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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 07:36 PM
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Freepers eat their own
Neanderthals Were Cannibals, Study Confirms

Andrea Thompson
LiveScience Staff Writer
http://www.livescience.com">LiveScience.com

Neanderthals suffered periods of starvation and may have supplemented their diet through cannibalism, according to a study of remains from northwest Spain.

Paleobiologists studied samples from eight 43,000-year-old Neanderthal skeletons excavated from an underground cave in El Sidrón, Spain since 2000. The study sheds light on how Neanderthals lived before the arrival of modern humans in Europe.

Researchers found cut marks and evidence that bones had been torn apart, which they say could indicate cannibalism.

"There is strong evidence suggesting that these Neanderthals were eaten," said the study's lead author, Antonio Rosas of the Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales in Madrid. "That is, long bones and the skull were broken for extraction of the marrow, is very nutritious."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20061204/sc_livescience/neanderthalswerecannibalsstudyconfirms&printer=1
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 07:38 PM
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1. Excellent thread title. I was totally drawn in.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 07:39 PM
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2. remember the movie "Quest for fire"
it portrayed cannibalism. Not a surprise.
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 07:42 PM
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3. You don't have to go that far back
so did the mormons. The Donner bunch had their own dirty little secret.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 07:46 PM
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6. And the Uruguayan soccer team when their plane crashed in the Andes
Did you hear about the cannibal who passed his brother in the jungle?







:evilgrin:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 07:44 PM
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4. The comparison to Freepers does the Neanderthals a disservice
They were much smarter than Freepers.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 07:44 PM
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5. Homo Sapeins Sapiens are also cannibals
when they are starving, as can be seen from evidence in the American Southwest, among other places.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 07:48 PM
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7. Homo sapiens ate them
This conjecture is as likely as the one about Neanderthal cannibalism.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 07:58 PM
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8. In all of the hundreds of hours of "Holocaust" documentaries
that I've seen in my life, I've only seen ONE that mentioned the fact that hungry Jewish concentration camp survivors engaged in cannibalism in the camps in which the crematoriums couldn't keep pace.

The cannibalism ocurred after their nazi captors abandoned the camps and before the western soldiers liberated them.

Understandably, concentration camp survivors are hesitant to discuss the details.


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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 09:35 PM
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9. I hate to say it, but haven't we all seen cannibalism among Democrats too?
Just check out any thread about any potential candidate for 2008.
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praeclarus Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 09:37 PM
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10. what if...
... that particular cave full had encountered
some strange circumstances? Like the Donners
or the Argentinian soccer team who's plane crashed?

Based on those two cases do we say Homo Sapiens
supplement their diet through cannibalism?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 09:41 PM
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11. Go read about the whale ship Essex
THE ESSEX DISASTER

She was the first whaleship ever sunk by her prey. But that’s not why she’s remembered.

by Walter Karp
Illustrated by Burt Silverman

FOR THE WHALING MEN OF NANTUCKET, the year 1819 looked to be an especially promising one. The island’s famed whaling fleet, ravaged by the 1812 war, now numbered sixty-one stout vessels, and fresh fishing grounds had just been discovered in the equatorial waters of the central Pacific. The new grounds lay 17,000 sailing miles away in ill-charted seas, but Nantucketers routinely made voyages whose immense length only a handfulof great explorers could match. Reaching the grounds usually meant rounding Cape Horn, but Nantucketers had been doubling the dreaded Cape since 1792. Their quarry was the sperm whale, whose peerless oil lit the ballrooms of Europe. Of the thirty vessels leaving Nantucket in 1819, fifteen were bound for the new grounds. One of them, the whaleship Independence II, would discover an entire new atoll in the central Pacific. Another, the Maro, would sail beyond the new grounds and hit upon still richer grounds off Japan, thereby inaugurating Nantucket’s palmiest days. And then there was the whaleship Essex, which embarked from Nantucket on August 12,1819, and sailed into the most harrowing nightmare in the disaster-rich annals of whaling.

The doomed bear no marks of distinction. When the Essex sailed for the southern seas, it was just a typical Nantucket whaler with a typical whaling crew. The ship was a tubby, 238-ton three-master, provisioned for a two-and-a-half year cruise, which meant quite literally that it could sail for two-and-a-half years without putting into port. Nantucket’s self-reliant whaling men disliked depending on the land, of which they were often remarkably ignorant. The two chief officers of the Essex were well-tested Nantucket whalemen. George Pollard, recently first mate of the Essex, was now, at age thirty, its captain. His comparative youth was typical; whaling was a young man’s occupation. Owen Chase, recently boatsteerer on the Essex, was now, at twenty-three, its first mate. Outlanders in the twenty-man crew included one Englishman, one Portuguese, two Cape Codders from Barnstable, and six black men. Their presence, too, was quite commonplace. Nantucket’s ship owners, half of them Quakers, cared nothing about race. “Uncommonly heedful of what manner of men they shipped,” as Herman Melville was to put it, they wanted strong character, firm minds, and high courage in their crews. Hunting the mighty sperm whale, whose twenty-foot flukes could smash a whaleboat to smithereens, was too dangerous and exacting for anything less. There was no poltroonery aboard the Essex, only relative degrees of valor.

For the first fifteen months of the voyage, nothing out of the ordinary occurred. There were storms, spills, bruises and smashed whaleboats—the routine hazards of the hunt. By January 1820 the Essex had doubled the Horn in the teeth of gales so fierce and seas so mountainous it had taken five weeks to make the brief passage. For several months thereafter the ship had hunted whales off the Chilean coast—the familiar “on-shore grounds”—and taken eight. Heading north off the Peruvian coast it had taken several more. The cruise was already proving successful. In October the Essex had put into the uninhabited Galápagos Islands (which a young naturalist named Charles Darwin was to visit fourteen years later aboard H.M.S. Beagle) in order to repair a leak and stock up on the island’s huge turtles before plunging westward along the equator to the new whaling grounds.

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On the strength of one and a half ounces of daily bread and the fortitude of a twenty-three-year-old leader, the will to live remained intact for several days more in Chase’s boat, although it was not until January 28 that a favoring wind at last began to blow strong and steadily. It had come, it seemed, too late. On the morning of February 7, Chase’s men had but three days of food left—twelve mouthfuls of bread—and several hundred miles still to go. “Our sufferings were now drawing to a close; a terrible death appeared shortly to await us. ” That morning Isaac Cole told Chase that all was “dark” in his mind, “not a single ray of hope was left for him to dwell upon. ” Chase, as always, tried to buoy him up, although what it was that still buoyed Chase, “God alone knows,” as he himself put it. Once again, however, the wish not to live brought a sentence of death. On the morning of February 8, Cole went mad, called wildly for a napkin and water, and then fell back senseless into the bottom of the boat. Seven hours later, after suffering hideous convulsions, Cole passed away. The next morning, when his mates began preparing his body for sea burial, Chase told his two remaining men the decision he had reached in the night. The mortal remains of Isaac Cole must not be consigned to the sea. It was the food that might yet save them. There was no argument. At once the three men cut the wasted limbs from Cole’s body and the stilled heart from his chest. Some of the raw flesh they ate at once. The rest they cooked on a flat rock that they had taken with them from Henderson’s Island. “In this manner did we dispose of our fellow-sufferer.” Dark thoughts now preyed on the minds of the three survivors. “We knew not then to whose lot it would fall next, either to die or be shot and eaten like the poor wretch we had just dispatched.” The fate they so dreaded when they had turned their backs on Tahiti was now threatening each of them.

The rest: http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1983/3/1983_3_49.shtml
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 09:42 PM
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12. When will the cavemman hate stop?


shame!


(BTW, I LOVE these commercials)
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