I personally would like Dean to come back and kick these peoples ass

[Rockstone]

In 08.

He is a master of his words. He has a go get 'em attitude.

I am tired of all these sure loser candidates being foisted on us by god knows whom.

Al Gore and Kerry are damaged goods. Hillary stands for nothing. Barak wouldn't make it.

I say either Dean or Jim Webb as the dark horse.

Have at it...

[BOSSHOG]

1. Dean-Webb, an interesting combination

Announce that General Clark will be SECDEF or SECSTATE before the election and you might have a winner.

I don't agree that Gore is damaged goods relative to another run for President. Despite the criminal campaign by bush in 00, Gore still got more votes while attempting to be civil and a gentleman. The one thing bush can be credited with is that republican candidates cannot be trusted and any fire will be fought with fire immediately.

[Rockstone]

3. Gore would have to focus on the past

and demonstrate how everything he said was right and everything Bush said was either a lie or wrong. I don't think he's willing to do that. He was swiftboated and unless he addresses that and turns it to his advantage, I don't think he can do it.

Webb and Dean have the machismo to appeal to the primitaves we have to entreat.

[wryter2000]

2. I think Dean'll kick some ass in '08

I've loved Dean from the first, and I'd love to have him President, but I don't think he can be our candidate. However, that doesn't mean he won't be around kicking ass in '08. He's a political celebrity in ways other party chairmen will never be. In part, that's because of the scream. It's also because he speaks his mind.

I think that as a non-candidate he's even freer to say what needs to be said. As disappointed as I was when he didn't win in '04, I think now he's right where he needs to be.

[havocmom]

4. Not enought geographic distance there- might wanna consider the west.

and Dean is SOOOO good as party chair.

Much as I would love him as President, he probably does us more good standing where he does. He can advance all the DEM candidates, and give lessons while he does it ;)

[Warpy]

5. The real dark horse would be Gov. Brian Schweitzer

but he may be too intelligent to want the job.

Gore could shake off that "damaged goods" label if he keeps up like he's been going since he got out of those DLC shackles. That's a very big "if."

Pretty much agreed about the rest, though I don't think a man who barely squeaked into office (Webb) will be quite ready in 2008.

As much as I'd like to see another Dean candidacy, I'd rather see him kick the conservatives out of the center of party politics.

[dansolo]

10. He is my dream candidate

If anyone could end up with an electoral landslide, it would be him. I think that his appeal would be universal, without having to rely on the "centrist" pandering of some of the other candidates.

[CrispyQ]

6. I don't agree about Gore being damaged goods, but I agree with

the rest of what you stated. I think as more & more people wake up to global warming, they will want a candidate who is dedicated to this cause. I must be feeling optomistic this morning to think people are ready to face this problem. ;)

I submit Schweitzer as a good candidate.

[Mabus]

7. If Gore is damaged goods, then why all the accolades?

Let's look at what's happened with Gore just this year. He's one of GQ's "Men of the Year," he's a contender for Time Magazine's "Person of the Year," he's got the third highest grossing documentary of all time, he's got a best-selling book and DVD too. He was also asked by Great Britain to be their climate change consultant. Not to mention he started out the year giving his fiery MLK speech.


Yep, we should all write Gore off as "damaged goods." No one is paying attention to him anymore. :sarcasm:

[Rockstone]

8. Maybe he isn't then

I was the one of the few pumping him all this time since 2000 and I just got tired of it.

There is a part of me who wants to just go with someone who has no baggage to feed the savages, hannitys and limbaughs.

But repubs are going to have a tough time winning no matter what. I guess they have to pretend to have a "reformer".

So really, the race is for the dem nomination.

But the last I remember Gore saying was that he would run if everyone demanded that he run.

It bothers me that he ran with LieberMannCoulter.

[Mabus]

9. I went across state lines to campaign for Gore

I first noticed Gore back in 1988. He seemed genuine but then he dropped out of the race. I really started believing in Gore after "Earth in the Balance" came out. Yeah, it was dense reading but it struck a chord with me. Anyway, when I got the chance to campaign for him as the head of the ticket I did it. I took a lot of shit after he lost in 2000. It felt like a lot of people turned them backs on him but I didn't. I've defended Gore. I felt like he got railroaded by the media during the election cycle, during the recount period and afterward but he never gave up. And deep down, neither have I.

I understand the no baggage thing. It would be nice if we could pull someone in that appealed to everyone, but it isn't going to happen. Look what the media did to Dean, Kucinich, Clark, Sharpton, Edwards, Mosely-Braun and Kerry. Hell, look what they did to Hart, Clinton, Condit and Dukakis. And that was just the corporate media. You know, if Jesus himself came back and ran as a Democrat the Savages, Hannitys and Limpballs would all be there piling on. They'd say things like, "well, he does seem to hang out with the guys a lot" and then they'd launch innuendos that he was gay. Or, they'd bring up the fact that Joseph wasn't really his father. "You know that his mother, Mary, got knocked up and got this guy to marry her." Finally, they'd say that "Jesus doesn't connect with the common man. He's always talking about peace. He's the type that would cut and run." Face it, no matter what, the corporate media and the RW stooges will fabricate something.

The difference with Gore is, they've said all they can say. Gore's out there changing people's minds. He's not the crazy "Mr. Ozone" that Bush I said he was. And, that whole "lock box" thing, it starting to sound a whole lot better to people now that the economic boom is over. People who see Gore now, whether it is on Leno or in AIT, see that he's the wooden man that he was depicted. His ideas don't sound so crazy now. It's like that tagline for "Men In Black", they're seeing him again, for the first time. A lot more people understand that the Gore they ridiculed is a statesman.

As for Lieberman, I didn't know he was going to turn out to be such an asshole. I knew my local politics and I knew some of the national leaders but I really didn't know that much about Lieberman back in 2000. I'm probably wrong, but I think Lieberman was adversely affected by 9/11. He heard the MSM pundits and others who said stupid things like, "Good thing Bush was in the WH after 9/11" and believed it. I think Lieberman lost it after 9/11 and decided to go the way the wind was blowing.

Anyway, I don't think is damaged goods. I see his popularity growing and his message is reaching more and more people.

Finally, I'm demanding that Gore run. I think he has a lot of great ideas. I also think he has international credibility and that is something we need now.

[LittleClarkie]

11. Webb elected to Senator only to leave two years later to run for prez. Kind of a slap to his

constituents, isn't it? No, I don't think that's why he was elected, to jump ship that quickly.

And Dean is kicking their asses exactly where he is now. I say Dean should stay chairman. He's not done yet.