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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:25 PM
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The author of Help Mom! There are Liberals Under My Bed! Writes an Op-Ed for the Green Bay rag...
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061129/GPG07/611290771/1273

came across a bumper sticker the other day while Christmas shopping that proudly proclaimed "Jesus was a liberal." Of course, this gave me great pause. If Jesus was a liberal, you might as well forget Joseph. Jesus would have had two mommies. He certainly would not have advocated teaching a man to fish to eat for life, rather to give a man a fish each day because the man would never amount to anything anyway. According to liberals, Mary should have had the right to choose.

Why would liberals invoke the name of Jesus when they strive to take every reference to God, the Son and Holy Spirit out of the public eye, especially at Christmastime? Why seek to squelch, via the ACLU among others, one of the most significant Christian traditions in America, Christmas, and yet proclaim liberals are pro-values?

The answer lies, as always with the far left, in politics. Secular liberals abhor Christianity, and its biggest holiday, which is on display for over two months, precisely because it reminds them of what they are not — pro-values, pro-morals. They realize that 95 percent of Americans celebrate Christmas and that 90 percent recognize it as the birth of Jesus Christ, yet that pesky moral code that comes with Christmas and Christianity interferes with their liberal agenda.

Christmas represents a religion with a moral code. There are no exceptions for the "if it feels good, do it" liberal crowd. Self-absorption and instant gratification have no room when one centers his or her life around God, and not self. Nor does it give exception for the excuse that Hollywood continually pushes that "everyone is doing it, so it must be OK and normal." No one committing immoral behavior wants to be reminded that they are doing just that. Instead they seek to belittle the religion that requires a moral code, and elevate their own self-engineered code. How dare anyone define my morality. I define it the way I want to.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:27 PM
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1. "Immaculate conception"
That's the best excuse for getting knocked-up in the history of human civilization.
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Ellis Wyatt Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:35 PM
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13. Give her credit
It certainly takes a lot of gumption to try and pull it off.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:28 PM
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2. With over 300 in sales
Help Mommy is a right-wing coup in publishing.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:29 PM
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3. To Most Americans Christmas Represents Gifts
This twisted sister needs to shove her moral code up her ass. Where she wishes her husband would fuck her. End of rant.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:29 PM
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4. "How dare anyone define my morality"
She really should follow her own preachings.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:31 PM
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7. No Shit What A Narcissistic Cow
Ghastly creature. Pure FUCKWITTAGE.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:40 PM
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18. no sh*t. my thought exactly. eom
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:29 PM
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5. It takes a lot of energy to feel persecuted all the time.
I swear there is a contingent of Christians with a genetic memory of lions and amphitheaters.

The "Woe is me" sect.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:30 PM
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6. What a fuckin' nutcase.
Like most of the religious right, she equates "right morality" and "right religion" with WORDS, especially words in the public sphere, preferably said by our politicians, leaving the rest of the right wing (that is, FALSE) Christians free to do nothing, and go about their lives as normal.

The left equates right morality and right religion with ACTION. With DOING. Whether it's done in the name of Christ or just in the name of common, decent morality and ethics doesn't matter - so long as people are treated like human beings.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:33 PM
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10. My Ex Spews Shit Like This Endlessly
It is a wonder he does not die in his own vomit.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:32 PM
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8. Wow, she managed to get all that out of the bumper sticker..
I would say that 95% of Americans celebrate Christmas by going to the mall or other stores and having riots and fights over the latest game box. I am glad to learn I have no morals or values, I didn't know that. I guess caring that people have a decent living wage, health care, food on the table and my concern for animals means I have no morals or values.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:32 PM
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9. Uhhhh, Jesus GAVE AWAY the fish he had, and said "Consider the lilies of the field..."
Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil
nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. (Matt. 6:28-29)

Oh my. I don't think Jesus was really that into either the Protestant work ethic or the secular consumerism that has engulfed his presumptive birthday.

Hekate

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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:36 PM
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15. Stop Making Sense This Woman Has To Shop n/t
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:34 PM
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11. I stopped reading at "two mommies."
Infantilic tantrum.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:35 PM
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12. More pathetic RW bullshit. Even my conservative/libertarian cousin
admits that conservatism and Republicanism is a crock of shit.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:35 PM
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14. so what i get from this is. if jesus came back and proclaimed himself
a liberal, they would have a problem with it. they would directly dis-obey an order from god himself just because he said I'm a liberal. hmmmmmm!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:37 PM
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16. Wow, Sickening
I will try to write an editorial for this tripe.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:39 PM
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17. Ahem - Christmas is NOT the most important Christian holiday
Easter is.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:41 PM
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20. yeah but all Easter has going for it is candy...
surely Christmas is more important otherwise Sony would have waited until April to release the PS3 :sarcasm:
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:51 PM
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24. Don't forget that damned pagan bunny hopping around! nt
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:41 PM
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19. The author should talk to all these preachers who molest children
Hey, if it feels good do it, huh? Morals?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:42 PM
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I'm a secular liberal and I celebrate christmas every year like the vast majority
of liberals do. The entire article is a charade.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:42 PM
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21. the "ends justify the means" crowd just loves to preach
to us libruls about ethics. They wouldn't know ethics if it came up and bit them (her) in the ass. Example: preaching the hatred toward one group as basic to her belief system. Unfucking-believeable.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:43 PM
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22. Come on people. If Jesus came back today, he would be bombing and torturing
and hanging out at black tie fundraisers.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:44 PM
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23. Learn math, idiot. If 95% of Americans celebrate Christmas then
obviously the left celebrates it too.

If the left celebrates Christmas, it's not anti-Christmas.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:55 PM
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25. I think invoking Stephen Colbert's remarks on the subject would be appropriate at this point
"Posting the ten commandments in public buildings or banning homosexual unions is small government. But if they're caring for the poor, turning the other cheek, or sitting down with tax gatherers, that's big government. To put it simpler, mentioning Jesus in your speech is small government; Doing what Jesus asked is big government."

- Stephen Colbert
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 02:08 PM
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27. I'm surprised that she hasn't been on Colbert.
I know that would be a fun show.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 02:10 PM
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28. Maybe she's smart enough not to go on
I remember I nearly fell out of my chair when he had the woman on who believes in repealing women's rights.
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 02:00 PM
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26. Whoa Nelly!
came across a bumper sticker the other day while Christmas shopping that proudly proclaimed "Jesus was a liberal." Of course, this gave me great pause.
It gave her great pause because it took her a long time to process this amazing concept. But after a few scary moments she knew this couldn't be true because all liberals are devils in disguise.

Why do people like this embarrass themselves by writing this drivel? Any rational person with more than half a brain understands that those who support the concept of allowing lesbians to marry doesn't equate to believing all families should be headed by lesbians! Just because liberals believe the government should provide a safety net for those in need does not mean we believe everyone should be given a handout.

People who write this kind of insulting crap deserve to be humiliated publicly. This is just incredibly hateful stuff.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 02:14 PM
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29. That's one hell of a straw man she's attacking.
That's why it is REALLY important to define terms before any discussion so you know WTF you're talking about.

Her definition of "liberal" is "limb of Satan." It bears no relation to reality whatsoever.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 02:30 PM
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30. As a liberal Christian, I have a problems with this.
First of all, Jesus did not say anything like "teaching a man to fish to eat for life, rather to give a man a fish each day because the man would never amount to anything anyway"--that's an old Chinese saying. She should re-read the Gospels.

Mary did have the right to choose. She could have said no but chose not to. It is her humble acceptance of being the God-bearer that we revere and celebrate, that a human could go into that kind of situation, eyes wide open, and still say yes. She should re-read her theology.

There is no war on Christmas, and the ACLU has defended Christians many times. She should re-read our history.

I find her last paragraph completely odd. She's obviously angry that someone would interpret the Beatitudes and Two Greatest Commandments as liberal (which they are), but she makes little sense in trying to say that conservatives are about loving others and centering their hearts on God, not self. If conservatives really are about the Second Greatest Commandment, they have an odd way of showing it when they advocate killing innocents in a country across the world (which used to have Christians living there until we invaded) and can't even try to love the people who own the cars they pass by on the way to spending every last dime they have on commercially celebrating a Savior who spoke out against that sort of thing.

Odd person.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 02:34 PM
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31. I think the quote about the fish is from Lao Tzu, not Jesus.
At least that's what I find searching the web. In any case, I think most liberals believe strongly in education and job training, so they would agree with that quote.
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MamaBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 02:42 PM
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32. Dear Katharine DeBrecht:
Baby Jesus grew up and had a few things to say. Among other things, he said we should forgive. How many times, he was asked. Seven?

Seventy times seven, he answered.

So forgive us, please, for not seeing things the way you do, for not interpreting your scriptures the way your minister does. We prefer to think read the text and do our own analysis. Are we in error? Misled? If so, maybe forgiveness is in order.

By the way, Ms. DeBrecht, how do you interpret "The Meek shall inherit the earth" or "Blessed are the peacemakers" or the injunction not to bother about the mote in somebody else's eye until you've taken care of the beam in your own?

That's what the adult Jesus was talking about, at least according to the Book I read.
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