How do the Bushes explain away the Nazi connection ?

[steve2470]

Have they ever been confronted on it ? What sort of lies do they tell to make it look better ? Or do they just shrug and say, oh well that's in the past. When I remember that, any thought of sympathy for Bush41 just flies post-haste out of my neurons. On edit: I am reading the thread below for answers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1547206

and this one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=315277

and this one is golden:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3773867

and here is another gold mine of info:
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/timeline.html
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Bush-Nazi-links.htm

[fooj]

1. Octafish is a gift. I love his posts.

Know your BFEE! Know it WELL.

[Richard Steele]

2. They don't, because NO ONE has ever confronted them on it. nm

[Cleita]

6. Exactly. With the propaganda press we have today, no real reporters or

investigative journalists can get within shouting distance of any of them to ask questions. Remember when Dan Rather confronted Poppy Bush on the air about his role in Iran Contra? Bush yelled at Rather saying that he agreed to talking about the election in the interview and nothing else. I believe this was the beginning of a Bush vendetta on Dan that eventually got him fired from CBS. Don't expect Katie Couric to ask those questions.

[Retrograde]

7. and there's this nagging constitution thingie

As Poppy might call it.

"No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."

"The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."


"Corruption of blood" was an old English concept (other European countries may have had it as well) that essentially says children are responsible for the crimes of their ancestors. Thankfully, the Founders thought it was not a good idea. Bush pere et fils have done enough on their own to keep a responsible press busy for a long time.

Remember General Shalikashvili? Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Clinton? His father didn't just trade with Nazis before his country was invaded, he actively fought for them. Should his son have been barred from his post because of that? Or should we judge people on their own merits - or in the Bush cases, lack of them?

[DavidDvorkin]

8. Nicely put

This idea that anyone should be treated as guilty of a crime because he had a Nazi or pro-Nazi ancestor is revolting.

[WinkyDink]

21. Unless, of course, he HAS committed a crime or three, and has exhibited

Nazi-like proclivities in governance.

[Cleita]

13. All I'm saying is the press has not asked the pertinent questions.

I want to know exactly just how much their relationship with Saudi Arabia is corrupting our government while they are in charge? This has nothing to do with Prescott and everything to do with Bush1 and 2.

[murielm99]

3. Have you ever seen

them held accountable for anything? It does not happen.

I don't remember anyone ever asking them. And if they did, the BFEE would brazen it out. They would ignore the question, or deny, deny, deny. They are good at that. They have that rich peoples' sense of entitlement. Who me? Accountable?

After I read Kitty Kelley's book, I thought about some of the poor people I know. I thought about some of the families around here who might be referred to as trailer trash. I thought about how some of those families, with no income or opportunity, had more dignity and class than the entire Bush clan.

I had never thought that before. I just thought that the Bush family had produced two presidents I disliked. I understand now why the Reagans snubbed them. I did not care for Reagan as a president, either, but I guess he and Nancy knew low-down trash when they saw it. Money has nothing to do with it. Money can't clean up that sort of thing.

Low-class trash would be attracted to Nazi trash like a magnet. Just think about it. The Nazis thought they were elite, too. But they were murderous thugs. They left Europe a shambles. The Bush family will do the same to us if we let them. Trash is attracted to trash.

[nam78_two]

9. pretty much/nt

[steve2470]

4. kick nt

[itsmesgd]

5. He never has to explain anything, nor answer for his actions.

The resaon that he has never be held to criticism is.....Oh look a "gay" wants to get married, Look over there a "brown" person is doing something.....

[Doctor_J]

10. Just like Smirk's arrests, and knocked-up gf, and Laura's manslaughter, and

Poppy's mistress, and Jeb's mistress, it is strictly off-limits for the media.

[SoCalDem]

11. They never HAVE to explain it, because our press is too "polite"

to ever bring it up :puke:

[Cleita]

12. Polite? I think I would call it incompetence, bias or both myself.

They seem to have no problem confronting the Clintons. So much for politeness.

[SoCalDem]

14. They are only polite to republicans because republicans can get them fired

democrats don't do that. (of course democrats don;t control the corporations who hire the newspeople)

[SpiralHawk]

15. Cwhoreporate Media has "assumed the position" and will NEVER

as this OBVIOUS question.

The corrpupt Bush Skull & Bones Occult Cabal should be cronfronted with it's Nazi past, and it torture in the present.

[UTUSN]

16. WHICH Nazis???---there have been so MANY of them, not just Prescott's!!1

Poppy had a named-handful (as opposed to the ones who probably stayed) of Nazis working in his campaign against DUKAKIS. They were outed and had to quit or were fired. Yes, this would be Poppy's OH-WHAT-DIRTY-TRICKS campaign, like now he's CRYING over the dastardly dirty tricks against Jeb Crow Shrub.

Denial is a family trait, nothing new with Shrub.

[rman]

17. Nazi intelligence officers were instrumental in the creation of the CIA

The "Gehlen Organization"

from Steve Kangas' Timeline of CIA Atrocities
http://www.atrocities.net/
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html

"Operation PAPERCLIP – While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America, unpunished, for their use against the Soviets. The most important of these is Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler’s master spy who had built up an intelligence network in the Soviet Union. With full U.S. blessing, he creates the "Gehlen Organization," a band of refugee Nazi spies who reactivate their networks in Russia. These include SS intelligence officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (who massacred Jews in the Holocaust), Klaus Barbie (the "Butcher of Lyon"), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked with Eichmann) and SS Colonel Otto Skorzeny (a personal friend of Hitler’s). The Gehlen Organization supplies the U.S. with its only intelligence on the Soviet Union for the next ten years, serving as a bridge between the abolishment of the OSS and the creation of the CIA.
However, much of the "intelligence" the former Nazis provide is bogus. Gehlen inflates Soviet military capabilities at a time when Russia is still rebuilding its devastated society, in order to inflate his own importance to the Americans (who might otherwise punish him). In 1948, Gehlen almost convinces the Americans that war is imminent, and the West should make a preemptive strike. In the 50s he produces a fictitious "missile gap." To make matters worse, the Russians have thoroughly penetrated the Gehlen Organization with double agents, undermining the very American security that Gehlen was supposed to protect."

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And at some point the CIA started associating with the mafia as a source of clandestine operatives, including assassins. (see "638 ways to kill Castro")

[beth9999]

18. Aren't all...

...Repugs Nazis anyway?

[bobthedrummer]

19. That's a good question that leads to so many others. kick.

And some of the posts and links in this thread are critical to understanding today's LBN (even though much of it is propaganda, psy-ops, and outright information warfare).

[Octafish]

20. Binion: NAZIs & Bush Family History -- USG Investigated Bush Family's Financing Hitler

Here's an excellent overview from Carla Binion in which she credits others, including Christopher Simpson:

Nazis & Bush Family History:
Government Investigated Bush Family's Financing Of Hitler

December 22, 2001 - source: By Carla Binion OnlineJournal.com
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Archive/

This article on Nazis in the Republican party was originally published in Online Journal on 1/28/00. However, the following includes additional information regarding George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert (Bert) Walker, and the fact that the U. S. government investigated their financing of Adolf Hitler.

One book referenced here, Christopher Simpson's "Blowback," was praised by journalist Seymour Hersh as "the ultimate book about the worst kind of cold war thinking." Nora Levin, Director, Holocaust Archive, Gratz College, said "The full story of this country's shameful, cynical collaboration with Nazi criminals has not been told until now with the publication of Simpson's book." Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman said, 'Blowback' is a must read for anyone who wants to understand postwar policy on Nazi war criminals and the cold war."

In another Simpson book, "The Splendid Blonde Beast," the author wrote about George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert Walker. Both Bert Walker and Prescott Bush were powerful financial supporters of Adolf Hitler.

Walker was president of Union Banking Corporation, a firm that traded with Germany and helped German industrialists consolidate Hitler's political power. Simpson says Union Banking became a Nazi money-laundering machine.

Walker helped take over North American operations of Hamburg-Amerika Line, a shipping line and cover for I. G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the U. S. Hamburg-Amerika smuggled in German agents, and brought in money for bribing American politicians to support Hitler. A 1934 congressional investigation showed Hamburg-Amerika subsidized Nazi propaganda efforts in the U. S.

George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, was a board member of Union Banking and a senior partner in a Union Banking affiliate,Äîthe investment firm Brown Brothers, Harriman. The U. S. government investigated both Bert Walker and Prescott Bush, and under the Trading with the Enemy Act seized all shares of Union Banking, including shares held by Prescott Bush. The government held that "huge sections of Prescott Bush's empire had been operated on behalf of Nazi Germany and had greatly assisted the German war effort."


CONTINUED...

http://www.lightwatcher.com/culturejam/nazi_finance.html

You know what scares the pants off these gangsters?

The Truth.

[ftr23532]

22. The Nazi connections go far beyond the Bushies...

...and the Bush connections didn't end with Prescott. The postwar intelligence apparatus (like the CIA) was utilized the Nazi diaspora and various other fascist collaborators extensively and they ended up being valued anti-Communist "Freedom Fighters" during the Cold War. The GOP even began using these fascist "Freedom Fighters" for their GOTV efforts in the 50's, and continued to do so up through Bush Sr's 1988 campaign (that was a bit of a mini scandal for them, but few papers covered it).

At the same time, the Muslim Brotherhood, which popped up in the 30's and has worked closely with the Saudis for the past 50 years, is the ideological godfather of modern Sunni Islamist ideology and had extensive ties to the Nazis before the war. And via the same Nazi diaspora those ties continue to this day. In fact, one of the first terrorist money-laundering outfits fingered after the 9/11 attacks, Bank al-Taqwa group, was a Muslim Brotherhood-run network shell bank operating in the Bahamas. Its founders and managers consisted of a neo-Nazi-turned-Islamist, a Muslim Brotherhood member that worked with German intelligence in WWII, and even folks that set up the "Islamic Institute" with Grover Norquist, which is the centerpiece of the GOP's Muslim GOTV effort. Seriously, http://fortherecordessays.blogspot.com/">it's tripped out.