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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:49 PM
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another katrina victim found
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/metro/index.ssf?/base/news-18/1165132818243860.xml&coll=1

Workers demolishing damaged houses in the Katrina-devastated Lower 9th Ward have discovered a body thought to be that of a hurricane victim, the Orleans Parish coroner's office said Saturday.

The body is thought to be that of an adult, but the gender and identity are unknown.



actually found earlier in the week, just now reporting, i think they may have been trying to figure out who lived there or if there was any family seeking a person in this area so they could inform them first, nothing yet known though

Gagliano also said coroner's officials found houses in that neighborhood that did not appear ever to have been entered since the storm flooded the neighborhood.

The coroner's office has arranged to have volunteers from several city agencies search areas that have not been entered since Katrina, Gagliano said. The St. Tammany Parish search and rescue squad also will assist.


quite a bit of new orleans east has not yet been searched either
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:51 PM
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1. I have no words
:cry:
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LiberalArkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:53 PM
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2. This is F**KING INSANE.. They sift through grains for sand for body parts in NYC,
Edited on Sun Dec-03-06 01:54 PM by LiberalArkie
but they don't look for survivors in New Orleans. This is totally insane...
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:05 PM
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7. Have you been here?
The area involved in Katrina is just a little bit larger than NYC. I am not at all surprised; I doubt they will EVER be able to find all the bodies.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:12 PM
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11. I think it is a matter of importance and not area and that NO and the
poor in the 9th Ward are just not important to our government. And yes I was just there and all over the 9th Ward doing volunteer work in August.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:18 PM
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15. shouldn't they look through all the houses?
I understand if people are in the middle of no where, I mean, I don't expect them to drain the swamp looking for people, but houses in the 9th ward? Not that I have been to New Orleans, so maybe I'm off base here.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:22 PM
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17. they thought they had looked thru all the houses
yes, all the houses were in theory searched in the months after the storm

clearly "mistakes were made"

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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 05:08 PM
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22. Too dangerous
We were down there for a long time. Some them are just too dangerous to really search well. I have many EMT's and police in my family; they tried so hard, I feel frustrated when they are blamed for areas they couldn't get into. They saw some things that will bother them forever.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 05:11 PM
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23. yes, this is true
some houses it was not possible to really go into safely, the state needed more cadaver dogs but there was some dust-up, i think fema yanked the funding, and the dogs were recalled -- don't remember the details now

it would not make sense to risk further loss of life to retrieve a dead body, certainly, i respect that

thank you to you and yours for your service, i don't think anyone here wants to put blame on the very people doing most to help
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:45 PM
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20. They found bodies in NYC YEARS after the fact as well
Not saying that they didn't conveniently make the 911 deaths more important than Katrina's (I have yet to hear a tital death toll), but the sifting through the sand came a bit late for survivors here as well.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:55 PM
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3. Over a *year* and still counting the dead.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:09 PM
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10. quite a large area remains unsearched
new orleans east michoud area still not searched

what is surprising about this find is that it's in the 9th ward, we were told EVERY house there was entered and searched, now they have discovered this neighborhood of houses there that wasn't

it makes you wonder
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:57 PM
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4. Good fugging grief
Thank Bush and Fema
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:02 PM
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5. Thanks Mr Bush!
:grr:
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:05 PM
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6. Many parts of the city are either still sparsely populated or are still empty
They simply never returned. It shouldn't be a surprise that you'd still find bodies outside of tourist traps. If you simply visited Canal Street and other places tourists go, things look like they're getting better, but in truth, some of the neighborhoods feel like tombs. I hated that mind-numbing, oppressive silence. It's hideous. It is like what people report when they visit the infamous Dead Zone in the Ukraine near Chernobyl, oppressive silence.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:21 PM
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16. well they weren't supposed to wait for families to discover remains
as i'm sure you know, we were told that every house in orleans was entered and searched in the aftermath of the storm, not immediately, but mostly in the first few months after the storm

it would not be realistic to wait for families or contractors to come back and discover bodies, not really in our job description

some of the people who are not coming back discovered they have better lives elsewhere, that's why people i know are not coming back, i wish we could get out of here ourselves

nothing wrong with silence, bulldoze empty neighborhoods in places where no neighborhoods should have been in the first place and turn them back to swamp, new orleans east should have been a cypress swamp barrier to help protect the city, not a developer's hellhole of houses built for quick profit and then turned into crack dens almost before the ink is dry on the mortgage

the bullets flying over new orleans east weren't less oppressive than the silence

oh well, just my view, but i would never live in new orleans east again
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:06 PM
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8. K&R/nt
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:09 PM
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9. Shame
Shame on this administration. Shame.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:13 PM
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12. My In-laws traveled through the Gulf States to come see us
and on the way back they wanted to gamble and got on Hwy 90... They said nothing has been done in the gulf states to help, it looked terrible.... I am ashamed of this administration for leaving these states in this condition....
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:16 PM
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13. Dead people don't "usually" vote.
Katrina is going to bite them in the butt for years to come, as well it should.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:26 PM
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18. highway 90, yeah, that's a sad story
it looks better now than it did, but god it is indeed still awful

much of what is re-built are the casino complexes, as you know, they were entitled to no federal aid, so they funded this out of their own insurance, a great deal of the opportunity there has actually been due to them not to any federal aid

i have no idea when those bridges will be fixed at either end of hwy 90 but at least there is a ferry now at waveland, the ocean springs side of it is just a pancaked bridge
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:16 PM
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14. This is so achingly sad and infuriating...
That there are still these lost souls, lost in the immensity of the disaster makes me cry. That there are entire neighborhoods unsearched is beyond understanding.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:43 PM
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19. Thank Bush's FuneralGate cronies -- how many bodies were "missed"
in order to keep the death toll under that of 9/11?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:50 PM
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21. well the last i heard the coroner thinks around 400 in orleans
i've been told by people in mississippi that the reported death toll there (around 300) bears no relation to the real death toll (i've been told "thousands") but honestly you don't know how much is just storm confusion and grief, no one person can see and accurately report all the dead, so if we can't trust the gov't to account for people accurately it becomes a matter of speculation

a few months ago new orleans coroner minyard suggested that 400 names of missing from 9th ward and lakefront are likely dead but not accounted for but i've heard nothing further about this

in jefferson parish they just kept the death toll down by the simple expedient of claiming that over 100 bodies were in "storage" before katrina and had died of old age rather than putting them down as storm dead, because you all know how we love to store bodies instead of burying them in the south in august, don't you? :eyes:

i don't doubt the numbers were similarly fiddled elsewhere, the death toll for st. tammany parish is 7 -- if you saw slidell after the storm, you would find that awfully awfully hard to swallow

so i think there are a lot of bodies actually found, dead, and buried, but simply counted separately, as being from other causes, that keeps the toll artificially low just in itself

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 05:56 PM
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24. i'm so ashamed, and so sorry...
.... as a citizen of this country, and of this world- this is not acceptable.

Things like this put our claim of being such a 'succesful' and 'compassionate' nation into a sad and revealing perspective.

we should all be outraged, and calling for change-

i'm so sorry-

blu
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