved in domestic surveillance. And, pass a law declassifying all domestic spying programs that aren't supported by FISA warrants.

They'll deliver the goods, if Congress seriously threatens to cut the purse strings. Simply put, the lights could go out at 1600 Penn Ave, if Congress was determined to do so.

I'll deal with the first proposition here. The White House budget is almost as closely held a secret as CIA funding, because the Executive Office of the President (EOP) largely overlaps over federal agencies.

Nonetheless, salaries for the the White House staff seem to be the most vulnerable, and there are a number of offices whose annual funding could be cut by Congree. The full roster of EOP Administrative units is as follows:

Office of the Chief of Staff (EOP, The White House Office)

Office of the Staff Secretary (EOP, The White House Office)

White House Counsel's Office (EOP, The White House Office)

Advance Office (EOP, The White House Office)

Office of Scheduling (EOP, The White House Office)

Oval Office Operations (EOP, The White House Office)

Office of Presidential Correspondence (EOP, The White House Office)

Office of Management and Administration (EOP, The White House Office)

White House Military Office (EOP, The White House Office)

Executive Residence Usher's Office (EOP, The White House Office)

Executive Clerk (EOP, The White House Office)

Office of the First Lady (EOP, The White House Office)

White House Curator (EOP, The White House Office)

The article explains it a bit further: http://www.americanpresident.org/action/administration_whitehouse/

Administration of the White House
Consulting Editor: John P. Burke, University of Vermont

SNIP

Precise estimates as to the size and budget of the EOP are difficult to come by. Many people who work on the staff are “detailed” from other federal departments and agencies, and budgetary expenses are often charged elsewhere (e.g. Defense Department for the White House Military Office). Ballpark estimates indicate some 2,000 to 2,500 persons serve in EOP staff positions with policy-making responsibilities, with a budget of $300 to $400 million (President George W. Bush's budget request for Fiscal Year 2005 was for $341 million in support of 1,850 personnel). According to Bradley H. Patterson Jr., who factors in only the most central EOP units but also includes such things as White House maintenance, official entertainment, and Secret Service protection, the numbers may even be higher: 5,915 in personnel and a budget of $730,500,000 for FY 2001.*

Although still a subunit of the EOP, the White House Office remains the centerpiece of the presidential staff system. In many ways it is closest to the President both in physical proximity (its top aides occupy most of the offices in the West Wing) and in its impact on the day-to-day operations, deliberations, policy agendas, and public communications of a presidency. During the transition to office and continuing throughout an administration, the President enjoys a great deal of discretion in terms of how the White House Office is organized. For example, Presidents must decide whether they will have a chief of staff, an office created under President Dwight D. Eisenhower but absent from the John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, and, for a time, Jimmy Carter staff systems.

Presidents are free to determine what suboffices and functions will be represented in the staff structure. Most White Houses have some set of staffs handling national security, domestic, and economic policy, but their organizations can vary significantly. Most recent White Houses have offices that deal with the cabinet, congressional affairs, political affairs, intergovernmental affairs, and liaison with the public and a variety of constituency groups. There are usually large operations devoted to the media: a press office, a communications office, other media liaison, and the speechwriting staff. There are offices handling scheduling and preparations for when the President physically leaves the White House (the Advance Office). The President also has a personal staff. As well, there is a large White House personnel office that oversees presidential appointments throughout the government.

Yet nothing is set in stone. Some units may be combined and new positions may be created, such as Karl Rove's role as "senior adviser" to President George W. Bush.


Under the Constitution, Congress holds "the power of the purse", and that's a power it could weild if push comes to shove. The White House should be mindful of that constitutional perogative given exclusively to the legislative branch next time it talks about defiance of Congressional subpoenas.

The first provision in Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution provides that "the Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States."

______________________________
2006. Mark G. Levey
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:48 AM
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10. Just pass the gavel, Arlen.
I don't think Sen. Leahy will be as accomodating to the WH as you were.
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