Who will be the great progressive hope of 2008?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

Biden, Hillary and Vilsack are rightwingers and don't excite me

Kerry is a nice guy, but an inept campaigner and won't get the nomination
Feingold says no
Edwards? maybe
Clark? dunno
Obama? I don't think he'll run this soon, but maybe

Gore? wish it were so, but he says no.

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So unless we want to be stuck with the DLC's nominee getting entrenched as the front runner, we need to draft someone and fast.
is it time to deluge gore with a flood of mail begging him?

or as someone else has suggested, how about dean? he's been proven right a thousand times over

[kiahzero]

1. In what possible world are Biden, Clinton, or Vilsack "rightwingers?"

They might be more moderate than you'd like, but that hardly makes them "rightwingers."

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

3. they voted for the war and are DLC

the country's gone so far to the right that it needs a left turn and not some career politician triangulating the party out of an identity while sitting on the GOP's mess

clinton tried that. it came back to haunt us all with chmpy

[wyldwolf]

4. so much misinformation about the DLC. I'll let you figure out what part of your post...

... isn't true. The rest of it is, of course, you entitled opinion.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

7. really? what's untrue

eduacate me

[wyldwolf]

22. one key element is factually untrue

Biden is not DLC.

The rest, I'm sure, is merely your perspective.

[Spider Jerusalem]

9. Economically conservative, pro-war, pro-military, pro-free trade, socially moderate...

They're certainly more right than left. The American political spectrum is heavily skewed to the right; this creates distortions of public perception where anyone who's to the left of Barry Goldwater is now considered a "liberal". Even the most left-leaning of the Democrats whose names are often floated as potential national candidates is at best centre-right politically.

[kiahzero]

10. I'll agree that our political center is shifted rightward from the rest of the world

However, in a political context that includes the modern Republican party, it's absurd to call those three "right-wingers."

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. Not really.

Just because the current Republican Party now represents radical right-wing extremism doesn't mean that Democrats like Hillary, or Biden, etc., aren't also right of centre, even if moderately so instead of nearly at the far edge of the scale.

[kiahzero]

12. In a global sense, maybe.

Even if they are right of center in a global sense, it doesn't make much sense to refer to them in that scope.

[Spider Jerusalem]

14. Of course it does.

Because the issues that make them right of centre as the political centre is defined everywhere and not JUST in the US are ALSO issues of GLOBAL and not only AMERICAN significance: trade, war and military intervention, et cetera.

[kiahzero]

15. None of which changes that they are running in the American political system

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. And America is one of the most right-wing countries on the planet.

I rest my case.

[kiahzero]

19. How do you figure?

Maybe if by "on the planet" you mean "compared to Europe," but otherwise I think you're wrong.

[Spider Jerusalem]

21. Compared to Europe, Oceania, most of Latin and South America...

America is certainly one of the most right-wing of the so-called "developed nations".

[Mojambo]

2. Man, I would love to see Howard Dean run for president again.

But he's made a commitment to the DNC and I suspect he'll live up to it.

Gimmie Gore, PLEASE gimmie Gore.

[vote 4 democracy]

5. We need to flood Gore with pleas for a return to sanity n/t

[southerncrone]

6. The nite is young.

I still am angry at Kerry for conceding so quickly in light of closeness of 2004, seemed turn-coat to me.
Obama too green. Someone made the comment on TV the other day that he only beat out Allan Keyes so far.
Needs more experience. But seems like terrific future hopeful.
Clark or Edwards or Dean, maybe someone altogether new.
I really don't want to see anyone from Yale, quite frankly, because if they conferred a degree on the shrub, their program can have NOOOOOOOOO INTEGRITY! Plus the "Skull & Bones" shadow.:thumbsdown:

[PassingFair]

8. I'm NOT a huge fan....but my "spidey senses" say

Edwards.

I think he miscalculated last time.
He won't flub again.

Hope he spends more money on speech writers this time
around though.

The "Ma Daddy was a mill worker" schtick got BORING
real fast.

It was powerful the FIRST time, but by ROUND 47, my
eyes were literally ROLLING BACK IN MY HEAD.

:eyes:

[William769]

13. Don't get your hopes up our nominee in 08 will be

In the moderate to Conservative bracket, I'd bet money on it.

[Alexander]

17. When did Gore ever say "no"? He didn't.

"I'm not planning on it, but I haven't ruled it out" is VERY far from "No, I won't run."

The attempts of many DUers to spin this as a firm statement are laughable.

[ToeBot]

18. I would hope that Gore can be persuaded to run.

He is the only potential candidate that generates any enthusiasm in me, and having won the office once, he deserves it. I suppose I could drag my ass to the polls to vote for Edwards, but as for the rest? They can hang, I'm tired of being played.

[NuttyFluffers]

20. look in the mirror. you've always been your greatest hope!

O8) :hippie:

oh wait, that's not the answer you're looking for...

[salin]

23. Senator Harkin?

[Lusted4]

24. America needs more, GIVE GORE FOUR. America needs more, GIVE GORE FOUR. n/t