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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:20 PM
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How many geeks does it take to shut down a computer with Windows Vista?
December 1, 2006
Vista's Many Turnoffs
Microsoft's new OS has a surprising answer to the question, How many geeks does it take to shut down a computer?
by Catherine Holahan

How many ways should you be able to shut off a laptop? How about nine? Microsoft's long-awaited Vista operating system, launched for business customers on Nov. 30, includes that many options, according to programmers familiar with the software. That's two shortcut icons and a shut-down menu with a full seven options.

The sheer absurdity of all the choices has some techies chortling — and others astounded that the software giant could come out with something so unwieldy after years of development. Critics say that Vista, for all its capabilities, could end up being too complex for the average consumer. After all, how many features do you need for the computer equivalent of a light switch? "I'm sure there's a whole team of (user interface) designers, programmers, and testers who worked very hard on the OFF button in Windows Vista," writes Joel Spolsky, a New York software developer, on his blog, "but seriously, is this the best you could come up with?"

Debate over the issue has gained momentum on the Net in recent days, as a growing circle of people weigh in with their opinions. One big reason is the participation of a person who says he worked as a programmer for Microsoft on the shut-off feature. Moishe Lettvin, who now works at rival Google, described in online postings the inner workings of the development process at Microsoft. He says that the involvement of dozens of people, operating in too many teams, led to what he calls "the lowest common denominator." Microsoft executives were not available to comment for this story. However, its supporters point out that each menu option — switch user, log off, lock, restart, sleep, hibernate, and shut down — does do something slightly different. "Restart," for example, shuts off and then immediately reboots the computer. "Sleep," on the other hand, puts the computer in a lower power state, saving battery juice while enabling the user to quickly resume activity. That's different from "hibernate," which saves work before, essentially, shutting down.

Still, Spolsky, author of the Joel on Software book and blog of the same title, takes Microsoft to task for poor design. The company, he maintains, should have copied a page out of rival Apple's book and made Vista's user interface more streamlined and intuitive. Instead of burdening the user with too many choices, the computer should detect how long it has been neglected and select the optimal state automatically, says Spolsky. "There are always good reasons to have sleep and good reasons to have hibernate, but most people—they just don't care about these things," says Spolsky, who is now the chief executive of Fog Creek Software, a software company that designs IT solutions such as bug-tracking systems. "But Microsoft has a specific way of designing software where they never want to eliminate an option that users have had in the past. They always want you to have 37 different flavors." ...

http://www.businessweek.com/print/technology/content/dec2006/tc20061201_625122.htm

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:27 PM
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1. Microsoft
bwa bwa... hmmmf. new systems=mo money for old ones no longer supported!
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:16 PM
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4. My next computer is going to be an Apple, I swear it this time I do
on this xp 'puter they are patching it each week for something new, wtf. I don't ever hear of that with the operating system on the Apple
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:10 PM
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8. I don't have a clue what to do for the next one.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:18 PM
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10. Once a month for XP, BSD in a skirt
is vulnerable too. They all are.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303737

If you don't patch os x it is vulnerable. True with all operating systems.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 06:08 PM
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11. You definitely will not regret moving to Mac
They periodically update the software, but it's not like all the patches that Microsoft needs to put out
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:45 PM
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2. and every one of those options will carry more opportunities for errors
and creates more holes to be exploited by companies and individuals to their users detriment.

Once again we see a huge corporation grow on nothing but sheer ignorance, foisting a crap product on people that don't know the difference.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:08 PM
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3. Why? WHY?
:rofl:
What idiots.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:35 PM
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5. opted out long ago
and joined the penguin revolution. I broke Windoz one too many times, hence I use Linux. Does everything I need and is free to really cheap. I can't afford to upgrade both my OS and computer hardware every time MS comes out with a new version of Win.
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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:37 PM
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6. There was a whole article by the guy who worked on the off button
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 02:38 PM by Rockstone
saying how there were 48 people involved and nobody could ever make a decision.

He said microsoft is too ineffectual.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:50 PM
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7. Why do they
say that "the computer should detect how long it has been neglected and select the optimal state automatically." Windows does that. You just have to set the timing on the options to suit yourself. Not sure what's wrong with that. As for more option buttons - there have been times I wanted more shut down options. There may be other problems, but this is a silly one to pick on. I don't see where it's a problem at all, at least for me.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:15 PM
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9. Pretty stupid, guess they never read the man page
on the shutdown command in unix.

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