Bush is a war criminal!

[Dangerman]

He should be impeached and imprisoned! But Democratic senators would like to work with this bastard and says that "impeachment is out of the question"

They are spineless cowards! We need to stop Bush and send our troops home. I don't gave a rat's ass if Iraq will tear itself apart without them! We should have not interfered with their business from the start.

To all Democratic senators, stop the war and impeach that son of a bitch now!

[mike_c]

1. that is the crux of it-- repigs impeach for oral sex, democrats won't...

...impeach for crimes against humanity. WTF is wrong with this country?

[madokie]

2. here you go

[Bitwit1234]

3. How.

You need 67 senators. right now there are only 50 -- 51 if you count Liberman, but who can count on Liberman. I think if the democrats had enough to vote for impeachment. They would. But they know it is futile. There is no way that 17 republican senators would vote to impeach the S. O. b.

[mike_c]

4. no-- first the House has to bring the charges and debate them....

They would be devastating. There would be no way for the senate repigs to block them without destroying their party for a generation. Impeachment is a no-lose proposition.

[TahitiNut]

5. On this point, we agree completely.

:thumbsup:

At the same time, I will never rely on any crystal ball to tell me whether or not to Do The Right Thing. Impeachment has never been more justified. Never.

[tavalon]

15. I'm uninclined to put too much stock in what our political leaders are saying

right now. They are being, well, politic. I think that they know the public will scream for heads once the information is brought to light. They are denying that they are going to do what they most likely are going to do after the public demands it of them. Perhaps they really are that solidly against it, but I doubt it. I think they will do the right thing by having some devastating hearings and I for one am going to be popping an amazing amount of popcorn for that show. Then, when the public demands it, as any informed public will, I will pop yet more popcorn for the impeachment hearings as we watch the partisanship fall apart as the Rethugs scramble to save their own asses.

The Dems aren't even officially working in the majority yet. I refuse to get hyped up about this just yet. We need to be building the infrastructure to make sure the information as it comes out is disseminated to the as yet poorly informed public. That, and continue to hammer the problem of election fraud so that when the informed public decides to throw out the rest of the pigs, their votes will be counted.

Impeachment and criminal charges will come or we will scream at the top of our lungs. I'm resting right now but I will scream with the best of them if the Democrats do not heed us.

[Swamp Rat]

8. yep

Maybe we need to shout a little louder so our reps can hear us better?

[AntiFascist]

23. Exactly ! Let them know that we are nation ruled by law...

not a nation ruled by politically motivated and compromised enablers of the criminal cabal.

[wtmusic]

9. The mere act of publicizing the shit that is going on

would sink him. Most people in this country have no idea.

[Flabbergasted]

12. There are only two or three problems...

What are the charges?

Is there enough time to investigate the charges fully in order for the population to be in agreement?

I think there is inadaquet time to fully appease the American population to the benifits of impeachment. Its a double edged sword!

Democrats in congress are playing this correctly. Wait and see for the time being.

[cool user name]

7. You don't need Senators to impeach.

[cool user name]

6. It's IMPERATIVE that we IMPEACH!

[EstimatedProphet]

10. You might want to wait until they actually take office...

I'm getting fed up with all the 'Democrats aren't doing anything' crap going around. THEY AREN'T ABLE TO DO ANYTHING!

[Senator]

17. It's not just "crap going around"

The oldest GOP joke in DC remains valid: "Gosh, for a minute there I thought they might actually DO something."

They haven't DONE anything for decades, and it really does matter. Their failures have brought us to this point.

The Dems among the DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy remains the logjam to the Redemption of Our National Soul.

Perhaps it's gotten bad enough -- now that we are a pariah, War Criminal Nation. Perhaps the netroots can push them, perhaps the Dean/Lamont revolt has had effect, perhaps Olbermann's truth spasms can catalyze, perhaps Jim Webb can show the way -- things are changing. But no one can say how much.

The simple fact is that now, finally, inaction is NOT the "safest" path. They no longer have the option NOT TO DO something.

The first day they take control of Congress they must decide to oppose the ongoing war crimes or become complicit with them. This was the decision that Warner, McCain, and Graham were forced to face with the "War Criminals Protection Act." They refused to "sign on" to war crimes.

We shall see what the LieberDems DO. So far, morality and patriotism seem to be "off the table."

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[truedelphi]

21. Agreed and remember - had the Clinton

Administration undertaken a review of the BCCI and Iran Contra affair, they may well have sunk some of the ships now armed and at the ready to keep the Democrats down.

[Senator]

26. Sure, but like now they didn't even need to "investigate" anything

Just stand up to Poppy's criminal pardons of his Iran/contra co-conspirators.

They could still hold hearings on that and impeach Poppy for it.

If they even brought up the subject, you'd see how fast the other side would rollover on policy from taxes to Iraq to healthcare to the environment.

They might even throw Rove over the side on the Stolen Elections.

Anything to preserve the Fortunate Family's phony status.

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[pat_k]

11. To All Members of the House. . .

The act of writing up Articles of Impeachment is not difficult,
"You just write them on a piece of paper"
--Rep. Cynthia McKinney

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2997919&mesg_id=2997919

[elocs]

13. impeached and imprisioned...

you kind of left out the trial and conviction in that equation, or have even Democrats done away with that sort of thing. Impeachment without conviction means little, although many apparently seem to believe it means everything.

[Golden Raisin]

14. I think we owe it to history,

our Republic, posterity, the Founding Fathers and the generations that come after us to follow the Constitutional imperative concerning impeachment. As far as I'm concerned high crimes & misdemeanors, swathed in an ocean of lies, corruption & venality, have been committed. The list is long and we all know the litany of the horrors this Administration has committed. If for nothing else, are we going to completely let Abu Ghraib just disappear as a dusty footnote in the history books and have future generations stare in disbelief? The Republicans impeached vigorously, sparing no expense, for a blowjob and a lie, but we won't for Abu Ghraib? The other night I caught the end of PBS' NewsHour with Jim Lehrer --- the portion of the show where they silently run pictures of American soldiers killed in Iraq. The ages flashing on the bottom of the screen were 22, 25, 21, 28, 30. Staring at those young faces in their fancy dress uniforms, photographed against a background of the Stars and Stripes, my eyes welled up with tears at the sheer waste of so many young lives snuffed out --- not for democracy, but for oil and Halliburton profits. Today we look back criticizing and condemning those who did not stand up to or fight the Nazis when they were ascending to and finally achieved power in Germany in the 1930's. Even if impeachment and conviction fails --- if we don't have the votes --- at least we can stand up and be counted as having tried to uphold the Constitution, a document Bush and his junta spit on regularly, but a document that generation after generation of Americans have lived under and died for.

[tk2kewl]

16. ...

[ArmchairMeme]

18. Question

I believe both Congress and the President have sworn to uphold the Constitution of the U.S.

If after the House of Representatives does their investigations into the crimes and misdemeanors of the President (and Vice President) and these are presented to the Senate for the trial would it be negligent for any Senator to choose not to uphold the Constitution by voting against impeachment? Would a Senator be in jeopardy of being impeached themselves if they do not uphold the Constitution?

I do believe that the crime that Bush has already admitted to, spying on American citizens without a valid warrent is a high crime and should be punishable by impeachment. He admitted to this on national t.v. and said he would continue to do it, break the law, he has to the public that he broke the law! How can people dismiss this even though they know it.

I do believe that lying to Congress to effect the Iraqi war is also a crime. After all Congress impeached President Clinton for lying.

It seems as though these things have been in the public view for such a very long time that it is dumbfounding that Americans can accept that the President is comitting a crime against each and every one of them.

Do we feel that unempowered.

[Jack Rabbit]

19. Members of the legislature are not subject to impeachment

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

US Constitution, Article 2, section 4

[cali]

20. Yet another truly ignorant

rant (albeit blissfully short and devoid of caps- for which I am thankful).

1.) Senators do not impeach. Period. That is the privilege of the House. Senators vote for articles of impeachment, or they vote against them. Pretty basic.

2.) Anyone who knows the first fucking thing about the politics of Congress, knows that it would be disasterous for the the dems to rush toward impeachment. They need to build a case that persuades the country at large and the repukes in Congress, through investigations.

3.) They're doing just that, and they're going at it hard already, even before being sworn in. In the House, Dingell, Conyers, Waxman and others have made clear that they will be going after the administration. In the Senate, Leahy and Dodd among others have already laid out some of their plans to bring bushco to justice.

4) Impeachment and conviction does not ever mean imprisonment. It is not a criminal procedure.

Do take a look at this thread- kinda contradicts your spineless meme, doesn't it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2848855&mesg_id=2848855

Finally, your comment about not giving a rat's ass about Iraqi lives says it all.

[EstimatedProphet]

22. Thank you - saved me from writing the same thing above.

On edit: they're not even in office yet, and not only is the corporate media trying to hold them responsible for everything wrong with the world, half of our side is doing the same thing! Give them a chance, people...

[ChiciB1]

27. Good For You Cali!!! n/t

[MazeRat7]

24. Screw chess... lets play "whack-a-mole"....

Instant gratification that whack-a-mole game... :eyes:

MZr7

[novalib]

25. IMPEACH! INDICT! CONVICT! IMPRISON!

NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW!