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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:59 PM
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Unpacking The Invisible Knapsack Of Racism And Racial Slavery
Racism and racial slavery

MAKING USE OF the latest research, Blackburn's work confirms the outline developed by Williams. Williams had argued that "slavery was not born of racism: rather racism was the consequence of slavery".2 Blackburn outlines the various ways in which the relationship between skin colour and slavery developed to produce racist social formations and ideologies.

The extremely hard conditions of the plantation colonies meant that the owners, and the colonial authorities, always faced the possibility of revolt. As long as black slaves and white servants worked alongside each other this included the possibility of joint action, however temporary. In 1676, for example, Bacon's rebellion in Virginia had involved servants, slaves and freemen.

Rare as such risings might have been, they terrified those in authority. Increasingly, laws were passed to enforce racial segregation. Such laws helped to create a form of racial solidarity among the white colonists. Increasingly whites, even poor whites, could identify themselves as a part of the privileged race. The privilege of their colour exempted them from slavery and granted them certain civil rights. The plantation owners' fear of resistance and rebellion evolved into a more general white fear of black rebellion. In these ways slavery was crucial to forming the new racial identities in the American colonies.

These new identities and structures tended to undermine white opposition to slavery. Slavery came to be identified with black Africans. In turn, black people were identified as slaves or potential slaves. These racial divisions were sharpest in the English-speaking colonies in the Caribbean and North America. In the Spanish, Portuguese and French territories there developed a far bigger free black population. Here blacks could begin to demand some of the rights of the white citizen. In the English colonies such a blurring of the racial boundaries was not allowed to emerge and the number of free blacks remained small.

http://www.socialismtoday.org/33/slavery33.html
 
The first, and perhaps most crucial, fear is that of facing the fact that some of what we white people have is unearned. It's a truism that we don't really make it on our own; we all have plenty of help to achieve whatever we achieve. That means that some of what we have is the product of the work of others, distributed unevenly across society, over which we may have little or no control individually. No matter how hard we work or how smart we are, we all know -- when we are honest with ourselves -- that we did not get where we are by merit alone. And many white people are afraid of that fact.
 
A second fear is crasser: White people's fear of losing what we have -- literally the fear of losing things we own if at some point the economic, political, and social systems in which we live become more just and equitable. That fear is not completely irrational; if white privilege -- along with the other kinds of privilege many of us have living in the middle class and above in an imperialist country that dominates much of the rest of the world -- were to evaporate, the distribution of resources in the United States and in the world would change, and that would be a good thing. We would have less. That redistribution of wealth would be fairer and more just. But in a world in which people have become used to affluence and material comfort, that possibility can be scary.
 
A third fear involves a slightly different scenario -- a world in which non-white people might someday gain the kind of power over whites that whites have long monopolized. One hears this constantly in the conversation about immigration, the lingering fear that somehow "they" (meaning not just Mexican-Americans and Latinos more generally, but any non-white immigrants) are going to keep moving to this country and at some point become the majority demographically. Even though whites likely can maintain a disproportionate share of wealth, those numbers will eventually translate into political, economic, and cultural power. And then what? Many whites fear that the result won't be a system that is more just, but a system in which white people become the minority and could be treated as whites have long treated non-whites. This is perhaps the deepest fear that lives in the heart of whiteness. It is not really a fear of non-white people. It's a fear of the depravity that lives in our own hearts: Are non-white people capable of doing to us the barbaric things we have done to them?
 
A final fear has probably always haunted white people but has become more powerful since the society has formally rejected overt racism: The fear of being seen, and seen-through, by non-white people. Virtually every white person I know, including white people fighting for racial justice and including myself, carries some level of racism in our minds and hearts and bodies. In our heads, we can pretend to eliminate it, but most of us know it is there. And because we are all supposed to be appropriately anti-racist, we carry that lingering racism with a new kind of fear: What if non-white people look at us and can see it? What if they can see through us? What if they can look past our anti-racist vocabulary and sense that we still don't really know how to treat them as equals? What if they know about us what we don't dare know about ourselves? What if they can see what we can't even voice?

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=30&ItemID=8698

"Still I Rise" by Maya Angelou

You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.

Does my sassiness upset you?
Why are you beset with gloom?
'Cause I walk like I've got oil wells
Pumping in my living room.

Just like moons and like suns,
With the certainty of tides,
Just like hopes springing high,
Still I'll rise.

Did you want to see me broken?
Bowed head and lowered eyes?
Shoulders falling down like teardrops.
Weakened by my soulful cries.

Does my haughtiness offend you?
Don't you take it awful hard
'Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
Diggin' in my own back yard.

You may shoot me with your words,
You may cut me with your eyes,
You may kill me with your hatefulness,
But still, like air, I'll rise.

Does my sexiness upset you?
Does it come as a surprise
That I dance like I've got diamonds
At the meeting of my thighs?

Out of the huts of history's shame
I rise
Up from a past that's rooted in pain
I rise
I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide,
Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
I rise
Into a daybreak that's wondrously clear
I rise
Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave,
I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
I rise
I rise
I rise.



Poor whites are rarely typified as pathological, dangerous, lazy or shiftless the way poor blacks are, for example. Nor are they demonized the way poor Latino/a immigrants tend to be.

When politicians want to scapegoat welfare recipients they don’t pick Bubba and Crystal from some Appalachian trailer park; they choose Shawonda Jefferson from the Robert Taylor Homes, with her seven children. And according to reports from a number of states, ever since so-called welfare reform, white recipients have been treated far better by caseworkers, are less likely to be bumped off the rolls for presumed failure to comply with new regulations, and have been given far more assistance at finding new jobs than their black or brown counterparts.

Poor whites are more likely to have a job, tend to earn more than poor people of color, and are even more likely to own their own home. Indeed, whites with incomes under $13,000 annually are more likely to own their own home than blacks with incomes that are three times higher due to having inherited property.

None of this is to say that poor whites aren’t being screwed eight ways to Sunday by an economic system that relies on their immiseration: they are. But they nonetheless retain a certain “one-up” on equally poor or even somewhat better off people of color thanks to racism.

http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2002-06/24wise.cfm
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 09:08 PM
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1. or not... nt
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 09:45 AM
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19. ...
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 12:27 AM
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2. "we did not get where we are by merit alone"
Without racism, all of those "patriots" wouldn't have had the energy or the inclination to cultivate their "revolutionary" reverence for "liberty and freedom"; they'd have been working so hard trying to make a go of their little agrarian model (without the blood and sweat of slaves and the divisiveness of racism) they might have realized the true value of the labor of any human, understanding true equality rather than puffing up the cause of "white man", alone. By tucking in their little "3/5 clause" the rise of the power of the slave-owners was sealed by the "founders" and the road to the prosperity of capitalism was paved, burying any hope of rights for people of color. No matter how poor some of those colonial whites were, they had the security of their "race" to comfort them and blind them to the true nature of a wicked budding class system. And that has yet to change.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 01:52 AM
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3. this is a great post, Jcrowley
...and I'm glad you posted it in a thread of it's own.

The 1st and 4th fears are what I consider "soft racism," if there's such a thing at all - the kind that keeps otherwise liberal-minded whites from bringing a black person into their personal sphere (cultivating friendship as opposed to just being co-workers, for example; however, that does have to be reciprocal). That 2nd fear is what keeps many poor whites in the Republican fold, where they vote against their best interests - the kind signified by code words like "cutting taxes," which, translated, means cutting entitlements, specifically welfare (see the wikipedia entry for Lee Atwater, for anyone who doubts that). The 3rd fear is what kept apartheid alive in South Africa for decades after the world had condemned them.

I imagine everyone has some form of racism lurking somewhere, unless they're extraordinarily self-aware and ultra vigilant. That's the only way for racism to ever be eliminated, if it's even possible - for everyone to work on themselves - because you can't change people who've been made comfortable by their fears.

Great post! :thumbsup:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 09:45 AM
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4. I and Other...
The first step in unraveling the web of lies and deceit that poisons our societies is to ADMIT THERE IS A PROBLEM. It is deep and ongoing and, no, has not gotten significantly better in my nearly 6 decades on this planet.
Cosmetic adjustments like water fountains, beaches and bus seats were only the beginning.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 09:49 AM
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5. Thanks
and here's an article by Molly Secours on that topic http://www.blackcommentator.com/208/208_richards_50_shots_secours_guest.html that acknowledges the problem and not defends it.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:08 AM
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6. A snip from Molly's article...
"It is impossible to be raised in a society where white supremacy is one of the founding principles and not entertain racist notions. It’s too deeply engrained for any of us to boast of immunity. Simply impossible.

If we could somehow grasp the notion that it is only to the degree that we acknowledge and unearth the racist notions that lie hidden in all of us—often just beneath the surface-- that we will become ‘less racist’."

I wish every Mensch on this board would meditate on those 4 sentences...
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 09:02 PM
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16. From article
"If only we were less concerned with being labeled “a racist” and more concerned about the systemic and institutional damage inflicted on people of color on a daily basis. Maybe then we could transform our outrage and indignation of overt bigotry and violence into something meaningful. Perhaps even something that would prevent innocent young men from dying at the hands of those sworn to protect us—ALL of us."

Says alot.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:11 AM
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7. While this article may make a few valid points, it is still playing that same old game
Edited on Wed Dec-06-06 10:33 AM by MadHound
Promoting a racial divide, stirring the pot from one racial direction or another by using broad brush attacks, and thus dividing a broad group of people along racial lines. Poor and middle class blacks and whites have more in common with each other than with the upper class. Yet as you pointed out, tactics of racial seperation have been perpetrated since the days of Bacon in order to keep these two groups from uniting. I consider this article to be more of the same, albeit from coming from a different angle. Rather than pointing out, as has been the traditional case, that blacks are the bad guy, it is pointing out that whites are the bad guy. Stirring the pot, stirring the pot, got to keep those people divided against each other.

Can we possibly get beyond the hatred/blame/ recrimination game and finally realize who the real bad guy is and always has been? You know, the upper class power brokers who have developed sophisticated means of manipulating those in the lower classes so they continue to blame each other, anybody, everybody except those who truly deserve it, the upper class.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:31 AM
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8. That cannot happen
until the manifestations and ravages of racism in America are admitted and confronted. Once that is accomplished perhaps the role of the "bad guy" in Iraq will become more clear.

"Poor and middle class blacks have more in common with each other than with the upper class."

As do poor and middle class of all variations. :shrug:

"Yet as you pointed out, tactics of racial seperation have been perpetrated since the days of Bacon in order to keep these two groups from uniting. I consider this article to be more of the same, albeit from coming from a different angle."

How is addressing an issue that poisons the soul of your country keeping two groups from uniting? WHICH "two" groups? :shrug: Just need clarification.

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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:46 AM
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9. Sorry, edited previous post for clarity,
That's what I get for posting shortly after getting up.

Frankly I think that the manifestations and ravages of racism in America have been admitted and confronted over the course of the past fifty years. Are there still racists in this country? Yes, on both sides of the racial divide,but such an attitude is now seen as a social liability amongst the vast majority of Americans. Do racist acts still occurr, certainly, again on both sides of the racial divide, and again, the vast majority of American society sees this sort of action as repugnant.

What I'm trying to say here is that by continuing to play this blame game that broad brushes whites as racist all we're doing is continuing to keep the races divided, suspicious and wary of each other, divided in order that we can all be better held in our place by our real, common enemy, the power brokers of the rich and well off.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 12:51 PM
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10. Here is the first error:
"Frankly I think that the manifestations and ravages of racism in America have been admitted and confronted over the course of the past fifty years."

Are you over 50?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 01:18 PM
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12. What does my age have to do with this being an error in your opinion?
No, I'm not quite over fifty. But I have seen a great deal of progress in the last forty years of my life, and furthermore I am a good student of history. On what grounds do you dispute my assertion?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 08:06 PM
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14. Please, MadHound
My communication intent is that we finally somehow CONNECT. I've been a presence on this board for 5 years and a "presence" in white America for longer than you've been alive. I integrated the elementary school. I was and STILL AM the "token." I see racism from a vantage point that you cannot as I HAVE LIVED IT. What I really so want from you is that you ASK rather than assert. I'm an old woman. If you have any interest, perhaps you could persuade me to tell you about my experiences.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 06:37 PM
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13. I agree. Stirring the pot and I call "bullshit", too.
Edited on Wed Dec-06-06 06:39 PM by unc70
Unsupported assertions are not facts. And a single obvious exception nullifies the author's argument.

"Poor whites are rarely typified as pathological, dangerous, lazy or shiftless the way poor blacks are, for example."

Let me "declare bullshit" and suggest he research terms like "white trash". And also study the white-on-white and black-on-black name calling. Or between religions, even in very subtle ways. "Lacking the Protestant work ethic" seems so much more polite than "No dogs or Irish allowed".

I would also want to see verifiable data on Wise's claims when comparing poor blacks and whites. There are an incredible number of confounding factors that are often glossed over to make a point. How much does rural/urban effect own/rent among the poor, black or white?

Also on the biases in various social services/welfare programs. There are some in various directions and usually against the rules. Broad general statements need to be backed up by examples. There are also often mandated procedures that screw up how things work or should work.(Saved for a later rant.)


Study the work of John Hope Franklin and similar scholars. I would love to have a discussion on what impact his work could have on helping all of us better understand each other by re-examining those shared myths that pass for history.

I have seen a lot of racism, having grown up white in the segregated South. My generation is much less racist than my parent's is (becoming was), and those under 30 seem much more accepting of everyone else on all dimensions, race being just one of them.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 08:36 PM
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15. You're in defensive mode.
WHY?
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 10:45 AM
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20. My post was responding to MadHound, not you.
Not sure why my post appeared after yours; it has an earlier timestamp. My complaint about assertions wasn't following up to your "assert", but was mostly directed to the articles linked from the OP.

I am probably "defensive" because I have been involved in several of the "abandon the South" threads at DU and elsewhere (e.g. Salon) which mostly become a bashing of all things Southern, particularly those who are white and therefore incorrigible racists.

My complaints with the linked articles is that they are full of unsubstantiated claims, some of which I personally know to be false. In his smug little article, Wise appears naive about slurs and slang (and etymology), on all but white-on-black racism, and on how social services are delivered (and not). I get particularly irritated by sloppy, poorly designed and interpreted research and writing in the social sciences. Lately, I seem to be in rant mode almost as often as by college classmate Lewis Black.

Yes, we all have racism/tribalism and some of it is literally in our DNA. From infancy, we respond most positively to those who look most like ourselves and our family. Other parts are cultural. But overall, each generation is more accepting of things that are different, probably because of the everyday exposure most of us get to people with all sorts of ethnic, religious, racial, sexual variety.

I am a white male nearly 60 in NC who remembers segregation well, attended public schools that were integrated when I was in high school and did what I could to help make that go smoothly, then and now. I recently had a too-short discussion with the first black student in my class at a previously all-white school 45 years ago, what it had been like being chosen by the black community to be the "first" ("What were my parents thinking?"), what they experienced then, how much people and things have changed now, and what remains to done.

As I recently stated in another thread, I have been re-evaluating what I thought I knew of about the South, slavery, my family, and myself in light of the work of scholars like John Hope Franklin. I believe that many of us are on these same paths of discovery.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:25 PM
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21. Those "bash the South" threads
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 12:30 PM by Karenina
regularly make the rounds here and have since this board's inception. Every time we get another wave of them I holler "Praises to Elad!" at my monitor and hit the "hide thread" option he developed. Helps to keep my BP down. ;-) People tend to use them to point a finger of blame and absolve themselves of any responsibility while basking in assumptions of their "geographical superiority." Racism is ubiquitous in America.

I appreciate reading your thoughtful post and am delighted that you bring up Dr. Franklin's work. Welcome to DU! :toast:

http://www.pbs.org/journeytopeace/meettutu/past.html

<snip>

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Now this is, I think, when, perhaps, the attempt in South Africa to have a Truth And Reconciliation Commission may be something that the United States might want to look into, which is that part of that process consisted in letting people tell their story, tell the story of what happened to them.

And since most of them were the very marginalized, the anonymous ones, the ones whom the world didn't think really mattered, who were able to come and be able to tell their story in this forum, set up by a President that they loved. That assisted them in rehabilitating their dignity.

It was painful, obviously, because people were relating things that may have happened 10, 20 years ago. But it was like opening wounds that you thought had healed, but in fact had festered. You opened those wounds and in the telling you were cleansing them, and enabling the nation, as it were, to pour ointment on them.

And I think that sort of just looking at your own country from the outside, but why you will constantly seem to have these eruptions of racist incidents is that, on the whole, you have not dealt with the legacy of here, of this point of no return. But there is an ache sitting in the pit of the tummy of most black Americans.

DR. FRANKLIN: There's no question about that. I, I thi--I hope we'll have a chance to discuss, at greater length, the analogy, or the possible analogy between the South African experience and the experience in the United States.

But I think, at least for the time-being, without getting too far into it, for the time-being, I think there are examples which can be followed, and which we've sought to follow in a humble and modest way. Namely, the, the kind of effort we have made in the last year to get people to--

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Talk.

DR. FRANKLIN: Talking about the past and so forth. One of the problems is that we've, we've done such a poor job--

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Yes.

DR. FRANKLIN: --so far as memory is concerned, that it is difficult for us to summon up the real experiences of slavery.

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Yes.

DR. FRANKLIN: That ended, after all, more than 140 years ago.

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Yes; yes.

DR. FRANKLIN: We, we have all kinds of humiliating and, uh, terrible experiences since that time, but they are the product--

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Yes.

DR. FRANKLIN: --of that basic institution of slavery, that ended in nine--in 1865. So that what you say is very well-taken, and we, we certainly ought to enter into whatever it is that we can do--

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Yes.

DR. FRANKLIN: --to eliminate the kind of, of, of--I would call it almost moral rot, that is, the kind of, of--of degradation, the kind of humiliation, the kind of discrimination that has gone on and on, and at times even thrived in, in the post-Emancipation years.

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Yes; yes.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:03 AM
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33. I mostly agree because the entire time that there was the case
of slavery, there was also a native american population as well as an increasing "meztizo" population from what we now call Latin America that were being (are being) treated as less than human to a degree. Slavery didn't create those "races" yet the ruling class clearly felt entitled to treat them as more or less inanimate resource.

I just read in Gore Vidal's first memoir a Stalin quote to this effect: "The undesireable classes do not kill themselve off on their own."



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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:42 PM
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45. It continues to fail on DU...
DR. FRANKLIN: There's no question about that. I, I thi--I hope we'll have a chance to discuss, at greater length, the analogy, or the possible analogy between the South African experience and the experience in the United States.

But I think, at least for the time-being, without getting too far into it, for the time-being, I think there are examples which can be followed, and which we've sought to follow in a humble and modest way. Namely, the, the kind of effort we have made in the last year to get people to--

ARCHBISHOP TUTU: Talk.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 12:53 PM
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11. K&R/nt
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 09:19 PM
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17. "A Covenant with Death and an Agreement with Hell"
Edited on Wed Dec-06-06 09:26 PM by pat_k
As we challenge Members of Congress to defend the Constitution by impeaching Bush and Cheney, we must remember the lessons of the http://www.masshist.org/objects/2005july.cfm">"convenant with death and agreement with hell" (abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison) we made at our founding.

As the DC Dems blather about the need for "bipartisanhship" in Bush World, let's remind each other, and them, of the horrors that such political "give and take" gave us in 1787.

http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2000/winter/garrisons-constitution-1.html?template=print">Garrison's Constitution: The Covenant with Death and How It Was Made

. . .This did not surprise the Garrisonians, who understood that the Constitution was heavily influenced by slaveowners. The Garrisonians did not necessarily see the Constitution as the result of a deliberate conspiracy of evil men; rather, they understood it to be the consequence of political give-and-take at the Convention of 1787. . .


The price -- moral and material -- of that "convenant" can never be fully paid. (Reparations can't repair the damage, but perhaps it would force the nation to confront the truth head on -- but that crucial question is for another discussion.)

We have effected "repairs" to the Constitution itself through amendment, but the nation will always be stained by the fact that, in the same document that we established our most treasured principles and institutions, we violated those principles to enslave our fellow human beings within our newly founded nation.

Our "covenant with death and agreement with hell" serves as stark and compelling example of how low we can fall when we allow the dictates of our Constitution to be compromised or violated.

You would think that such a lesson, once learned, would never be forgotten, but apparently too many of us have forgotten it. We are seeing unbelievable horrors every day that Members of Congress allow Bush and Cheney to abuse and violate the Constitution to commit war crimes, operate their criminal surveillance program, and advance the interests of their tiny cabal at the expense of the rest of us.

We must stop tolerating the intolerable.

We are long past the need for "investigation." It is time for Members of Congress to draft Articles of Impeachment and make the case. It has been "time" for years. Continued and unnecessary delay is dereliction.


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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:52 AM
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18. Thank you for those links!
Great post, Pat_k!

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The rally began with a prayer and a hymn. Then Garrison launched into one of the most controversial performances of his career. "To-day, we are called to celebrate the seventy-eighth anniversary of American Independence. In what spirit?" he asked, "with what purpose? to what end?" The Declaration of Independence had declared "that all men are created equal ... It is not a declaration of equality of property, bodily strength or beauty, intellectually or moral development, industrial or inventive powers, but equality of RIGHTS--not of one race, but of all races."

Since the early 1830s, Garrisonian antislavery advocates had adopted the message of black abolitionists in denouncing the sin of slavery and of racial prejudice. In words familiar to his audience, Garrison repeated the decades-old warnings that freedom did not exist in the South; who there, he declared, could "avow his belief in the inalienable rights of man, irrespective of complexional caste?" The church in the South, a frequent target of abolitionists, lay outside of Christendom, and was nothing but a "cage of unclean birds, and the synagogue of Satan." Garrison ventured into new territory with his warning that slavery had strengthened--not weakened--since he had begun his antislavery career. Slavery and its minions jeopardized freedom everywhere and its advocates, he warned, intended to tighten their grasp over the Caribbean, expand into Central and South America, and even extend the cursed institution into the Pacific. Freedom was disappearing. What could there be to celebrate on July 4? he asked.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. "So perish all compromises with tyranny!"

. . .
Garrison then produced a copy of the 1850 Fugitive Slave Law and put a match to it. . . Holding up a copy of the U.S. Constitution, he branded it as "the source and parent of all the other atrocities--'a covenant with death, and an agreement with hell.'" As the nation's founding document burned to ashes, he cried out: "So perish all compromises with tyranny!"

http://www.masshist.org/objects/2005july.cfm?display=print">More. . .


Delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 hotly debated the issue of slavery. George Mason of Virginia argued eloquently against slavery, warning his fellow delegates:
"Every master of slaves is born a petty tyrant. They bring the judgment of heaven on a country. As nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, they must be in this. By an inevitable chain of causes and effects, providence punishes national sins by national calamities."

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/thirteenthamendment.html">More. . .


As we invoke the "wisdom" of the founders and call on the Democratic leadership to champion "We the People" and the principle of consent -- the sole moral principle on which the Constitution, and therefore the nation, was founded -- I would like to see more of us acknowledge the perversion of excluding 20% of us by arbitrarily defining an entire race as "non-people" so that we could continue to enslave them -- an intolerable state that "We the People" tolerated for 87 years.

Words are powerful and I've been trying to figure out a modifier we could build into our rhetoric that would capture and acknowledge that "original sin."

I haven't come up with anything yet, but I do see an opportunity to turn our current fight to impeach and reassert our collective sovereignty into a fight for a "refounding" in which we recreate the idea of a true America and confront and seek ways to end or make amends for the many intolerable states and acts we have tolerated as a nation -- from the most egregious (enslaving a fifth of our population for 87 years) to the more recent (two stolen presidential elections and the surrender of our collective sovereignty to a tiny cabal that terrorized us into a criminal war of aggression and transformed the United States into a war criminal nation) to conditions we are tolerating in the present (the rise of the new American aristocracy and the increasingly insurmountable economic stratification that relegates a majority of the nation to sharing a tiny fraction of our collective "pie").

With every crisis there is opportunity. Perhaps as more and more of us connect with each other and say "this is NOT my idea of a true America" we can pull it off. It is committing to http://www.wordspy.com/words/BHAG.asp">BHAGs (big, hairy, audacious, goals) that makes great things possible.


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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. My first BHAG
would have to be REMOVING the *MIC from Iraq. Like YESTERDAY.

Second: Fine EVERYONE who voted for IWR a minimum of $1 million (max, say 25 mil determined by gross assets) which would go directly into EXPANDING services at the V.A. Can you imagine the consciousness of a citizenry that could impose such accountability?

Hmmm...

"So perish all compromises with tyranny!" printed on flash paper. (Just thinking out loud. :silly:)

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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:06 PM
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23. Opps -- moved to post I intended to reply to.
Edited on Thu Dec-07-06 01:12 PM by pat_k
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #23
42. This post is an edit to #41
which by the time I clicked on update had expired.

On edit: It seems impossible to get a dialogue going here unless it's a hot-button topic like reparations, affirmative action, the prospect of a white celeb getting sued or Cynthia McKinney. In those cases threads garner incredible, to the point of laughable, participation.

It also seems that the kind of exchange that could begin to heal us is avoided and ignored. The CONTENT of what Jcrowley posted has yet to be addressed. The few who have checked in have abandoned the discussion post haste. WHY???

In my view it is the SAME REASON the genocide in Iraq continues unabated.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 12:30 PM
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22. Well this is Socialist
They can't envision a solution in which things get better for everyone, so they fight for a world in which the American middle class and upper class (which is largely but not exclusively white) gets what's coming to them. Kind of a hard thing to sell.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. That was a strange analysis...
How did you feel about Jensen's article?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. I don't know what's strange about it - it's printed in
Socialism Today - that should give a pretty good clue as to it's point of view.

Basically the argument is that white people of middle class or higher have to commit to giving their children a worse lifestyle than they themselves enjoyed. It also ascribes to racism things that could just as easily be class derived. Presumably because racism is, legitimately, a stronger word. Accusing someone of being middle class and complacent isn't nearly as bad as accusing them of being racist.

Bryant
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Observing racism and commenting
is a MUCH BIGGER taboo than the behaviour that elicited notice.

"Basically the argument is that white people of middle class or higher have to commit to giving their children a worse lifestyle than they themselves enjoyed."

BTW... the ice caps are melting.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #22
31. You're right
giving up one's privilege, which was largely undeserved, is hard to sell amongst the overprivileged. However we are not talking about everyone we are talking about "most." Most people's lives would improve dramatically if the overprivileged would give up what wasn't theirs to begin with. The scant number of "the everyone" that you are referring to would certainly disapprove of living without all of their toys and sacrificing some of their luxuries which they deem to be a "convenience."
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #31
35. The catch is that
they have to acknowledge that first. I'm sure that you've seen the race or affirmative action threads where posters will defend tooth and nail that they have no priviledge, I'm not rich, it isn't me, on and on ad nauseum. Tim Wise talks about that here at http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/WhiteWhine.html
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #35
36. Yes
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 09:32 AM by Jcrowley
It's like coming up against that proverbial brick wall.

From article:
"That's what privilege is, for all those who constantly ask me what I mean when I speak of white privilege. It's the ability to presume that your reality is the reality; that your experiences, if white, are universal, and not particular to your racial identity. It's the ability to assume that you belong and that others will presume that too; the ability to define reality for others, and expect that definition to stick (because you have the power to ensure that it becomes the dominant narrative). And it's the ability to ignore all evidence to the contrary, claim that you yourself are the victim, and get everyone from the President to the Supreme Court to the average white guy on the street to believe it."

Thanks for that. Printed for reference.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. the ability to define reality for others
and expect that definition to stick. NOTHING raises my hackles faster than those who do not understand racism patronizing me with their definitions.

It's the ability to drive without being harassed. It's the ability to walk through a store without being followed. It's the ability to stand in front of a 5 star hotel in an Armani suit and NOT have someone thrust their keys at you admonishing you not to dent their car. It's the ability to sit in a concert hall to hear a string quartet without having hundreds of people STARING at you. It's the ability to step on a train and walk toward your assigned seat in first-class without having the food cart operator block your path saying, "Second class is back there." It's the PRIVILEGE of being oblivious to how daily doses of such experiences wound the spirit...
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Just the minimum of acknowledgement
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 08:30 PM by Jcrowley
followed by the maximum transfer of power. While blacks were gaining 'civil rights' they were losing their land holdings at record rates.

As a white person:
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

<snip>

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

<snip>

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

<snip>

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

<snip>

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

<snip>

50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. I grew up on a farm.
Mr. M. grew tobacco, hogs and chickens. We kids gathered the eggs and graded them. He had a plot of prime property upon which my parents built a house. The white establishment spent 40 years and untold resources in their determination to take over his land. They simply LEGISLATED their theft. The family now retains a scant few acres...
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Believe me, this happens to whites, too.
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 11:41 PM by unc70
Judgements against a single family member can over time become a foreclosure on their real property, including their undivided share (under joint tenancy). Suddenly the land that is so dear, is being sold on the court house steps. If someone in or friendly to the family isn't the successful bidder, the next step is either a request for equitable(?!!) division/distribution.

The legal history of land being from the "Crown" and held by its "owner" for best use produces many injustices (my details kept private). The original intent was to prevent the land from remaining fallow and thus not producing crops taxed by the local lord.

While the USDA loan program discriminated against blacks in some areas, real property law puts everyone at risk.


BTW we can probably swap stories on "topping and suckering", the drowning of biddies in a rainstorm because they stupidly kept looking up, or trying to eliminate the smell of menhadden (fish meal) after feeding hogs.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #46
47. When I looked back as an adult
It was clear how racism had SCREWED ALL but the most successful (of whom Mr. M. was one) and politically connected farmers. The devices used to "take him down a peg" came back and bit so many in the butt that I wonder to this day if "At least we're white." has matured into "WTF were we thinking?"

I have no desire to ever return to the area as it would break my heart. The forests have been felled and the fields paved.

Mr. M. never used that STANKY fish stuff. Corn slop and waste from the neighborhood kitchens (ALL seafood leavings verboten; 'Did you ever see a pig go fishing?') were their gourmet fare. Got chased by a sow once when I got too close to the piglets. Now THAT was scary. ;-)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:06 AM
Response to Reply #22
34. In order to believe that, you first have to believe that
there is such a thing as the American middle class. lol
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #34
37. I recall reading that
19% of Americans believe they are part of the 2% of the wealthiest. :rofl:
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #37
38. Those are the
middle-class "millionaires" who were waiting for their $300 or $600 tax rebate checks from the IRS, while the REAL millionaires are getting rebates in the tens of thousands of dollars. Obviously these are the ones slept through math class.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. I wish I lived delusion. lol
:)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Nah...
The wake-up call shaping up is a beeeyoootch!!! ;-)
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:15 PM
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25. Had to be raciest to just enslave one race considered inferior...DUH..!!!
logic is F'n silly puddly in some peoples minds.. tho Globalism is an equal opportunity enslavement of the poor and disenfranchised

globalism is nothing other than Poppy's NEW WORLD ORDER repackaged not to sound like the F'n Nazi's they were born from
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:34 PM
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27. Boondocks Return of the King
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 06:43 AM
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32. ???
That was the WEIRDEST thing I've ever seen. :crazy:
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