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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 09:47 AM
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FBI Eavesdropped By Activating the Microphone of a Cellphone Which Was Turned Off
FBI Taps Cell Phone Mic As Eavesdropping Tool

By Declan McCullagh and Anne Broache
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

Published: December 1, 2006, 2:20 PM PST

The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations.
The technique is called a "roving bug," and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials for use against members of a New York organized crime family who were wary of conventional surveillance techniques such as tailing a suspect or wiretapping him.

Nextel cell phones owned by two alleged mobsters, John Ardito and his attorney Peter Peluso, were used by the FBI to listen in on nearby conversations. The FBI views Ardito as one of the most powerful men in the Genovese family, a major part of the national Mafia.

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Kaplan's opinion said that the eavesdropping technique "functioned whether the phone was powered on or off." Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set.

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http://news.com.com/FBI%20taps%20cell%20phone%20mic%20as%20eavesdropping%20tool/2100-1029_3-6140191.html?tag=st.txt.caro

In this case, the FBI got a warrant. But we all know that (ahem) certain elements in our government are seeking ways to do this sort of thing without getting a warrant. And we also know that whatever law enforcement does "legally" may also be imitated by private agencies who know they are not acting legally, but which don't care because they plan to never get caught at it.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:26 AM
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1. this is creepy. good reason to cancel the cell phone. n/t
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:21 PM
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14. And a big reason not to get On-Star
That is always on. For your protection...
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:29 AM
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2. That sound you just heard was my cell phone hitting the trash can
I never used the god damned thing anyway, time to get rid of it and this is a mighty good reason.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:31 AM
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3. Apparently anyone can do that. You can do it, if you're so inclined.
I read something lately that explained how to do it. If I recall, you basically call the phone and make it answer without ringing.
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toshirajo Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:35 AM
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4. Buy a phone ..
Get free surviellance. Some restrictions may apply. :)
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:37 AM
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5. How about a lawsuit against the cellphone companies...
...for deceptive marketing for not telling us that our cellphones can be used to eavesdrop on us even when it's TURNED OFF?
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 11:03 AM
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10. Hi toshirajo!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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itsmesgd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:39 AM
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6. That's it
I had already parked my personal cell phone and have been using prepaid cells fueled with cards from the gas station for work after having my records subpoena'd. I'm a private eye, and was sick of my information being subject of investigation, but this is just sick. Welcome to the machine, Big Brother is our friend, and such. I am only disappointed that we don't have our snazzy silver uniforms that they have in the sci-fi movies once wee are under this level of control and surveillance.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:52 AM
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9. Take out the battery?
When not using it?

I dunno. Using a powered-off cell to surveil is pretty scary.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:40 AM
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7. Yes, the US intelligence community doesn't have to bother with planting bug
Or implanting chips into people in order to exert security control. People actually pay for the priveledge, and buy their own personal bugs and trackers in the form of cell phones, GPS equipped vehicles, OnStar equipped vehicles, and quite frankly and modern vehicle that has an onboard computer. Technology is a double edged sword, that while providing convience also allows law enforcement agencies a gaping window into their lives.

Cell phones not only can be used as bugs, but they are also being used to track hundreds of thousands of people daily. Last summer, in what is being called a traffic control measure, people who live in the St. Louis, Kansas City and Columbia Mo areas were being tracked(supposedly in an anonymous fashion) via their cell phone. The private company contracted for this test marketing is doing this for the so called purpose of monitoring traffic and allowing it to move much more smoothly. However I find it suspicious that Columbia, a town of 100,000 people, is being used as a test market for this product. The rush hour, while quite busy, lasts perhaps thirty minutes, and none, absolutely none of the major arteries gets the massive traffic stack up common in larger metropolitan areas. However Columbia is a quite liberal college town, with a large Muslim community:shrug:

It came out about a year ago that OnStar systems were being used to monitor people's in car conversations. Given that OnStar has a GPS system also, then one can presume that this willed be used to track vehicles, if this hasn't started already.

In fact anybody with a GPS device of any sort runs the risk of having their every move with that device monitored.

And then we have vehicles with on board computers. The technology is such now that every single move that the car makes is recorded, and can be read off and transfered to another computer at the dealer or service station. Why do dealers and mechanics need to know where you've been? Who else is getting this data? As we've seen, large corporations aren't shy about sharing this sort of information with government authorities, all in the name of homeland security.

Modern technology has become a two edged sword. The infrastructure is being built that will enable every single person to be fully monitored, including their most intimate conversations, everywhere they go. And most people will be completely ignornant that every move they make is being monitored and filed away for future reference. Go to an anti-war protest, or a mosque, or some other "subversive" location, and expect that your every move will be scrutinized and your file flagged. This is a brave new world we're entering, and sadly it looks like we're even going to be the ones paying for it, one cell phone, one vehicle at a time.

We can, and should raise havoc about this, but I doubt that much would come of it. Both sides have motivation for not confronting this encroaching spy state. The 'Pugs love a surveillance state, always have. The Dems, while less enamored of this state, aren't going to put up much, if any, fight, for they don't want to be labeled as being soft on terror, homeland security, etc. A large part of the population will simply respond to this information in a sheep like fashion, "If you have nothing to hide, why does it matter?" So we're probably on our own here. If you carry a cell phone, take out the battery and carry it seperately. But an older, pre-computer vehicle, and keep it in good shape, for it has to last. Don't buy a GPS device for your convience of finding locations, instead sharpen your map reading abilities and find places the old fashioned way. Is this inconvienent, sure, a bit. But before we had any of these fine electronics, we all got along quite well. And frankly, given the trade off, in my mind, I would rather be an old school luddite than to be tracked every single moment.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 12:21 PM
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11. Errrrr..., not quite.
"In fact anybody with a GPS device of any sort runs the risk of having their every move with that device monitored."
I have a hand held GPS unit and I can assure you it is receive only. It has no transmit capabilities. It will only keep track of where I have been if I tell it to do so.

"And then we have vehicles with on board computers. The technology is such now that every single move that the car makes is recorded, and can be read off and transfered to another computer at the dealer or service station."
Only up to a point. Mainly speed, air bags, brakes, steering wheel position for the last X # of minutes. Insurance companies are interested in this so they don't have to pay off so much.

Like the RFID on a can of soup being read from hundreds of feet or more away. Pure Bull Shit. More of the 'Be afraid, be very afraid'
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:16 PM
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13. Yeah, that's it, keep deluding yourself
First off, your handheld GPS has to have a transmitting circuit in it, if for no other reason than the fact that transmission to the satellite is vital to proper functioning of the GPS. In essence your GPS device transmits to two satellites in orbit. Using the triangulation information transmitted back by the satellites, your device then calculates where it is. The respective satellites are free to transmit their information elsewhere, to other computers that also do the necessary calculations. In fact this is what is done with OnStar and other GPS devices.

And car computers record much more information than you claim. Here is an after market device that records time and date, distance, speed, idle time, hard accelerations and decelerations, and engine diagnostic trouble codes. OMS computers record much more information than that, and generally have a larger memory in which to store that information.<http://www.cardriverdata.com/CARCHIP.HTM>

As far as RFID goes, well yes, some of them can be read from a hundred feet away, specifically the "active" RFID chip. Passive chips can be read from up to twenty feet away. Right now technological progress is this area is proceeding apace. A 4MB flash memory chip has been developed, and while the price is coming down, memory is going up, as is the distance at which these chips, both active and passive, can be read.

So hey, keep your head in the sand if you want. That is a common response among a certain segment of the population on these sorts of deveopments. Stick their head in the sand and keep repeating that nobody can see you, nobody can track you. Meanwhile in some government or corporate office somewhere, the depth to which your head is stuck is duly noted, and your little file is stamped with a big, red label saying SUCKER.

Wake up friend.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 03:06 PM
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16. Handheld GPS does not transmit anything
The unit receives a signal from 3 or more satellites and triangulates a position - the satellites are always transmitting a signal, and the GPS uses the time delay in the signal to calculate a distance to the satellite, which is combined with the satellite location to estimate the position of the unit. No information is sent back to the satellite...
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 12:26 PM
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12. Once again making info available for misuse is the problem ...
People do not realize the extent that their personal information is being used improperly today to invisibly influence their behavior, and limit their freedoms.

In so many ways it is similar to the Joe McCarthy experience. Anyone who refuses to 'go along' is accused of being "a communist", or in this case being a supporter of 'terrorists" or "anti-Americans."

There are a few 'destinations' we as a nation are headed toward, no question about it.

Moving toward a "cash-less" society, in which all financial dealings will be electronic and easily tracked.

Moving toward a society in which the "expectation of privacy" will no longer exist, and the importance of the government's interest in hearing and reviewing everything we say and do trumps our constitutional rights to be free of such intrusions. So the government no longer serves the people, but rather the people live to serve the government and its interests.

Moving toward implementation of government imposed 'classes' which determine everything available to you such as rationed medical care and educational opportunities. With the establishment of super-rich oligarchs, the costs of everything will be shifted to 'working' Americans, and investment income will not be taxed, and estate assets will be passed down from one generation to the next without taxation.

Remember, none of the above can be accomplished without the government having at its disposal the personal information of the people. This is where it all begins and ends, and where our country is at grave danger of becoming something other than a democracy.

The "Joe McCarthy" role players must be exposed, the people awakened, and opposition mobilized if we are to survive as the 'free participatory democracy' that our founders imagined.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:46 AM
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8. His lawyer cooperated and bugged his own client?
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:21 PM
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15. Say! Cellphones are just like miniature "Telescreens"! Wow it's
like living in a sci-fi novel! The future is here today.

Of course if I had to choose I would have picked 2001 over 1984...
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 09:03 PM
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17. i say we all dump our cell phones
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 09:17 PM
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18. Put the cell in a metal case when you're not using it.
:shrug:
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