Where is the 'christian' Right on the use of backscatter x-rays?

[ck4829]

For those who don't know, these x-rays are used in airlines to scan people, the catch though, is that they scan through clothes, meaning the person who is looking at it can pretty much see the scanned person as though they have no clothes on.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2845447&mesg_id=2845447

Where is Donald Wildmon, Lou Sheldon, the American Family Association, the Christian Coalition? Why aren't they out protesting this? They go after everything they deem to be 'obscene', but when there is a machine that can look through your clothes, they are nowhere to be found, why is this?

[cool user name]

1. They're off pulling their pud.

They'll be with you in a moment.

[SammyWinstonJack]

2. ..

:spray:

[MadMaddie]

3. They don't care about real people and American rights...they

only care about zygotes, and cells that may turn into a baby....

They don't care about poverty and they don't care about Americans...


This is where the fight should be...we should be advertising these facts and put them on the defensive...take their power away from them and show them all to like Jim Baker all Faux Christians.....

They do not walk the path of Jesus.....that's all..

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

4. They're too busy filling out job apps for screener positions

"I always wanted to be an airport screener when I grew up!"

:rofl:

[MoonRiver]

5. They're busy submitting their resumes for TSA "distant viewer" positions.

[movonne]

6. I was wondering the same thing...I would think they should be out

in mass.

[twilight_sailing]

7. It's a Pedophile's Paradise!

[cynatnite]

17. ICK!

That hadn't occured to me at all. Geez, Hubby would go batshit nuts if he thought someone was oggling his daughter and his son like that. :wow:

[Aviation Pro]

8. They're applying for the position of watching the scanners....

...and rubbing their small hands with glee in anticipation of checking all the young children.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

9. It's an opportunity for them to let their exhibitionist side run wild

while at the same time being able to claim they are being a patriot. You know there have got to be a lot of those guys who will really get off on having some other guy look at his wife's snatch, even if it is just an x-ray.

[A Simple Game]

10. Measuring the church entrance to see if one will fit? n/t

[blondeatlast]

18. The initial response was quite funny, yours is more so!

:rofl:

[Warren DeMontague]

11. Um, as long as the machines don't prevent pregnancy, they're fine with it. nt

[butterfly77]

36. Speaking of that what will they do if ....

a passenger is pregnant, those rays effect the pregnancy. What if someone doesn't know if they are pregnant yet....

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Well, even better. Then the GOP can take the woman into protective custody

to ensure that she doesn't interfere with her state-controlled uterus's god ordained function as an incubator.

[darkmaestro019]

12. as a transgendered person

this terrifies me.

I SO look forward to explaining what they see to a bunch of hostile strangers while they examine all my ID with a microscope. Just to go to another state. Lovely.

[frustrated_American]

13. Confused

When I found this site, I thought I had found a place that was dedicated to the American way of life. Your rules state that no posts that are inflamatory willbe tolerated. You better read the one I am respoding to. As a Christian, I am offended, and can see no logic in the aspersions cast upon Christianity here. I "thought" this was a site to defend Americans, and last time I looked I was one.
I fail to understand why so many "concerned" people, ones who are against the new xray techniques (as am I) are so busy ragging on the Christians, instead of ragging on the government violation of our rights.
Just wanted you to know that I feel that these posts totally violate your rules, and also violate my rights as a Christian. I am an independent voter, who has seriously considered becoming a Democrat, until I read these posts. Obviously, the Democratic party is anti-Christians.

[lectrobyte]

15. As a Christian, I don't see anything against Christianity in the OP

at all. They are merely asking why these very vocal groups who are usually at the forefront of anything considered "obscene" or "exploitave" haven't protested this issue. Democrats love Christians. Jesus Loved The Poor and Downtrodden. Christians Love Democracy. Hope that Helps, and Welcome to DU!

[Marnieworld]

19. Wow that's a big conclusion to come to just by reading today

"Obviously, the Democratic party is anti-Christians" ? A few posters make generalizations that you don't like so you respond by tainting the whole group based on it? Seems you are what you criticize.

This is not "the democratic party". It's a website with 90,000 + members. Hardly the whole party.

And the original post was not disparaging Christians but the ones who constantly are focused morality and finding any nudity wrong (Ashcroft covering statues) and yet are strangely silent when we are all going to be revealed as such. It's a criticism of hypocrisy not religion.

I have a feeling that this was your belief before you read or wrote a word here at all.

[blondeatlast]

20. You may want to hang around a while before you go off on us. I'm a Christian,

many are Christian here, it's just that not a single Christian here is the Radical Right wing of Christianity.

But if it makes you feel better--and you want to take your ball and go home, go ahead and do so.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

21. You DID see the quotes around "christian," didn't you?

And don't be a hit-n-run. Please elaborate.

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. So you're a CHRISTIAN RIGHT WINGER? That is who the OP is talking about

not "Christians" in general. Didn't you read the thread TITLE? Loosen up...take a chill pill....hang loose dude. sheesh. Not all Christians are alike. The fundies are their own special breed.

[cynatnite]

23. *sniff* Something smells...

methinks something lurks beneath this pretended outrage.

[blondeatlast]

27. Gotta love that search function...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=139&topic_id=139#5043

Note his advice concerning communication. As a longtime AZ resident, I can tell you he's a little on the sensitive side from that comment and the one he made above.

[philosophie_en_rose]

35. I agree with your "respod"

:rofl:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

24. Welcome to DU!

I don't see what rules were broken. This was not a blanket condemnation of everything Christian. For an example of what a blanket statement is, reread your post and the part about the Democratic Party being anti-Christian. Hogwash, and you well know it. The Christian right are not Progressives nor are they Democrats. That's why the poster referred to them "Christian Right." Jimmy Carter being an example of a real Christian and a leftist, is not included in the "Christian Right."

[WinkyDink]

25. Oh, please. What we ARE is anti-hypocrite. If you SERIOUSLY

believe that the ONLY Party that has passed laws to help the poor, the disenfranchised, and the elderly sick is "anti-Christian", then you need some more info, STAT.

[Az]

26. Hi there

Don't know how long you have been reading DU for but your post count suggests you are relatively new. I am recently returned myself from a long hiatus but I suspect things are still as they were. Christians can catch some flack here but for the most part efforts are made to differentiate between the various Christian groups out there.

The religious right has made itself a very vocal member of the Christian community. And as there are few voices countering their hyperbole many nonChristians tend to take their voice to be the voice of Christianity.

I am an atheist. But I will defend and stand by any believer that recognises my rights (heck I even defend those who don't) to the same rights as them. Its unfortunate that liberal Christians are tarnished by the antics or the religious right. Its not your fault. But there are things you can do about it. Speak out against them. Defend those they are assailing. I don't know you so I will start off assuming you are already doing these things.

[VOX]

28. If you're sincere, Frustrated American, please stick around...

It's **not** Christianity that takes a licking here, but hypocrisy -- just like hypocrisy of Pharisees when they publicly lorded it over everyone.

If you can be strong, and as non-judgmental as possible, your stay here at DU will be a rewarding one. The Democratic Party is not anti-Christian; far from it, it is a party of tolerance that welcomes all faiths and beliefs and lifestyles, with the idea that ALL people have value. To my mind, THAT is a **very** Christian ideal.

Peace to you, and welcome to DU. :thumbsup:

[SidDithers]

30. Sorry, friend...

this is an open forum, with fast and free-flowing debate. You most certainly don't have the "right" to not be offended. If your sensibilities are that delicate, you may want to ignore posts that you feel might be critical of your faith. That Freedom you talk about in your sig line is considered pretty important here.

Sid

[blondeatlast]

32. I like that image in your sig line.

This very "indelicate" Christian is a big defender of that lovely idea...

[SidDithers]

33. Thanks, blondeatlast...

as far as I'm concerned, separation protects believers and non-believers alike.

:toast:

Sid

[ck4829]

40. I am *NOT* Anti-Christian

I am a very religious individual. How on Earth could you possibly come up with that?

[Warren DeMontague]

41. I suspect you're "Frustrated" by something, all right, Mr. Merkin...

Here, Let me guess...














Waaaaaaaaaaah.

So sorry that a single internet thread critical of the Religious RIGHT convinced you not to be a Democrat. (yeah, sure... :eyes:) Don't worry, I'm sure the millions of independent voters thoroughly alienated by a Republican Party in total hock to Theocratic Loonies-- you know, those GOP "base" agenda-setters who want to criminalize the birth control pill and think kids in public school science classes should be taught that the Earth is 6,000 years old-- will make up for the loss of ya.

DLTDHYAOTWO! :hi:

[noonwitch]

14. I wonder if Mormon "garments" will protect their followers?

You know, their secret, special underwear that protects them from sin and harm.

[Az]

16. The primary issue they rise to

is not nudity or sex or anything of that nature. The primary motivator of the religious right is moral authority vs relativistic morality. Submitting to a scan that strips them of their dignity does not set off their alarm bells as a group as it is simply the logical outcome of moral authority.

[TexasLawyer]

29. good question!

Whoa!!!

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/12/04/knXRAY_narrowweb__300x415,0.jpg

[ThomWV]

31. They can see every blond christian pubic hair on every born-again's 15-year-old daughter

Remind your Christian friends of that .....

[leftofthedial]

34. they are criticizing the liberal media for publishing the photos

that's the real sin and crime

[Hippo_Tron]

37. Nobody has yet to answer my question as to whether these things can cause cancer

When I go to the dentist and get my teeth X-rayed they put a lead apron over my body. I could care less about my naked X-ray picture, I'm just worried about the potentially harmful effects of the X-rays particularly for TSA workers and frequent travelers.

[Az]

39. Standing outside in the sun causes cancer

What do you think shooting a couple billion xrays at your entire body is going to do. Yeah. It increases the risk of cancer. But not a lot. Standing outside under the sun is probably similar in danger.

[pitohui]

43. yes, it increases your risk, frequent flyers are already at risk

as you may know, flight crews already have an elevated risk of cancer because the higher you get in the atmosphere, the less protection you have from damaging radiation, and of course those planes get pretty high, so there is already some risk

going thru one of these every day, as a member of a flight crew, would certainly increase your risk of cancer

if you travel once a year, not so much, although in theory there is no safe level of radiation, just living at high elevation adds to the risk, there are supposedly 3 cancers a year caused by background radiation from living in denver, colorado (high elevation)

you would definitely not want to expose yourself to one of these and add to your lifetime cumulative exposure


i think they be should barred on those grounds alone, frankly, women in particular after a certain age are being zapped by mammograms yearly and well-to-do women (who presumably have the best health care and are more likely to get regular mams) do turn out to have the highest rates of unexplained breast cancer -- so you need to understand that if you keep piling on small risks then eventually it can add up to something dangerous

the short answer is yes, this is known that it will slightly increase your risk of cancer

[Warren DeMontague]

42. Screw the tinfoil hat- time for TIN FOIL UNDERWEAR! nt