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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 03:54 AM
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An interesting thing happened on my way to tennis tonight.
I was walking outside to get in my car and was met by some bright car lights from across the street. It was hard not to notice them because they were aimed right at me and my car.

I walked down the driveway a bit and the car, actually a black SUV vehicle slowly drove up to my house and stopped in front of my driveway. I stood there to see if perhaps I knew the person(s) and the windows were tinted so I couldn't see the driver or passengers.

They proceeded to sit in front of my house for what seemed a minute or so as I stood there and then the SUV drove into my neighbor's driveway, turned around, stopped where their lights were aimed at me and my car and then drove up to my drive way and stopped again.

In short, it was weird.

I got in my car and sat and watched from my rearview as the SUV drove a little way down the block and stopped. I followed it to where I could get its license plate and it pulled over, I drove around it and then drove on.

Don't know what to make of it, other than it felt intimidating and similar to a couple of other incidents which have happened.

I don't know if other activists have had similar experiences, but I thought I would share. I also wrote something not long ago that I haven't posted here, but thought it might help those who have been or felt intimidated and/or have experienced harassment in some form or fashion.



When Families Divide

Looking back at the last six years, I know we all can wonder in shock as to how our country and we have gotten to this place.

So much has happened so fast.

I think most of us who are conscious of what is going on around us have probably experienced a kind of low level fatigue and/or shock.

What has been the most difficult part of the past six years for me has been an isolation and division which has resulted between me and members of my family.

My two oldest brothers (half-brothers actually) have been very involved in Republican/Washington politics for quite some time - almost as long as I can remember.

Growing up in a conservative area of Texas (actually what part of Texas isn't conservative these days?), I always considered myself a Republican, until I graduated from college and gradually broadened my perspective about life in general.

In time, I found myself one of the two token Democrats of the family, which for years was fine with everyone, primarily because I wasn't making waves and/or that actively involved. When I was active in pro-choice groups or workng on a Democratic campaign, I never discussed it much.

It wasn't until I moved to California that I became much more active in politics and activism.

Specifically, it was not until Al Gore won the election of 2000, that I knew something was seriously wrong.

It was at that specific moment I knew I had to become more involved in the political process and learn more how things really worked.

And, it was the appointment of George Bush to the presidency that effectively began the gradual divide between my family and myself.

Since that time, things have gradually gone from bad to worse. We don't speak really.

There have been stances I have taken that have not been popular with some in my family. Although it has been very painful at times, I have come to the conclusion I cannot continue to do what those in my family want me to do in order to stay in good graces, especially when there is so much at stake.

As a result of my choices, it seems I've been essentially isolated from most of the family herd. I know there have been others who have experienced this as well. It's not an easy choice.

It seems there are some in the family who find it more convenient to blame/scapegoat me, than to observe what is happening to our country and our world at large.

In addition, because of my familial connections, I have known the Bushes in the past.

I liked them. I spent time with them.

I guess it is due to my speaking out against the Administrations policies and becoming politically active on many levels which has garnered me some unwarranted surveillance I have received by individuals apparently wanting to intimidate me.

Over the past few years, I have had my trash replaced and/or stolen, interesting gentlemen parked outside my house for hours for no apparent reason to be there other than to seemingly make their presence known, security cameras I've had installed stop working inexplicably, pots and things moved in my backyard. What has been the most concerning has been things that seemed to have been missing/rearranged/moved inside my house.

I have come home to my computer unplugged a few times and recently the memory on my security cameras was erased for no explicable reason.

In short, it has been difficult and painful to not be in communication with my family. I understand for some of them it is difficult what I am choosing to do. Some in my family view it as a betrayal, although they won't verbally admit that to me, only to other family members.

I don't see what I'm doing as a choice anymore.

I think many if not most of us speaking out don't see it as a choice, but a responsibility to simply do what is right.

My fear of what is happening to this country and planet supercedes any fear I have of some members of my family and/or the Bush Administration.

As most of us are, I am deeply worried what is happening to our world.

I cannot choose to ignore what this Administration is doing and not be vocal about it.

There is simply too much at stake.



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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 04:18 AM
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1. My take: get the license plate and report it to the cops and your neighbors
Edited on Wed Dec-06-06 04:22 AM by Hekate


One instance could well be someone casing your home and neighborhood with burglary in mind. If that is the case, you want your social and civic support systems to be alert.

If these repeated instances are connected to your (and our) darker fears, then speaking out is a way of refusing to be isolated and cut off. You want your personal support system alert.

Best of luck to you, and a DU :hug:

We shall live to see better days,

Hekate

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 05:43 AM
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2. I'm going to kick this - you need some DU support
Let's see if anyone else is awake at 3 ayem.

Hekate
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 03:08 PM
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16. Thank you for the good suggestions Hekate.
You know it seems to me if it were someone casing the house, I don't think they would have made such a point to call attention to themselves.

Burglars I think tend to avoid calling too much attention, this individual was almost provoking me to follow them, at the least was making a concerted effort for me to see them.

They even pulled over a couple of times when driving off, which made it easier for me to get their license plate. In that sense they were very accomodating.

It was interesting to say the least!

Thanks again for the suggestions and support.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 05:58 AM
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3. That is a weird one. Ask your neighbors, if you know them,
Edited on Wed Dec-06-06 06:00 AM by BullGooseLoony
if they know anybody with a black SUV. There could be a reasonable explanation.

Is your house really out of the way? Is it possible that someone was lost, trying to get their bearings?

You know, oddly enough...I realize this must have been very scary...but, sometimes in those types of situations, the best thing to do is to confront the fear directly. Maybe it would have been good to have gone up and asked them if there was something they needed.

Somewhat dangerous, perhaps- but, you might have just surprised yourself if it was something piddily.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 03:15 PM
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17. Those are good suggestions BGL.
Absolutely stuff can look weird and be totally harmless - we've all had those circumstances. Things can often be not at all what they seem.

I'm pretty doubtful in this one, simply due to the number of incidents that have continued to occur.

However, it's always good to check this situations out with neighbors and go from there. Some of my neighbors are aware of the situation.

Thanks for posting.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 07:03 AM
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4. Are you keeping any kind of log of these events? If there is any
sort of pattern, this might help you to detect it. Any one of these events would be a little suspicious, but might be explained. However, it sounds like you have had more than enough of them for it to be just coincidental.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 03:15 PM
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18. Thanks and yes I am AG***
n/t
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 07:06 AM
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5. This has happened to DUers before.
There was a thread back in Sept. 2005 about it.
Thread title: "Tinfoil-hat time"
I would post a link to it ... if I could get the search feature to find it.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 08:08 AM
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6. I remember that.
Give me a bit and I'll see if I can remember any identifying factors.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 08:56 AM
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7. On the other hand, I travel a lot, and get lost
I've pulled into people's driveways to turn around, stopped in front of strange houses to check maps or call my destination and get directions.

I imagine this could be viewed as sinister by the neighboring homeowners. But it happens a lot, and I'm sure I'm not the only lost person who does this.

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 03:23 PM
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19. Absolutely. However I don't think most people shine their brights at someone
and their car then drive slowly by, stop for a pronounced period, turn around in the neighbors driveway, pull out, shine their brights on me again for a pronounced period and then proceed to return to my drive way and stop there again.

It was not 'normal' if that's an appropriate term.

Then again, could it have been just another coincidence? Anything is possible. However, it didn't feel that way.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 08:44 PM
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25. The could have been using high beams to scan house numbers
Edited on Wed Dec-06-06 08:45 PM by ContraBass Black
Looking for a destination. My father carries a hand spotlight in his car for this.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 09:01 AM
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8. Normally I would think they were just lost
but this being December, and when I was working 911 I knew how many break in happen in December, I would worry they were casing the neighborhood. Especially if this happened during the day. If you see this car again, do not leave your home no matter what. I would call 911 and phone in a suspicious vehicle call myself. Then ask the deputy/cop to stop by and get the info.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 11:06 AM
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9. Did you get the license number? In my state, you can obtain who the
vehicle is registered to by asking the police to run it.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 11:09 AM
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10. Find out who that license plate belongs to...
I've had cars w/ white males in them sitting in front of my place...I had recently organized a MoveOn event. I waved at the men in these cars and they eventually stopped watching me. But I am pretty sure they never entered my home.

I think they do this to intimidate...to make you stop your political activities.

Good luck...and keep us informed, OK?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 04:21 PM
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20. Thank you Femrap.
We're looking into it.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 11:22 AM
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11. Wow, that's weird
Are you doing more than the average amount of speaking out? Do you think it has to do with your previous ties with the Bushes?

I lost a brother over this. We have nothing to say to one another. But nobody is stalking me with dark SUVs. Creepy.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:05 AM
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28. I'm sorry you have lost a brother over what is happening Tavalon.
Seems the past six years have created major divisions and break ups between families and friends. I understand and can relate.

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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 11:43 AM
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12. it seems that somebody is deliberately scaring you
I'm pretty sure that if somebody from the government (or somebody good enough at their job to be privately hired by a highly connected person) wanted to keep you under surveillance without your knowing it, they would be a lot slicker about it than to leave your computer unplugged, or to park in your neighborhood in a big-ass SUV, or to rearrange things in your house and back yard.

If they wanted to be sneaky about it, they would be. They're just trying to intimidate you.

On the other hand, what the crap? This is America... speaking out shouldn't result in this kind of thing. Damn.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 11:48 AM
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13. On a lighter note
When I was a kid my parents bought a second house in south Florida. My mother and I went down ahead of the rest of the family to begin a vacation there. Every dawn we were woken up to the sound of a car idling in front of the house. We spied through the windows and there was a guy, lights on in the passenger compartment, scribbling something. We thought, what? Casing the neighborhood. My mother and I ran every tin-foil hat scenario we could think of. We called the police (who never came). Then, finally, one morning, we watched the car long enough to see it drive away -- and start tossing out penny-saver newspapers onto our lawns!

(Good thing the cops never did show back then!)
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 11:55 AM
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14. Leave the fuckers a note. Let them know you know they are in your house.
Tell them where you keep the milk and cookies and tell them not to sniff your drawers.

Also lay out a guest book and ask them to sign in.

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 12:12 PM
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15. Thanks everyone for your responses. It is really appreciated.
It's been an interesting six years for all of us.

Your replies have been so supportive and helpful. This has been a bit challenging, I know for quite a few of us.

I will post more later but in the meantime just wanted to say thanks so much. It means a lot.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 05:09 PM
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21. You could try this approach:
Act friendly. When you see the car idling in your drive, come to the door and wave, with a big smile on your face, like you were expecting them and are glad to see them. Heck, bring a 6-pack of Pepsi to the door and point to it with a "hey, you guys want a break?" expression. Look regretful and wave good-bye as they drive away.

Leave cookies and a note by your desk. "Hi! Sorry I wasn't here when you guys dropped by. Thanks for cleaning up so nicely last time. Help yourself to the cookies! By the way, in the "Journal" folder on my hard drive there's a poem titled "Summer Mornings." Could you guys do me a favor and read it and tell me what you think? I'd sort of like to send it in to "The New Yorker," but I'm shy. Your feedback would really help. Oh, and all correspondence with Osama and other evildoers is in the file labelled "hot pre-teens," just for your easy reference. Hey, next time come by when I'm home! We'll crack a brew and I can show you my Fantasy Football lineup for next season, huh?"

It may not stop 'em but it'll confuse the hell out of 'em.

helpfully,
Bright
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 06:02 PM
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22. One thing I remember from the thread I posted about is that calling the cops worked
for a number of people who were going through this.

Very sorry it has been happening to you. Good Luck.


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Ahpook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 06:46 PM
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23. Could it possibly be some ..
Edited on Wed Dec-06-06 06:56 PM by Ahpook
neighbor screwing with you?

I don't know to what extent you speak out against our beloved pResident, but you may have upset a local with a bumpersticker and pissed off the neighborhood turd. It doesn't seem to be hard to do when you show them to be the racist pigs they are.

A friend of mine has some anti * stickers and a couple signs in his yard. Not to long ago some redneck fucker dropped spiked food in his yard, which i assume was to poison his dogs. Thankfully, he found the food and through enough pressure around here the jerk moved his stupid ass out.

Just a thought, we all know they are chickenshit bastards anyway. That kind of thing seems about par for these fools.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 08:11 PM
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24. Don't let fear get the best of you
Confront it, walk up to the car as you are taking down the plate number and knock on the window and ask them why they are there and you are going to report them to the police.
Plant tell tails around the house so you know for sure if someone is coming in.
Paranoia will destroy ya. Peace
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 09:22 PM
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26. Thanks Bonito. I'm not one to avoid a confrontation when necessary.
When I walked out my door it was dark outside and was met with lights in my face. I walked to the end of my driveway and watched the vehicle the entire time until I got in my car and followed it up the street and got their license plate.

I've addressed situations like you mentioned, however I think there are also situations where a little more caution is warranted.

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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 09:37 PM
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27. I think you really should call the police if something like this happens
again. Locals usually don't like feds coming into their territory and it might help.

You need to make notes before you leave the house, date and time concerning the state of things like the computer being plugged IN. That way if you call the police you have something to show them to help show that you aren't just forgetting these things and being paranoid. A photograph with a time and date stamp is even better. Start taking photos so that you don't ever doubt yourself and leave no doubt for the police.



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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 01:22 AM
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29. So, what was the plate number?
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