Bush, legacy, LBJ

[hamletsophelia]

i have come to this conclusion, that Bush will leave office disgraced, a la another long deceased Texan LBJ? anyone agree??

[Nite Owl]

1. Worse than LBJ

at least he actually did some good things, * has nothing to claim credit for, nothing.

[Tanuki]

2. LBJ's legacy included passing the Civil Rights Act,

Voting Rights Act, Medicare, and so many other elements of his visionary Great Society. There is no comparison.

[hamletsophelia]

5. there's one problem though 58 000+ america's youth killed in vietnam, he escalated it...

it does really take away from all those accomplishments you mentioned.

[Botany]

3. For all his flaws .... LBJ had many when he knew Veitnam was bad

.... and that there was no way for us to win and that the dying was
not going to change a damn thing it crushed him.



Famous picture of the night he knew that Vietnam was huge mistake ....
bush does not have any feeling like this.

[hamletsophelia]

7. If he knew it was unwinnable why didn't he pull out? ( BUSH TOO U CAN SAY)

[Botany]

10. He dropped out of the race in 68, stopped the bombing of the North,

and started full time negotiations with the Communists. The
treaty they offered in 1968/1969 was the same one Nixon
signed in 1973. Only a lot more people had died by then.

After LBJ left the White House in 1969 his health
broke down quickly he started smoking again and
was dead by 1973.

LBJ had many flaws and helped get us bogged down in
Vietnam but the war killed him too.

[hamletsophelia]

11. You are too sympathetic to that man...

[Botany]

15. What part of he had many flaws and helped bog us down in Vietnam

is sympathetic? The man made some mistakes
of tragic size but by 1967 he realized Vietnam was
a bottomless pit and wanted out.

LBJ really did feel the pain of Vietnam going badly unlike bush
who as far as I can tell has no feelings.

As a white man from the south he was able to push a lot
harder on civil rights & voting rights.

LBJ was a dirty deal making back room hard drinking good old
boy of both greatness and real problems.

BTW head start, the school lunch program, and Justice Thurgood Marshall
came from him too.

[mitchtv]

4. Chimpy in the same sentence with LBJ?

that's just wrong

[hamletsophelia]

6. how

[hamletsophelia]

8. VOTING RIGHT S ACT WAS KENNEDY

LBJ SHOVED IT THROUGH CONGRESS AND GOT CREDIT BUT IT WAS KENNEDY WHO INITIATED IT

[mitchtv]

13. The question is

Could JFK have passed it? or was it LBJ's doing. I guess the later, considering Kennedys record of accomplishments

[nealmhughes]

14. W/O LBJ's stranglehold on the Senate, there was no way it could have passed

without him having done the legwork before the assumption of the Presidency. He still ruled the Senate when President.

[originalpckelly]

9. el BJ killed more American soldiers than Bush has...

and that's saying a lot.

[wuushew]

12. Combat medicine has improved a great deal since Nam

n/t

[hamletsophelia]

16. lbj put more troops into vietnam than there are in iraq today

[originalpckelly]

17. "Hey, hey el BJ how many boys did you kill today?"

[lyonn]

18. How many died after Nixon was sworn in?

Or, how many died in VN while LBJ was in office? Too many I know, but am curious about the numbers.

Bush has become a curse on the repub party and possibly they will turn on him before the Dems due to the direction he has taken his war, damn the torpedos, full speed ahead!