They hate us because...

[SHRED]

...we have fucked with the politics of that region for well over 50 years.
The USA has installed brutal dictators and supported vicious regimes for years..
The people remember. The people know because they are the victims of the CIA bullshit.
The people know we want unfettered access to their oil and that we have put assholes like Saddam and the Shah in power to meet those desires.

Why is there any debate in "media" about this?
Why can't they just look at recent history?
Why does it always dissolve into the BS of how it's a "religious" war.

sick

ON EDIT:

Muslims with money are very westernized.
Radicalism takes hold mainly, with a few exceptions, in poverty.
It is in reality a class war and not a religious war.

The bin Ladens of the world can only be successful due to the hopelessness of poverty.
This is where they recruit from. The uneducated and down trodden.
This is where radical Islam has it's roots.

Same old same old.
He who has fights to keep he who has not under control.
Dress it up as a religious issue all you want.
Pray for a "holy war" if you want.
But bottom line; it is the bottom line that is going on here.

[Jokinomx]

1. I agree completely...

The Arab people have been occupied by countless numbers of rulers... presently in Israel, lands that the U.N. had mandated as Palestinian are occupied by Israel. To the Arab nations... Israel is the enemy and since the U.S. supports them blindly to the tune of over a TRILLION dollars over the last few decades we are considerd the Great Satan. We never condemn them for blatent violations of U.N. mandates.
I don't blame the Arabs for being upset. We have never ever showed respect to them dating back to the fifties when we assinated the popular Iranian leader Mohammad Mosaddegh. He tried to take more control of the oil fields that the British ran and the U.S. couldn't allow that.... so we gave control back to the Shah who was U.S. friendly. We all know the rest of the story..... had we allowed the Iranians to have more say in the way their country was ran...maybe none of this would be happening today. If we would lead the world by example instead of threats and war maybe we wouldn't have these religous fanatics promoting hate and revenge.

I could go on and on about this, from the 1950s on we have tried to implement our way of life on a region of the world that doesn't want our way of life. We have given those in power an enemy to fight. Just as bush has given us an enemy to fight... Al qaeda.

[Stargazer99]

2. Now here is someone that can do some critical thinking instead

of letting the government do it for them.

[genie_weenie]

3. Land.

Who does the Oil belong to?

[Odin2005]

4. Much of the anger towards the West got mixed in with Islamist fervor in the 70's

So it is a "religious" to the degree that resentment agains Western meddling has fused with Islamist politics (the Iranian revolution is a good example). To say it is entirely the result of the neo-colonialist BS pulled by the West and has nothing to to with religion is naive and simplistic.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

5. BUT SHRED

There are a lot of religious fanatics in the Arab world -- to not understand that they have built their society around their religion is at best, naive. They have infused religion into their political system - not unlike the Christian Taliban would like to do here. Also, the people who strap a bomb around themselves are not all from impoverished families -- these fanatics cross all financial and gender boundaries - they come from well educated families and poor alike -- the common theme is, they are all religious extremists who will die in the name of their god. bin Laden doesn't have to look too far to find people who are willing to die. I know enough about the arab culture to understand that western society has no place there. I hate to say it but Islam is not all about peace and love. Not any more than the Bible is, for peace and love, for western people - the Koran is full of stuff that tells its followers to kill anyone who does not follow Islam. Just as the Bible tells its religious followers to kill anyone who does not follow the Hebrew God. Religion is inherently flawed and I mean all of it -- it is dangerous to believe that there is a creator because each religions creator tells them to kill other people who do not follow their brand of worship.

As for the US and Britain fucking with the politics in the Middle East for 50 years -- it's been more like the last 100 years. British Petroleum jumped in right at the turn of the century, 1909, Iran. The USA and the Brits have been screwing over the Middle East for as long as they saw that oil was flowing like water in that region.

You can not separate religion from the Middle East -- they have it so tied with their politics there is no way to make them different things -- I wish that people here in this country could see just how crazy it is to make religion (Christianity) and the government so friendly and all tied up with a bow.

[SHRED]

6. I agree...

...however, it is my contention that all "radical" forms of any religion get their start and main thrust from poverty and hopelessness.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

8. I think they

get their main thrust, not from poverty and hopelessness, they get it from a deep wish that they will live forever. It is a fear of death. The religious people want to live forever... They are moved to worship through fear. That's why, I think, most religious zealots do what they do. From the upper crust to the lowest, pathetic guy on the streets of India.

[RethugAssKicker]

7. Of course, Anyone who sees it any differently is simply a fool...

or an apologist, or lack historical knowledge.