Fugging Hell -breaking on CNN

[malaise]

Egyptian police have arrested an American and other foreigners invovled in plotting terror attacks in the Middle East including Iraq. No surprise here. The people of the Middle East are waking up and fast.

Add: other foreigners.

[iconoclastic cat]

1. Link? And btw, I wonder if this is Negroponte/CIA false flag crap again.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

[aquart]

9. "false flag"?

Obviously, I've missed something that matters. What is that?

[lectrobyte]

17. Attacking under a "false flag" to provoke war. Google up

Operation Northwoods as an example. I think the Germans did some in early WW2 with fake Polish soldiers attacking a German radio station as a pretext for thier invasion of Poland.

[iconoclastic cat]

20. And I'm probably totally full of crap.

As if I'd know anything about this case. I call BS on myself!

[Flarney]

22. 9/11 would be another example... n/m

[Name removed]

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[krispos42]

57. It was some Polish prisoners they used

Dressed them up in captured Polish Army uniforms, took twelve of them out to the Polish/German border, and the 'defending' Germans 'heroically' shot the viscious attackers of the Fatherland. A thirteenth person was killed at the radio station. He was a German named Franciszek Honiok, who sympathized with Poles living in the region. The Germans transmitted a Polish-language broadcast from the radio station urging the Poles in the region to rise up against the Germans, then poisioned and shot Honiok and left his body at the station as proof.

It was a part of a larger operation called "Operation Himmler", a series of 21 such 'attacks' used to justify the invasion of Poland the next day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

[petgoat]

60. self delete-- redundant nt

[exlrrp]

62. Right

Also Edward Lansdale, in the very beginning of the Vietnam War, was doing the same thing, having his CIA forces comit war crimes against the Vietnamese in the uniforms of the PAVN and other military so it would be blamed on them.
Your tax dollars at work!

[LibertyorDeath]

41. False flag attacks

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own.

False flag attacks as pretexts for war

In the Gleiwitz incident in 1939, Reinhard Heydrich fabricated evidence of a Polish attack to mobilize German public opinion, and to fabricate a false justification, for a war with Poland.

In the 1931 Mukden incident, Japanese officers fabricated a pretext for annexing Manchuria by blowing up a section of railway.

The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. administration for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as hijacking a passenger plane and blaming it on Cuba. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nixed by John F. Kennedy, came to light through the Freedom of Information Act and was publicized by James Bamford.

Terrorism and false flag operations

Terrorist attacks may sometimes be in fact false flag operations, as in the Italian strategy of tension in which several bombings in the 1970s, attributed to far-left organizations, were in fact carried out by far-right organizations cooperating with the Italian secret services (see Operation Gladio). Elsewhere in Europe, the Mouvement d'Action et Défense Masada, supposedly a Zionist group, was really a neo-fascist terrorist group which hoped to increase tension between Arabs and Jews in France.

East Germany gave covert support to the Red Army Faction (RAF), which was active from 1968 and carried out a succession of terrorist attacks in West Germany during the 1970s and to a lesser extent in the 1980s.<7> After German reunification in 1990, it was discovered that the RAF had received financial and logistic support from the Stasi, the security and intelligence organization of East Germany.<8> It had also given several RAF terrorists shelter and new identities.<9> It had not been in the interests of either the RAF or the East Germans to be seen as co-operating. The apologists for the RAF argued that they were striving for a true socialist (communist) society not the sort that existed in Eastern Europe. The East German government was involved in Ostpolitik, and it was not in its interest to be caught overtly aiding a terrorist organization operating in West Germany, but as a proxy war forming part of the Cold War it was a cost effective stratagy. For more details see the History of Germany since 1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

There are those here that believe "their" own Government would never engage in such tactics.
It's kind of pathetic that people are so easily fooled.

[malaise]

10. Most likely

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

[jaxx]

13. Under MSNBC breaking news:

Egyptian police arrest an American, others for alleged terror plots.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

Nothing else yet about this.

[havocmom]

19. Link? TV. CNN.

There aren't links to everything ;)

Their site may have something a bit later.

[blm]

26. It usually is, isn't it? And THIS is why IranContra and BCCI still MATTER, folks.

The world didn't HAVE to look like this.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[Captain Hilts]

31. John Kerry was the only one with the guts to go after BCCI. nt

[blm]

36. And added nods to Joe Moakley, Henry Gonzalez for their investigations in the house

over BushInc crimes that were also swept under the rug by Poppy's favorite son in 1993.

[Captain Hilts]

39. Yes. I LOVE Henry Gonzalez. nt

[blm]

53. Good to hear - most Dems couldn't tell you a darn thing about the man.

but, if it wasn't for the work and tireless efforts of dems like Kerry, Moakley and Gonzalez there would have been no chance Clinton would have beat Bush1 in 1992, and this nation would have been in full New World Order mode by 1994.

[Captain Hilts]

55. I wrote Gonzalez a long letter from Moscow in 1993...

about how the Russian mob was using the US dollar as their currency, etc. and got a nice note back.

He's a good guy. A New Dealer.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

28. Yes.

A brilliant plan to have their own operatives arrested by Egyptian security forces allied with the US government.

:eyes:

[iconoclastic cat]

32. See post #20 for confimation. nt

[Horse with no Name]

33. That probably wasn't part of the plan

Don't you think? Sometimes shit just happens. Karma works. Whatever you want to call it.

[thereismore]

2. What? 'Murkans are terrists? Will they be rendered? nt

[jaxx]

3. Just heard on MSNBC too.

Arrested an American and several others for terrorist activities, including in Iraq.

Hell to pay.

[xultar]

4. Ruh Ro.

[Horse with no Name]

5. Is that part of what it means to "fight them over there"

So we don't have to fight them here?

[NNN0LHI]

6. An American "contractor" perhaps? n/t

[Horse with no Name]

8. I wonder if the "perp" has a moustache?

One that looks similar to a dead weasel laid out on someone's face?:shrug:

[Captain Hilts]

7. Bush doesn't control the behavior of all USians overseas. Let's give this one some time to unfold.

[novalib]

11. I Would Not Put ANYTHING past *!!!!

I would not want to put ANYTHING past * and his gang of THUGS!!!

It may well be that this American who has been arrested is in the employ of * or Cheney or Rice or any of the other vermin now in the White House!!!!

[Captain Hilts]

30. I don't either. But, we're getting this from Egyptian sources.

Let's wait for this to shake out a bit.

[spoony]

56. It's odd that when it's reported

that a number of mideasterners were apprehended planning an act of terror, so many here go out of their way to give them the benefit of the doubt and suggest that it's all trumped up conspiracy. Then when the tables are turned, we see an impressive rush to judgment that would make any freeper proud.

You're right, we need to wait and see what's going on.

[malaise]

12. True but those stolen cars

from out of the US have already raised my eyebrows.

[bryant69]

15. I don't know - if you can't decide that Bush is behind something evil

seconds after it is revealed, than maybe you just don't hate Bush enough.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[novalib]

23. BUSH IS EVIL!!!!!

Bush is EVIL!!

His MOTHER is EVIL!!!

HIS FATHER is PURE EVIL!!!!

I HATE EVIL!!!!!

[NoPasaran]

37. NO!

HIS MOTHER IS EVILLER THAN HIS FATHER!

HIS DOG IS EVIL!

[novalib]

59. "EVILLER"??!!!

I agree that *'s MOTHER IS EVIL.

I agree that *'s FATHER IS EVIL.

I agree that they are both eviller than the dog of *.

But I can't decide who is the evillest of all.

[rman]

48. True, but it is rather unlikely

that this kind of shit happens again and again (which it does) - always in favor of the big money interests - merely due to coincidence.

[lonestarnot]

Wow, I watched Syriana for the first time over the weekend.

[malaise]

An American and 11 Europeans

Damn - MSNBC now.

[marmar]

14. The AFA? THe Christian Coalition? Michael Savage?

The potential candidates' list is endless.

[951-Riverside]

16. I'm not surprised

I have a feeling the current plan in iraq is to divide and conquer. I believe they are behind the "sectarian" bombings and death squads.

[Ian David]

18. Link from USA Today: Egyptian police arrest foreigners for allegedly plotting terror

Egyptian police arrest foreigners for allegedly plotting terror ...
USA Today - 12 minutes ago

Updated 12/4/2006 11:37 AM ET

CAIRO (AP) — Egyptian police have arrested an American, 11 Europeans and several others from Arab countries for allegedly plotting terrorist attacks in Middle Eastern countries including Iraq, the Interior Ministry said on Monday.

Authorities said the group was part of an Islamic militant terror cell that had adopted extremist ideas and were living in Egypt under the guise of studying Arabic and Islamic studies, the ministry said in a written statement.

Along with the American, police arrested two Belgians, nine French and several others from Egypt and other Arab countries including Tunisia and Syria, the statement said.

More:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-12-04-egypt-arrests_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

[bryant69]

21. This is really bad

Presumably it will be another Johnny Walker Lindh situation? It will give justification to the paranoid fantasies of a Dennis Prager or a Cal Thomas.

Bryant

[KoKo]

24. Egypt is closely allied with Bush/Repug Foreign Policy. This could be

more crap from the Bushies to ramp up Terra...Terra...Terra.

[Captain Hilts]

40. No, Mubarak is, not "Egypt." That's why he had to rig the election. nt

[Ian David]

25. Well, if they're innocent, they have nothing to fear except two years of being tortured.

What can possibly go wrong?

:sarcasm:

[malaise]

27. They could all be plants

infiltrating and committing terrorist acts. Since Israelis received a warning about a plot in Sinai from yesterday, we don't know if they're neo-Nazis, mercenaries etc. do we!

[bryant69]

35. I suppose we don't

Although it's clear that some of us have made up our minds already.

Bryant

[malaise]

44. No but my mind is open

when dealing with pure evil and chaos.
Sp.

[Skidmore]

38. The CIA is militant Islamic terrorist group now?

Who knew.

[rman]

46. rather the reverse - up to a point

I would not be the first time for the CIA to foment religious extremism as a means to divide and conquer in order to overthrow some populist nationalist socialist leader so that he can be replaced by some kind of dictator who does have US interests at heart.

Check out Mossadeq, Iran, 1953. It's sufficiently long ago that previously secret govt docs about it have since been released. As someone who has studied those documents remarks:

"If you flip over the rock of American foreign policy of the past century, what crawls out (...) is enough to give imperialism a bad name."

Killing Hope: US Military and CIA
Interventions Since World War II.
by William Blum
http://www.killinghope.org/


edit: minor correction to the quote.

[Skidmore]

47. Exactly.

It's time for the rest of the world to set us on our heels for a while. We need to chill and figure out how to manage our own affairs before we dictate to others.

[Jcrowley]

29. Book 'em

There's this thread:

Vehicles Used In Iraq Car Bombings Were Stolen In The US

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2840464

K&R

[OzarkDem]

34. Texans exporting SUV's to Iraq for car bombings?

Why haven't they been sent to Gitmo?

[rainbow4321]

54. Not the first TX truck connection..

Remember back when this mess first started there was a truck w/ a TX registration sticker outside a a deserted building in either Iraq or Afganistan--think it was Iraq. Inside, supposedly, was bomb making equipment.
Guess no one took time to trace the registration to follow up on the connection..chimp probably doesn't want us to know/remember it.

Makes you wonder about this little tidbit, also..are there really "camps" down here..and I mean more than just a couple of guys playing weekend warrior who are now getting busted by the feds.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2845974&mesg_id=2845974

[lebkuchen]

42. Will this hurt the country's "Welcome to Egypt" campaign?

[mirandapriestly]

43. They could plot them here, too, folks.eom

[Pawel K]

45. WWIII here we come, looks like glenn "douchebag" beck got his wish

[valerief]

49. Those wacky twins. Was it Jenna or Barbara? nt

[rman]

50. Egyptian police blowing the whistle:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11497271/

They were arrested about a week ago, police officials said, speaking on condition on anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

[Gregorian]

51. And about those smuggled American automobiles...

Rooooxxane! You can take off your tinfoil hat.

[blm]

58. Just chalk it up to more coincidence from the world of BFEE.

.

[meuniermr]

61. If this gets traced back to the right (wrong?) people..

Who knows what will happen..