|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:23 PM Original message |
Why is it that we allow private defense attorneys? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. I have an idea... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:03 AM Original message |
That would be like having heart and brain surgeons switch places |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. Wow! So little response to this... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. you really don't know? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I have to say |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. yeah i live in the new orleans metro area |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
84. My husband does both private defense work and also takes cases through |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. If there was no industry for private defense attorneys... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. i see that no one would bother to study criminal law |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Then why are there highly skilled well paid public prosecutors? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Public prosecutors are NOT well paid as compared to private attys. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:05 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Well if we the people are not willing to pay the people of justice system... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Your idealism is admirable; your expectations quite impossible. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:19 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Interesting enough, the middle class is equally screwed or more screwed... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:38 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Voters/taxpayers don't give a damn about this until it affects them personally. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:46 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. So it isn't you think others won't care, you don't care. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:56 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Back off, kiddo! And don't put words in my mouth. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 02:41 AM Response to Reply #49 |
69. Public Transport Might do More to Curb Drunk Driving |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Are you under the assumption that prosecutors make more than publid defenders? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:11 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Not in the federal system... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I'm sorry, but you're misinformed. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
76. Around here public defenders make mor ethan the prosecutors |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:23 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. It's my understanding that depending on where you live... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:00 AM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Could you point out a source for that? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. You need to spend a little more time around public defenders |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. no thanks |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:08 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. So you make a sweeping statement because... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. gee, that doesn't describe the public defenders in my state |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:02 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. yeah and some people are not guilty |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #25 |
78. Just because your area sucks in this regard do not condemn everywhere |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
100. every person I would hire now was a public defender |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
80. Are you advocating for a private police force?? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. There are private prosecutors |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. You're confusing civil cases with criminal cases. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. prosecutors are agents of the state -- defenders are agents of the people |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. In a democracy the people are the state... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. uh -- this is stupid -- an agent of The State is also an agent of The People |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Excuse me? Last time I checked America was supposed to be a democracy... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Deleted message |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:03 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. What is so unreasonable about that? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Precisely right nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. Quite right - the criminal defense system is inherently unfair. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. IN Texas |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
15. Ah, because it's better than nothing? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wiley50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
16. Uh, You really don't want to go to Court with only Public Defender |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 11:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Is it that hard to understand? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. The taxpayers would revolt at the increases in income/property tax |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Quite frankly, I think that if most Americans knew of the inequities in our system... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:25 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Not in my state (Pennsylvania) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:30 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Maybe it should be the duty of America to put it at the top. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:40 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Give me one practical way to pay for this plan. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #50 |
87. How about a different plan? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:54 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. I think you have a great point there... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #87 |
102. You are right - the legal system IS a large part of the problem. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:19 AM Response to Reply #24 |
38. You are working from faulty assumptions: |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
55. I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it would actually work... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:04 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Baloney. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
36. Capitalism |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:21 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. What state is that? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Wiki: |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:47 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. That's not the same thing. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:55 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I edited my post |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 01:11 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. That Wiki entry is not the best. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:25 PM Response to Reply #67 |
104. Thanks for the explanation |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
40. That's all we had originally |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
42. we shouldn't! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Why not? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. it's more than just private counsel |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. In your hypothetical, how does limiting my options benefit you? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:50 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. If everyone, including the richest of the rich, receive "poor citizens' justice" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:55 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. you've hit the nail on the head |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I'm glad someone else sees it... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:59 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. "Everyone would have the same shot in a court." |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 01:06 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. In that system the shot would not be based upon wealth... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 01:17 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Once again, you're working from a faulty assumption. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
43. Perhaps because we should have representatioon of our own choice? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:32 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Yes, because as we all know... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. How does your plan increase a poor persons choice? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 02:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
71. It Doesn't. He Just Wants to See Some Rich People Get Railroaded into Jail |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 08:50 AM Response to Reply #47 |
72. Your plan does not increase choice for the poor, but does decrease choice |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:13 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Please explain to me then why it is fair for the poor. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:18 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. How does economic status determine justice? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:31 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Why are some lawyers paid well and others not? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:37 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. For the same reason that some apples are more expensive than others - |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:46 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. True, but of course they have results... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Or their success rate might reflect the clients they chose to represent. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Actually, the ability to investigate is another inequity in our system... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
57. Who exists to hire a private prosecutor in a criminal case? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 12:58 AM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Ever heard of "popular sovereignty"? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 01:03 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. The People and a State are not always the same thing. Our entire federal government is |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
70. I Think They Did it That Way in the Former Soviet Union |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:15 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. In what nation is the verdict dependent on money? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
103. Nearly All of Them |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
82. Ever hear of the Star Chamber? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
86. The accused have a right to choose their own counsel |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Why not allow people to choose their public defenders? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Ok, how would *that* work? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Provide defendants with information about the case history... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. What does "case history" mean? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Win-loss ratio. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. You're just wrong about that. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. What part of the Constitution guarantees 'the right to equality?' |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:13 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. I could understand arguing for inequality, or really capitalism... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:20 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. If you were accused of a crime, you wouldn't want equality-- |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 11:09 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. You are confusing equal rights with equal outcomes |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Thu May 09th 2024, 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC