One Gay Dad's Take on Mary Cheney

[mondo joe]

I am a gay parent of two daughters, ages 9 and 11. My partner and I co-parent with two women, so the kids have two moms and two dads.

My feeling about Mary Cheney has nothing to do with her orientation, and everything to do with political hypocrisy.

This woman SUPPORTED candidates who declared WAR on my family for nothing but political gain. Like GW Bush during Viet Nam, her family provided a cloak of protection, so she - like GW - was safe from the real dangers of the war their families supported. Her money alone can protect her from some of the worst grievances other families face.

My disdain for anti gay fundies is only exceeded by my disdain for those like the Cheney family, who know better, but serve the religious right.

So fuck you Mary Cheney, and your asshole parents as well.

Since Mary supported politicians who USED MY FAMILY as a pawn in their game, I have NO problem using hers. But the big difference is that while I'm more than willing to call her hypocrisy, I'd still fight for her equal civil rights.

And that's a far cry better than I ever got from her or her family.

[BR_Parkway]

1. K&R - from another gay dad!

[Stephanie]

2. I'll K&R to that

Fuck you, Mary Cheney.

[rodeodance]

3. HYpocrasy runs deep in the Cheney family

[AndyA]

4. Yep, I'll kick and recommend as well.

It IS all about hypocrisy, supporting people who have declared gay people as second rate citizens, not worthy of the same rights as everyone else.

Fuck you, Mary Cheney.

And you might want to watch the movie Rosemary's Baby for some insight as to what lies ahead for you. Anything born into such a detestable family cannot come from anything good.

[LilyLibber]

5. Proud to be #5

The depth and breadth of the Cheney hypocrisy blows my mind.

[Not Me]

6. K&R. I abhor the arrogance of the Cheney family

Surely, with their connections and wealth, they will never know the inequities which my family deals with every day.
I hope Heather Noe realizes what she is getting in to.

[mondo joe]

8. I'm reminded of people who want to make abortion illegal, knowing they

can always fly out of the country to get an unwanted pregnancy taken care of if they need it.

[tbyg52]

47. We have people making laws

knowing they won't apply to *them*. Money fixes everything.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. likewise.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. the person who will really suffer from this

is the child who is born to Mary Cheney.

[xultar]

10. Then shouldn't we discuss only the hypocrisy and not the pregnancy.

You know what I'm saying. I'm happy they are having a baby but I hate her politics of hate. So lets keep the pregnancy out of the debate.

[mondo joe]

11. But her pregnancy IS important. She has supported a war on gay families

while having one herself - but she will not be touched by the war she supported.

[xultar]

16. I don't think it is fair to say she won't be touched by the war....I can't imagine

that they are to warmly accepted to places without their father in attendance.

Plus hearing what they say about them...must be tough knowing they have to support it with silence.

[mondo joe]

27. Respectfully, I disagree. She has the resources to work around

what many gay families have to deal with every day.

[xultar]

35. I can understand what you're saying. But how does she work around hate?

Because of money? Name? True. But then that means anyone with money and a name can do it whether or not they were republican or not.

I'm hoping that this debate inadvertently takes the debate to their faces and forces them to either accept one of their own or toss her and her partner and the kid out on their ass.

[mondo joe]

36. Enough money can protect you from a lot. And hate only bothersyou if you let it.

I don't really give a shit who hates me. I care about my rights.

Sorry if I sound pissed at you - I don't mean to, and I'm not feeling cranky with you AT ALL. :-)

[xultar]

38. Hey. I don't read any thing in your posts that sound like you're pissed.

I enjoyed our discussion.

Plus it is everyone kick lil boots in the teeth day. I'm celebratin and high as a kite happy!

[Shipwack]

28. Xultar, that's the part that gets me annoyed...

They -don't- have to "support it with silence".

Would speaking out be easy? No. Not only would the fundamentalist Christians -still- hate them, but there's a chance that their family would disown them.

Oh well.

I won't disparage the choice they made; I haven't walked a mile in their shoes. However, I'll be dammned if I feel sorry for them even a minute. Sure, their bed is uncomfortable, but it's the one they chose to make. You know as well as I (probably better, even) that there are thousands of gay couples who are far worse off.

[xultar]

30. Agreed!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. she is only in the news now cos of the pregnancy. i however have a long standing hatred of her.

[riderinthestorm]

18. Her pregnancy needs to be at the center of the debate

From stem cell research to marriage benefits to child custody laws and more. For many gay families, this pregnancy IS the key to all of those debates.

[Strawman]

13. She's a typical "as long as I get mine" Republican

As the Vice President's daughter she's off-limits to these hate mongers. She can do what she wants basically and doesn't care that others like herself cannot. "Screw everyone else as long as I get mine." In a way this resolves the seeming contradiction and makes her a qunitessential Republican.

[Swede]

14. Hypocrisy always leads to injustice.

I hate injustice. People with money and power bullying people with none is not the way the world shoud work.

[wryter2000]

15. Also K&R

I only hope her pregnancy causes a bunch of anti-gay heads to explode.

[cynatnite]

17. I understand your anger, but...

I'm never comfortable with kids being caught in the crossfire of these things. I know the repukes show little regard for your children, but at the very least, we can show some for an innocent infant in this case. Just my two cents.

[mondo joe]

20. I never did anything that could harm her child in any way.

Did I?

[cynatnite]

21. No, but you did say family...

and I wasn't implying you meant physical harm. I know better. I just get very uncomfortable when kids are dragged into these political fights. :hi:

on edit: I want to apologize since I wasn't clear in my first post.

[riderinthestorm]

24. I believe Mary Cheney feels she can do this, and her child WILL be shielded

That's the point. Mary's family isn't going to be affected.

[katsy]

19. ",,,to call her hypocrisy, I'd still fight for her equal civil rights."

These hypocrites have every human and legal civil right imaginable already. It's called wealth. Their civil rights are bought and paid for.

The civil rights that the rest of us have to fight and beg for is a game for them. They use them as bargaining chips with the religiously insane to gain more political & financial power.

You're a good person to recognize that Mary Cheney indeed has equal civil rights.

Mary Cheney should take her family to the newest successful democracy (as her dad would have us believe)... Iraq.

Let's see if her civil rights can be bought & paid for there.

[phantom power]

22. Nice observation about being shielded from the conflict.

In the war on gays, she's like a chickenhawk. Or worse. What's a word for somebody who takes sides against her *own* demographic, secure in the knowledge that she will be personally shielded?

[Hav]

26. .

Maybe something close to a collaborator. But that's probably too strong because I'm unsure whether that would be a fair description of her actions.

Even if she wasn't actively fighting against those who are like her, I guess she didn't really use her position to speak out for them or to be a part of a civil discussion. As the daughter of the VP of a party so vehemently against gays, she could have been a voice.

[jwdeviant]

45. Young republican

"What's a word for somebody who takes sides against her *own* demographic, secure in the knowledge that she will be personally shielded?"

The classic young republican advocates war while knowing that they're safe in college pursuing "other interests".

[Booster]

23. Very well said. Hypocrisy is the Republican creed. Remember

when Bush Sr was asked what would he do if a member of his family said they wanted an abortion? He said "I would try to talk them out of it, but in the end it would be their decision". I really do hate these people. They know they have the money and power to get anything they want even if it's done in secrecy, which I'm sure has happened, what with the Bush twins' activities.

[sui generis]

25. heh, we need a gay dads forum

:hi:

Yeah, Mary Cheney your fifteen minutes ended over six years ago.

[Scout1071]

29. Thank you Mondo Joe.

Mary Cheney is almost lower than her dad. The level of hypocrisy is unlike any other I have ever seen in my life. In the same ballpark as Mark Foley being the head of missing and exploited children, while it was a "known secret" that he pursued teenage page boys!

I've said it before and I'll say it a hundred times again. Most Republicans are pure fakes. Phony values, phony compassion, phony fiscal conservatism (really just shifting money from the middle class to the wealthy), phony security, phony reasons for going to war. Pure fakes through and through.

I've long thought that every family had at least one gay member. Some accept it. Some sort of accept it by tolerating it, but won't readily admit it. Some are in denial......and some are just cruel. I mean, really......do they really think that with all of the poverty, war and disease in this world that Jesus would be running around worried about 2 people loving each other?

Bottom line....I suppose I wish them well since they are bringing their devil spawn into this world and I can only hope that something positive comes from it. Maybe Mary and her partner will spend the rest of their lives publicly seeking redemption and working to fight discrimination.

Either way.....ooooooooohhh....who would want to mate with Mary Cheney anyway?

[theHandpuppet]

31. K&R!!

:kick:

[Paschall]

32. Let's suppose it went something like this...

"Hello, yes, it's me, I've got something for you. Really historic. But it's got to be from anonymous sources. Got that?"
...
"No, not the Iraq Study Group. The President has already said, the report's conclusions will be considered along with other options."
...
"Iraq, grave and deteriorating? No, listen, this is really big. Nothing to do with Iraq."
...
"A risk of spreading into a regional war? Oh, Christ, does the report really say that? No, wait I don't want to know. This is big, I'm telling you. You can probably give it 5, even 10 minutes on the evening news."
...
"Yes, it's that big! Do you think I would have called if it wasn't just humongous?"
...
"Alright. You ready for this?"
...
"No, look. I'm telling you I don't want to hear about Iraq. Do you want this story or don't you?"
...
"Listen, I don't care what Jim Baker says. If you don't take this, I'm calling..."
...
"Alright then. Ready? Mary and Heather HAVE A BISCUIT IN THE OVEN!"
...
"No shit, it's big! So how much airtime can give this? We think 10 to 15 minutes is about right. I mean this IS historic, isn't it?"
...
"Sounds good. About the pink or blue, I don't know. I'll call you back... say, in January, about the time Congress reconvenes."
Click.

[mondo joe]

34. So you think Mary Cheney timed her pregnancy to coincide with the

release from the ISG?

[Paschall]

49. Of course not, Joe

I'm merely suggesting that the "leak" of this information may have been timed to coincide with the release of the ISG.

The Washington Post story on the pregnancy states that when Mary was interviewed on an eventual pregnancy six months ago, she demurred and seemed to indicate that raising a child was something she and Heather had not yet discussed. But the baby is due this spring, meaning the couple was probably already working on getting pregnant when Mary spoke to the Post.

Molly Ivins calls this the "Stagecraft Administration." I was only suggesting that this "leak" may have been yet another bit of stagecraft, specifically an attempt to turn public attention from the now fully acknowledged Iraq disaster.

By the way, congrats on your daughters. Lucky you! Lucky them!

[mondo joe]

51. Bushco has so many scandals - actual and potential - that I think ANY

time they make any announcement it looks like a diversion.

Not there aren't real diversions. But statistically, they're always having to cover SOMETHING.

[ronnykmarshall]

33. You said it!

Mary and her partner are back stabbers.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. The gay movement needs solidarity.

In the labor movement, people who don't commit to solidarity are known as "scabs."

[Buzz Clik]

39. Mary joined daddy and mommy going apeshit when it was mentioned she exists

Great post, mondojoe. And let me join you in a "fuck you Mary Cheney, and your asshole parents as well."

:mad:

[tbyg52]

48. Of course she did

It was politically expedient.

[smomfr]

40. Many children of despotic tyrants are held guilty by association.

Mary Cheney does it all by herself.

[jgraz]

41. First thing the Dems should do in January

Is introduce a resolution condemning Mary Cheney's pregnancy because she's gay, and then force all the Rethugs to vote on it. It will obviously be voted down (all the Dems will vote NO), but the Rethugs will be forced to put their votes where their mouths are on gay parenting.

There are many issues like this where the Dems could force the Rethugs to show their hypocrisy. Bills to ban evolution, deny global warming, etc. None of these would take too much time, since they don't actually have to be that carefully thought out as actual law. But the Rethugs will be faced with scaring off the moderate vote or pissing off the religious freaks.

After all, isn't that what the 'Pukes tried to do to the Dems with their cynical Iraq pullout vote?

Edit: typos

[ComerPerro]

42. Mary Cheney is a horrible person, end of story

[neuvocat]

43. Mary Cheney expects "preferential treatment"

which happens to be the very thing she and her family have been bellyaching against for years. She's boring.

[mtnsnake]

44. What a fabulous post Joe

Glad to recommend

[Rhiannon12866]

46. K&R, my friend. Well said. n/t

[Hekate]

50. ...And the horse she rode in on...

Loathesome family, the Cheneys and their spawn Mary. Don't know how Heather could have non-married into it, much less helped bring a child into the picture.

It's the hypocrisy, all right.

As for me, other peoples' love and their desire to form stable families of their own has never "threatened" my marriage. I hope eventually the legislatures of this backward nation will finally recognize the right of gays and lesbians to marry.

Hekate