Its OVER...The BUSHCO will be forced to RESIGN or be IMPEACHED. Make Way for President Pelosi...

[opihimoimoi]

PRESIDENT PELOSI here we come...ready or not....Rep Pelosi will be installed as our first President of the Female Gender but more important...as a breath of FRESH AIR and a signal to the rest of the World, America is not STUPID after all....

The move will allow better options in dealing with the Middle East, better relationships, and better hopes for peace and to see our troops return home...

If we stay with Bush...the Picture is too bleak for the nx 2 years....they, Bush/Cheney, they gatta go...they have fucked it all up to the point of being in salvageable. Fuck his legacy, fuck his library, fuck his ah Huck style of non leadership...

[MadMaddie]

1. I think it's just a matter of time because he will refuse to implement

the Baker plan....and Congress will be left with no other choice....the American people will demand it....

[RiverStone]

72. For a long time, I felt the 1st 100 days should not include...

Impeachment. Oh, I wanted BushCo the hell out, though I felt staying positive was a better move for the DEMS in Jan.

I was an advocate of the new DEM Congress focusing on other very important issues (ending funding for Iraq, raising min wage, restore habeas corpus); but, I've changed my mind.

BushCo's total lack of remorse and blatant and continued delusional denial of the will of the people suggests to me a man truly on the edge of madness. So egocentric... he will not listen to ANY other voices. Cowboy diplomacy gone mad. He reminds me of a bus driver asleep at the wheel - and the bus is full of people and he's rapidly heading toward a cliff.

It has reached that point. Now I'm convinced. Introduce articles of Impeachment ASAP!!!

[opihimoimoi]

98. Is it Capt Queeg and his ball bearings???

[Raksha]

146. Bush has got to be the reincarnation of Caligula.

I can't think what else could explain it!

Re >>BushCo's total lack of remorse and blatant and continued delusional denial of the will of the people suggests to me a man truly on the edge of madness. So egocentric... he will not listen to ANY other voices. Cowboy diplomacy gone mad. He reminds me of a bus driver asleep at the wheel - and the bus is full of people and he's rapidly heading toward a cliff.<<

[Tellurian]

126. I believe his own father POPPY wants him removed...

Poppy's mentality dictates:

"I put you in there; I sure as HELL can take you OUT!"
Watch ME!

[Katzenjammer]

161. "he will refuse to implement the Baker plan"

No, he won't refuse. Please don't kid yourself. This whole thing is a standard charade designed for the sole purpose of letting BushCo get out of Iraq with something he can call dignity.

The way it works is that BushCo can't admit they were wrong, so they can't just pull out. So what happens is they bring in this "respected outsider with no ax to grind" who bills a shitload of money for going through the motions of doing a study, and who finally says "you must pull out". BushCo then grumbles a little for the look of the thing and implements the "impartial", "third party" "recommendations". He can then say that it wasn't him, he was just following the recommendations of this "blue-ribbon", "outside" consultancy. And everyone is so relieved that it's over that they let Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rummy, et al. walk away laughing.

I repeat: it's a completely standard charade that can be found in any textbook on negotiation. Never be the person with the power to decide, even if you are. Never be the person who delays or turns down an offer or does something annoying...even if you are. Always put the responsibility on a third party, or impersonal forces beyond your control.

[opihimoimoi]

174. Scarey but so possible...Bushies back door to walk away???

[Katzenjammer]

181. I'd bet money on it, yeah. It's such a standard technique it must have a long

white beard by now.

[opihimoimoi]

182. Somehow, Bush has done the impossible...no matter what he does...he is fucked

Can't cut and run, cannot stay and die...oh my, what to do???

He is trying to solve his legacy shit at the same time...no way..,.he looks like he is...a bungling fool over his freaking head...even his hand picked crew is all fucked up...Karen Baby,, where are you? Condi??? Come save my ass...Dick, put that shotgun down and say something...

Damn, even Pappy cannot save his ass...

There is only one honorable thing to do...Resign enmasse...Cheney and him gatta do it to save the GOP...else its all over for the Pubic Party forever....

[Katzenjammer]

184. $100 says he walks away laughing. I'd make it $1000 but that's too much

for someone retired on social insecurity.

[opihimoimoi]

186. More than likely...he will walk away...I don't about laughing...most likely with head hanging

[Katzenjammer]

199. Danziger's pulling the curtain back

[opihimoimoi]

201. LOL, yup, Bushie finding a way out...thats all he ever does...escape...

[Joe for Clark]

2. I think that may be exactly right.

I don't think B*sh has too much time to decide here.

In the end we are a republic and we will do what is in the best interests of the country.

There is a good chance you will be proven right.

Joe

[tridim]

3. I'm not sure that's how it will happen,

But you're right, it's inconceivable that these criminals get another two years to commit their crimes. They have to be stopped, one way or another.

[opihimoimoi]

13. The American Peeps are PISSED....the ISG has blown the cover off the BUSHCO

Bush has NO CREDIBILITY LEFT...NOT A SHRED...NO RESPECT, NO CREDS, NO NOTHING, and No Future.

He will be forced to resign by acclamation, by sheer numbers pounding on his door as did the French during the Revolutions early days when the People went to Versailles and arrested the King and Queen.

Bushies Statue is about to come down....his House of Cards that is....

Watch the Rats run for cover, take the road outta Dodge...scurry for hideaways....

[Cleita]

I love your optimism and have been thinking along those

lines myself. Talk about doing a clear flush of the t's in the toilet.

[opihimoimoi]

26. Jus the thought must be driving the freeps nutz...

[wildbilln864]

4. From your mouth...

to God's ears!

on edit: excluding the vulgarities of course. lol

[elocs]

10. Exactly! If wishing made it so, but this is reality.

Reality is not only a harsh mistress, it is a bitch.

[Independent_Liberal]

68. We ARE being realistic.

It's so easy for anybody to see. Can't you see that everything's imploding? That's the reality of it.

[elocs]

114. Please, please, let me see the names of the Democratic leaders

or well-known Democrats who are currently demanding immediate impeachment of Bush or Cheney. Can't these people see that everything's imploding or are they the people who are being realistic, more so that the political armchair quarterbacks here.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

144. make no mistake, there are people who are far more than armchair quarterbacks...

posting at DU... Old sailors know that when someone can't find a pasky leak in the beginning, it is time to start bailing and prepare for the upcoming flood. Lose lips sink sorry-assed ships.

[elocs]

153. Let me take a wild guess and say that out of more than 98,000 DUers registered,

most are political armchair quarterbacks. I will readily admit that I am, and that is why I trust Pelosi and our leadership. I doubt that there was any Democrat who won in the last election who had impeachment as a foremost and prominent plank in their platform. I do think there will be a political price to pay for any impeachment process that goes less well than the scripted scenarios I see here. I think that Pelosi and our Democratic leadership know how to handle this and that she would like for the Democrats to take back the White House in 2008 and retain control of power in the Congress for a long time. Ultimately, that is more important for the country than to make impeachment the front and center issue for the next 2 years. Other than the Democratic constituency, most other Americans are going to look at impeachment being put up front before investigations which are independent of impeachment as being more about getting revenge of Bush and that is how the Republicans will play it during the next campaign. I do not think there is enough time for impeachment and each of the scenarios I see here are so rosy and portrayed as coming off without a hitch. Any hitches stretch it out even longer.

[pa28]

97. It's a nice dream to bask in but we're skipping a step or two.

Reality is finding 17 Republican Senators plus Joe Lieberman and 50 Democrats to go along with this plan.

Let's just worry about hammering the Republicans until they spill the facts and the truth. We follow every new avenue that opens up and start hammering again. Once everything is on the table we do what the law and the constitution dictates.

[conscious evolution]

107. once the investigations reveal

the extent of bush/cheneys crimes getting 17 pukes to vote for conviction will not be a problem.Repukes will be so eager to distance themselves from them that they will fall all over themselves trying to get on the impeachment bandwagon.

[elocs]

113. Exactly. I have said that, but few want to hear it.

Right on about Lieberman. That's why we would need more than 16 Republican Senators and it is possible that other Democratic senators might vote to not convict, especially if they are from a red state and face the danger of not being reelected. I doubt if there is enough time to even do impeachment properly since Clinton's impeachment took a year and was the result of an already ongoing investigation. That is no reason why the Democrats cannot investigate to the max, turn over the rocks and expose the wrongdoings and wrongdoers to the light.

[Independent_Liberal]

120. It's not that we don't want to hear it, we're saying that it can be done.

This recent post from pat_k sums it all up:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k

The Dems just need to make sure the public knows that it is up to Bush and Cheney to "spare the nation" from the disruption of impeachment by doing the following:

Cheney resigns, Bush nominates new VP.

The VP must be confirmed by both the House and Senate. Since we elected these folks, if they object to a nominee, that objection reflects our will.

Bush resigns, new VP is sworn in as President.

New President nominates a VP.

Once again, the VP he/she nominates must be confirmed by both the House and Senate, and therefore meets with our approval (through the people who represent us).

The Democratic members of the Congress fighting for impeachment need to sincerely express their fervent hope that Bush and Cheney do this. They need to be clear that they want things to play out this way because they do not want the nation to have ANY Question about whether or not their motivation is partisan.

Of course, if Bush and Cheney choose to be forcibly removed through impeachment, then the succession We the People have established in the 25th amendment will govern, and the Democratic Speaker will take the office of the Presidency. Since this succession is in accordance with the laws we established, it is also a reflection of our will.

Pointing out the choices that are available to the criminals in the WH could be a very effective way to speed up the whole process. It shifts the accusations that "they are subjecting the nation to a long painful process" to Bush and Cheney.

Republicans are likely to be VERY motivated to pressure Bush and Cheney to take the resignation "exit strategy."

Republicans may not be willing to defend the indefensible for long. When Bush nullified McCain's anti-torture amendment (which passed with over 90 votes) he slapped them in the face. They would be hard pressed to defend Bush for abusing signing statements nullify the overwhelming will of the people in order to keep torture "on the table." Warner, Graham, McCain, and Collins (may have been others I'm not recalling) came out against the "War Criminals Protection Act." The "compromise" they got was not much of one, it just shifted the responsibility for actually approving torture to Bush (as opposed to approving it themselves and becoming War Criminals). Specter dismissed the WH defense of the criminal surveillance program as absurd. There are some other "rational" Republicans (Snowe, Hagel, and Lugar).

Repubs will certainly try the "Un-Patriotic to attack the President in War time" bit (the only "attack" on impeachment we have heard out of them) but that doesn't go far if Repubs aren't willing to defend against the indefensible charges (which they aren't even doing now).

Bush and Cheney are an albatross that many Republicans would be happy to get rid of.

An as long as Democratic leaders accuse in strong and clear language (no more hiding truth in euphemism) "debates" about the charges will be the nightly fare on every news-entertainment show. Debates about:
Whether or not Bush and Cheney's claim to have a "get out of jail free" card (unitary authoritarian executive) are absurd;

Whether or not Bush and Cheney confess to high crimes every time they invoke the "unitary" fig leaf;

Whether or not Bush and Co abused power to terrorize the nation into a criminal war of aggression. (No amount of "stretching" can support the notion that Iraq had the capability to drop a nuclear bomb anywhere within the United States -- not in 45 minutes; not in a year; not in 5 years.);

Whether or not forcing through the War Criminals Protection Act demonstrates consciousness of guilt.

Whether or not they should be turned over to the Hague, given that SCOTUS declared them to be War Criminals in Hamdam.
When the Democratic leadership gets serious about impeachment, Repubs may have Bush and Cheney out within a week.

[elocs]

127. Gee, so simple and easy.

Please, bookmark your post and reread it 2 years from now. You are in for a big, big disappointment, especially if you ever think or actually believe that Bush or Cheney will ever be turned over to the Hague for trial as war criminals. The Democrats have the votes to do impeachment whenever they want. It's conviction that will be the tricky part. Won't happen. All of the possible scenarios for impeachment and conviction require more steps and are more convoluted than a Rube Goldberg contraption.

[Independent_Liberal]

129. I just can't convince you can I?

You'll believe it when you see it.

[Tellurian]

131. No you can't , because your being lead..

Both Bush and Cheney would be removed and Pelosi would assume the Presidentcy as next inline.

[elocs]

151. I can't convince you either. I will believe it if I see it,

but I do not realistically see it happening. I really would love for you to be right, but I do not see impeachment happening and impeachment without conviction is not meaningful. Investigations would reveal and expose as much and need to come before articles of impeachment. I don't believe it is proper or would be accepted by the American public to pass articles of impeachment and then do investigations. These investigations will take time and there is not enough time. Bushco cut its teeth under Nixon and is far more secretive. Things will just not come tumbling out as they stonewall and stall until the clock runs out on impeachment. However, if there is criminal action it will not stop when Bush leaves office and if there is a Democrat elected in 2008 there will be nobody to pardon him. So I see a Nixon-like scenario as being more possible than impeachment/conviction.

[Independent_Liberal]

154. I do understand what you're saying there.

I think when people don't understand what the other is saying, they have a tendency to flame each other like there's no tomorrow. Understandable.

You're absolutely right that investigations need to be done first. Once the investigations get underway and expose the crimes, dirty tricks and secrets, the public demand for impeachment is ultimately what will get our elected officials to act. If bipartisan investigations get really down and dirty, public opinion is what will ultimately have an impact and the better chance you have of getting impeachment AND conviction.

You even said you didn't think anything would come of the Watergate hearings, but once everything unfolded, people couldn't ignore it and then the Republicans went and told Nixon it was time to call it quits.

If you want to see a little scenario I put together as to how I think it will play out, check post #140 below.

Sorry if I got all personal and went kind of postal on you earlier. I just thought you were having trouble seeing my point. Forgive me and just ignore those rants.

[elocs]

157. Thank you for your words and I wish that every and any disagreement here

at DU could be handled with dignity and respect for one another.

I would be the first to admit that I didn't think anything would come of the Watergate hearings (I thought I said that long ago?). I was in college at the time and working the board at our college PBS station while the hearing seemed to drag on and they seemed to boring, although not in hindsight. Those hearing lead the groundwork for Nixon's pending impeachment which he avoided by resigning. I think that model is more likely here. Investigations would be like the DA gathering all of the evidence together prior to indictment (in this case, impeachment). The horse should be before the cart. This would all look much better if there had been hearings going on for a year or so before this time. That is why I fear there is not enough time for impeachment and trial without having it look like to the American public that the Democrats are trying to railroad Bush along. But unexpected things can and may happen and there is no way of knowing what investigations will expose. We really do need a prominent Republican to stand up and say, as Senator Howard Baker famously said during the Watergate hearings, "What did the President know and when did he know it?"

[Tellurian]

130. That Summary is ALL WRONG...

Both would be Impeached and Pelosi would assume President Pro Tempore.

[AZBlue]

159. Exactly! Many DU'ers conveniently forget there's a process involved.

eom

[oasis]

5. The "Cowboy" must put away his dreams of future children reading about

"The Bush Doctrine". Chimpy has surpassed Herbert Hoover as the worst president ever. That's what "W" stand for.

"W" :puke: to the chief.

[opihimoimoi]

20. Bush ain't no Cowboy...he don't even ride horses.....can't stand them...

W is for WORST...I love it, LOL

Come, we go eat sashimi and wasabi, cold beer and a nice rolled up fish....

[bdamomma]

25. let him ride off on his bike to the closest penitentiary

[elocs]

6. A very good many Americans would look upon a President Pelosi as a bloodless coup.

We can only hope that such a far out scenario would be bloodless. The odds are very, very high that Bush serves out his term and at worst (best?) Cheney might resign because of "health" reasons. Please engage in fantasies if it makes you feel better, but try to keep some small line that keeps you tethered to reality.

[Independent_Liberal]

41. Please remember this about Bush.

He's somebody who's never finished anything before in his life.

[opihimoimoi]

53. He is doomed to be a life time non finisher and the WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY of the UNIVERSE

[Patchuli]

79. Considering the "bloodless coup" of 2000

it sounds about right to me.

[elocs]

118. It doesn't really matter because it is not going to happen.

When Pelosi says impeachment is off the table, what part of that do you not understand? Pelosi, like any smart DA, will not indict when there is no possibility of conviction. She does know that investigations and oversight hearings will go far to accomplishing the same thing. Bush will never be convicted and he will finish his term. If you think otherwise, be prepared to be disappointed. For now, I will trust Pelosi and Conyers and our other Democratic leadership who are not screaming and demanding 24/7 for immediate impeachment.

[Independent_Liberal]

122. How much do you wanna bet?

I'll bet you $20 he's not going to be president come January 1, 2008. Just remember to check back with me then.

[Fiendish Thingy]

149. I'll bet you $100 Pelosi will not be President...

I will donate $100 to the charity of your choice if Nancy Pelosi is sworn in as President before Jan. 20, 2009. It ain't gonna happen...despite the letter of the law, impeachment is a political act, with a huge impact on the American psyche...even if the votes could be mustered, simultaneous impeachment would never happen.

If, as I hope, investigations force the MSM to cover the evils committed by Bush/Cheney over the last 6 years, thus raising the general population's awareness of the need for impeachment proceedings, I would expect Cheney to be targeted first, and Bush would be allowed to name a successor. The Dems would not block the naming of a VP just so they could then impeach Bush and elevate Pelosi to the White House- can you imagine the fallout from that? Remember many of these are the same dems who would not filibuster Roberts or Alito, voted for the Iraq war, voted for the Patriot Act, voted for the Military Commissions Act, etc. etc. With few exceptions, they are not about to stick their necks out to put Pelosi in the White House.

Nevertheless, as I said, if Pelosi is sworn in as President prior to 01/20/09, I will not only donate $100 to the charity of your choice, but, because I will be overjoyed at this historic event, I will also send you your choice of flowers or candy!

Now, since you are 100% per cent certain Pelosi will be President, will you match my bet? If Nancy Pelosi is not sworn in as President before 01/20/09, will you donate $100 to my charity of choice? You can leave out the flowers/candy, as I'm allergic, and on a diet...

:0

[Independent_Liberal]

152. I never said I was 100% certain Pelosi would be President.

I think it would be more likely that this scenario that pat_k mentioned recently would occur.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k

<snip>

The Dems just need to make sure the public knows that it is up to Bush and Cheney to "spare the nation" from the disruption of impeachment by doing the following:

Cheney resigns, Bush nominates new VP.

The VP must be confirmed by both the House and Senate. Since we elected these folks, if they object to a nominee, that objection reflects our will.

Bush resigns, new VP is sworn in as President.

New President nominates a VP.

Once again, the VP he/she nominates must be confirmed by both the House and Senate, and therefore meets with our approval (through the people who represent us).

The Democratic members of the Congress fighting for impeachment need to sincerely express their fervent hope that Bush and Cheney do this. They need to be clear that they want things to play out this way because they do not want the nation to have ANY Question about whether or not their motivation is partisan.

Of course, if Bush and Cheney choose to be forcibly removed through impeachment, then the succession We the People have established in the 25th amendment will govern, and the Democratic Speaker will take the office of the Presidency. Since this succession is in accordance with the laws we established, it is also a reflection of our will.

Pointing out the choices that are available to the criminals in the WH could be a very effective way to speed up the whole process. It shifts the accusations that "they are subjecting the nation to a long painful process" to Bush and Cheney.

Republicans are likely to be VERY motivated to pressure Bush and Cheney to take the resignation "exit strategy."

<snip>

[Fiendish Thingy]

156. My mistake...$100 wager still stands for OP

I misread your statement that Bush wouldn't be in office come 1/20/09, as supporting the Pelosi as President scenario.

Nevertheless, I will extend my wager to the OP, who does seem to be certain that Pelosi will become president via impeachment. Whether the OP is right, or if your (IL's) scenario comes to pass, it would be a wager I would be happy to lose!

:)

[opihimoimoi]

168. No one said it is certain....it is a possibility that I and others would like to see

I do know this however, Bush has lost it...he has no credibility/respect left...No one TRUSTS him anymore...except for the brainwashed and loyal followers...

And, there is also the possibility of America learning their deep secrets via moles and whistle blowers that is so damaging...them Bush dudes have no choice but to get outta Dodge.

[Fiendish Thingy]

191. I hope you're right, but I wouldn't say "they have no choice"

They could certainly choose to go down in flames, and take the country with them...

[Patchuli]

136. Are you a seer?

Any particular reason you think that Poppy Bush is breaking down in tears in public? You think Chimpy can take this heat mentally? He's cracking. All his bad deeds are coming home to him and the Constitution basically states that it is our DUTY to remove bad elected officials from office to protect this country. I really don't care that Ms. Pelosi said that. She's not the final say on the matter. WE are. And WE need to hold this miscreant responsible. He's caused too much death and destruction in search of his 'manhood.' No amount of family wealth or influence is going to save his pitiful chickenshit chickenhawk butt this time.

[elocs]

160. Are the ones who are absolutely certain that the perfect storm scenarios

portrayed for impeachment/conviction are they seers? They are also absolutely convinced that what they wish for will be reality and reality is a bitch which you just cannot wish away.

[Name removed]

171. Deleted message

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[elocs]

173. I sorry that you are apparently not adult enough to deal with opinions

that differ from your own because you certainly not a grown up. I am neither a Republican plant or a troll and have voted for Democrats since 1972, and I have worked for and given money to Democratic candidates. That being said, I have reported your post and will put you on my ignore list. Please feel free to do the same with me and then you won't have to deal with opinions that differ from yours.

See Rules, Civility:

"Do not publicly accuse another member of this message board of being a disruptor, conservative, Republican, FReeper, or troll, or do not otherwise imply they are not welcome on Democratic Underground. If you think someone is a disruptor, click the "Alert" link below their post to let the moderators know."

[symbolman]

99. A very good many people posting here

with disabled profiles seem to doubt those who demand responsibility from Bush and this govt.. seems to happen more and more, do they also want a 'Transparent' govt?

Cheney is forced out with threats of Impeachment or legal attacks, the New Veep who has to please a DEM congress has the ability to declare BUSH INSANE, and then Bush is OUT, leaving that Republican PRESIDENT.

Then the DEMS get to CHOOSE who will be the Next new veep by refusing to allow anyone that will be an obstructionist to democracy, and in this fashion BUSH AND CHENEY ARE GONE.

Simple really. If anyone is engaging in fantasy I think it might be you. Check out the constitution, all of this is VERIFIABLY Justified and VERY Possible.

[elocs]

116. My profile tells you exactly what I think.

Please tell me the Democratic leaders who are calling for impeachment right now. That many? Guess what? X for you.

[symbolman]

124. Yeah, just like the transparency offered here by you

A Big Fat ZERO.

I guess I'll just hit the bullshit button and make the static go away now.

Just for your info, I NEVER take anyone's opinion seriously when they disable their profile. I know there's no rule against NOT having one. But for me it just says it all.

PT CRUISER.

[Bridget Burke]

112. A good many Americans look at the 2000 Selection as a bloodless coup.

But there's been plenty of blood since then.

[jgraz]

7. I momentarily renounce atheism to pray that you are correct

And...I'm back...

O8)

[BlackVelvet04]

8. I want some of whatever you are smoking....;-)

Seriously, your optimism and enthusiasm is nice but I truly don't see this happening.

I would love to be wrong.

[wildbilln864]

14. A real investigation......

of sept 11th would do it!

[petgoat]

84. Which is why I don't want a premature impeachment on the

easy grounds.

I want the 9/11 widows to get their 300 questions answered
(200 of which got no response at all, and 63 of which
got inadequate responses).

http://www.justicefor911.org/Appendix4_FSCQuestionRatings_111904.php

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. Pelosi is third in line

and with the DEMS in control of Congress after January, it is very likely that both Bush and Cheney will soon be forced to resign. If that happens then Pelosi will be cleaning up the WH and Congress.

[opihimoimoi]

17. We should be sending her BIG BROOMs to do the job, LOL

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. Oh no

for Italians brooms can be bad luck.

When you move into a new house, you are supposed to throw out all the old brooms the previous tenants leave behind.

[opihimoimoi]

21. So whats wrong with NEW BROOMS??? Jus askin.... :o)

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. Your suppose to buy your own brooms

I guess technically someone can buy you a new broom after you move in but from an Italian POV, I would prefer some other cleaning items instead.

There's a similar superstition for knives. You're not suppose to give knives has a gift to an Italian, otherwise they are suppose to pay you back for them.

(This may only apply to Sicilians, since I got all this nonsense from my mother, but it doesn't hurt to play it safe with these things.)

[opihimoimoi]

29. Ok...Change everything to Vacum cleaners....lol

[DoYouEverWonder]

31. A bit expensive for a joke

Maybe bottles of disinfectant would be more appropriate?

[opihimoimoi]

36. Pine Oil??? Clorox??

[DoYouEverWonder]

38. I'd go with the Pine Oil

Too much Clorox could be considered a WMD.

[calimary]

44. Lysol, and exorcism oil.

And the phone number for a good exterminator. (Hey, where's tom delay when you need him? :rofl:)

[opihimoimoi]

59. Get that E Oil going....git the GOP Jynx outta the White House...

[TygrBright]

82. Not just Italians. When I was a kid...

...if someone gave you a knife (like a pocketknife for a birthday present,) you had to immediately hand them a penny. Otherwise the juju was very, very bad.

Curious custom.

reflectively,
Bright

[tammywammy]

19. It's a stretch to think that would happen

If anything, Cheney would resign, Bush gets to appoint someone. If Bush is impeached that VP would become President.

It would be a lot more manuvering to get Pelosi into the Presidency, which won't happen.

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. That's why the Dems have to make sure

that whatever ends up being the straw that breaks the camel's back takes out both of them at the same time.

What worked in the early 70's will not work this time around and the Dems don't have to allow it.

[opihimoimoi]

23. Stranger things have happened in Humanities Past.....

Ask Mr Murphy....

[petgoat]

86. If Cheney resigns, Bush gets to appoint the new Vice President.

Then if Bush resigns, the new VP is Pres.

But.... (correct me if I'm wrong) the Senate has
to confirm Bush's VP before he or she can take office.

[DoYouEverWonder]

105. That's why we need to wait until January

and Bush & Cheney must be forced to resign together.

With the Dems in charge of Congress, this scenario is a real possibility.

[leveymg]

106. Do you think 51 Senators would vote against John McCain?

I don't.

[petgoat]

141. They don't have to vote against. They just have to delay the

vote. Tie it up in hearings.

[leveymg]

165. Hmm. That's a different proposition, provided

the Dems can maintain unity in a closure vote.

[Independent_Liberal]

48. I want whatever you naysayers are smoking that makes you think it won't happen.

Sorry, I can't help myself.

[deutsey]

128. That was my first thought...but let's hope our jaded cynicism will be vanquished

:-)

[MrSlayer]

9. And you say this because?

What makes you think it's over? What bombshell has dropped that will force this administration to resign? These cocksuckers will get away with all that they have done. Not only will they not be impeached, they will continue on profiteering because no one will have the guts to even bring up impeachment. Unless something drastic happens, and I doubt it will, Chimp is in the White House until 2009.

[Independent_Liberal]

45. That's right. Keep saying it naysayers. Fight it. Fight it. You don't want anything good to happen.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[opihimoimoi]

51. The signs abound the end is near for the BushCo...they look like shit

here in the USA and abroad....Bush looks like crap, sounds worse, thinks at 5th grade levels, and acts like he belongs in the Bar.

[MrSlayer]

73. Hope is the denial of reality.

I certainly want them impeached and imprisoned but it's just not going to happen. I'd love to be wrong about this but the unfortunate fact is that these criminals will walk into the private sector to gain even more ill-gotten wealth.

[Independent_Liberal]

76. Defeatist.

Just keep letting the Bushes get away with it. Maybe next time we'll get beaten to death.

[MrSlayer]

147. Don't blame me, I'm not in Congress.

I'm not letting anyone get away with anything. I've been preaching this stuff for a few years now to no avail. I just don't believe the incoming congress will do anything about this shit.

[petgoat]

87. You're mighty sure of yourself.

"just not going to happen."

"the unfortunate fact is that these criminals will walk"

Wow. A 20/20 clairvoyant! What stocks do you like?

[MrSlayer]

148. Oil futures.

Even though oil prices are high now, they are going to go through the roof again soon. Also, the San Diego Chargers are going to win the Super Bowl. Get down on this now.

[elocs]

158. How is it any different or more clairvoyant than the ones who claim it is a certainty

that Bush will be impeached, convicted, and then sent to the Hague for trial for war crimes?

[petgoat]

176. How is it any different

Because when you say "Bush will be impeached and sent to the Hague for war crime trials"
obviously you're expressing a predictive opinion.

The poster in question claimed that he could state what "the unfortunate fact is."

Also, his title "Hope is the denial of reality" stated pretty emphatically that
all hopes for impeachment are vain.

[elocs]

180. I have frequently seen here the impeachment of Bush and his removal from office

presented as a reasonable and inevitable fait accompli, while those who have a differing opinion that impeachment and conviction are an unreasonable outcome given the Senate makeup and time left and they are accused of being clairvoyant or being able to see the future. For those who want and demand to see the impeachment and conviction of Bush it is more of a visceral, emotional response. Those who look at the possible impeachment/conviction scenarios and perfect storm as being unlikely are making a more straightforward examination of the facts. One undeniable fact is that Pelosi has said that impeachment is off the table and other Democratic leaders agree with her. Until and unless that changes, there will be no impeachment no matter how many jump up and down and spit nails demanding it.

[opihimoimoi]

183. The pressure to force Bush to resign may come from the GOP themselves for obvious reasons

Our Dems don't have to do a thing.....

[nadinbrzezinski]

211. Oh contraire

WE AT THE NET ROOTS have to keep the pressure going.

If they don't think they have the POLITICAL CAPITAL to spend, nothing will happen

'twas the same way in '73

[opihimoimoi]

215. Bush has no capital left to spend...he is broke

[conscious evolution]

108. If you want one bombshell fixing to drop

I would recommend the CorpGovActivist and Idesof October journals here on DU.These guys are part of a concerted effort to get rid of bushco.And they have the evidence to do it too.

[BrotherBuzz]

11. Cheney is the firewall - he will retire and be replaced before hell breaks loose

I wonder who his replacement will be?

[NashVegas]

123. I Was Thinking That Same Thing

I can see them going for McCain (as distasteful that will be for them), or possibly even Frist(!).

[RC]

12. If you are paying attention to the news, bu$h is being stopped.

Start paying attention here.

[opihimoimoi]

16. Bush is stopped and is looking more and more like somethin the cat dragged in

The ISG has given him a BlkEye and revealed Bush is a Fraud....this is a sign Bush may not last very much longer...he has no credibility left....

[QuestionAll...]

35. I guess I'm just too crusty - I don't see it in that optimistic way at all.

All I'm hearing from the ISG blather is 'lets look forward' to solve this, in some way. we're not exactly sure how, or when this May happen or what when wrong, exactly when. but lets look forward and not backward to point fingers of blame. Lets work together on this (pop up video - wow, Novel Idea! who would have thought of That! and only at a price tag of a million bucks, all this valuable information!)

i see nothing to celebrate about - same old regurigated crap to keep us hopeful for a few days then dash our brains out with some other horror in a week.

[Botany]

24. But this would make HW cry

:rofl:

[opihimoimoi]

28. Whats one cryin if the Nation is Laughing....:o)

[Botany]

32. i really think HW knows this is coming and that caused his breakdown

I bet a lot of families that lost people in this stupid as war would not
be crying if Bakker, Jeb, Harris, & the rest had not messed w/ Florida in 2000.

[opihimoimoi]

34. Yup, the END is Near for the Bushies...their House of Cards are falling

and the dad knows it...

[petgoat]

88. Maybe Poppy was crying because if Jeb had won that race

he would have been on schedule to be President instead of W?

[seriousstan]

30. Wanna bet?

[stevedeshazer]

33. I love you, and I share your dream.

It won't happen.

Everything in your post is true, except that there won't be any meaningful change in BFEE policy.

Fuck him squared: Until he's out, he still calls the shots.

20th of January 2009 at noon. That's a long time.

[opihimoimoi]

37. Oh well, it was a thought....but then...strange things happen on the way to San Jose...

[Disturbed]

42. More training for the Iraqi Troops?

More heavy equipment, helicopters etc.? Wasn't this tried in Vietnam? I see this as a pathetic attempt to prolong the US Occupation. I don't think it will work out too well. Maybe if this would have been done two years ago it would have helped. It's way too late now.

[roamer65]

39. The fun has only begun...

There will be a full-blown political civil war between the neoliberal and neoconservative wings of the Rethuglican party and Raisinbrain's so-called administration. Meanwhile, Iraq will just continue to fester.

[opihimoimoi]

40. As Bush digs in defensively....hardening his position while claiming bi partisonship, he weakens him

self to the point of uselessness and meaningless.

Bush/Cheney is Passe...kaput,

[Independent_Liberal]

43. Yup, I think you've got it.

Don't listen to the naysayers. They're working overtime to squash all hope.

[opihimoimoi]

47. Just the thought of a President Pelosi is driving the freeps nutz

That its become a possibility is creating apolexies and cardio events...

[Independent_Liberal]

139. Yes, ophi. Sorry elocs thinks he absolutely knows everything for a fact and

anybody who thinks otherwise is living in fantasy. If he wants to be that way and not listen to what anyone else has to say, fine.

[Quixote1818]

46. I think Daddy Bush knows this in his gut. Thats why he started crying

yesterday.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. I think I agree with you

the bush family legacy is now going down the drain, FAST

And junior may actually face time in the big house too. Nixon... well he was pardoned for the good of the country, but what he did was a pikers event compared to george... who is... INOCENT until found guilty by a jury, the part about his peers will be hard to find, as well as an unbiased jury

[opihimoimoi]

50. Yup, see #32 Botany post

[Botany]

52. i just read parts of the I.S.G. report

It starts out bad and gets worse .....
Betya that old crook Bakker let Poppy in on it.



However if he, Jebbie, Harris, and Bakkerhad not screwed w/ Florida
in 2000 then we would not be having all these other people cry

[opihimoimoi]

55. Bush looked sour and sounded like he had a blackeye....he is fini

[Botany]

58. 1st 2 lines of I.S.G. report

There is no guarantee of success. In Baghdad and in several of the provinces the
situation is dire.

[opihimoimoi]

60. Its a SNAFU...which is normal for BushCo and his cronies....

[Doctor_J]

54. Pehaps you missed the news

Gates was confirmed 95-2. I don't really see how impeachment is likely when we can't keep a traitor out of the cabinet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. I personally read taht

as Senior trying hard to wrest control from junior to save whatever they can


Junior IS loosing control and daddy knows best... of course no bush is good for us but that is the way I read it.

It was truly a... you are not Rummmy, you sure? ok.

[opihimoimoi]

57. Too Little Too Late for damage control....Bush Ship is listing too far to Port side...

Engine room flooded, no power, no steam, no lights...no commander....Officer corp already in the lifeboats, crew still on board with passengers...situation grim...

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. Oh it is too late

but teh fact they got Gates in, could be seen as problematic...

The question is, is it too late for the country?

[opihimoimoi]

62. The Nation most likely will recover/rebound....wounded as we are, common sense

will take us to the Land of Reality....

Bush and his Fantasies are on the OUTs

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. My cynical side says we crossed the rubicon

I take heart in those timeless words, about consent of the governned and in the course of human affairs... you get the picture

But I do hope you are right... because if I am right, I don't this genertion is hungry enough YET to take that course

[opihimoimoi]

64. This past election is but a clue of how the Nation has awakened

to the dangers of GOPism. America has seen the fruits of the GOP...its been all sour/bitter....and now, its painful too. them thorns are nasty.

Peeps are hungry for Sanity...not Bushies Fantasy...

[conscious evolution]

109. I think there is more tto Baker's

confirmation than meets the eye.It has setup written all over it,imo.

[LeftCoast]

65. Not gunna happen

Not that I'm opposed to it, but I think a lot of people are setting themselves up for a major disappointment.

[opihimoimoi]

69. I know, its a long shot....but if we could wish, if we could hope...then let us look for a

Real Change in a President Pelosi....

[LeftCoast]

71. As a San Franciscan, I would LOVE to see Pres. Pelosi

I just hate to see people get their hopes up for something that (to me) seems so very unlikely. I'm still basking in the after-glow of Nov 7th. I'm so thrilled we have taken control of Congress that I'm content to cut the Dems *some* slack for a while. :)

[petgoat]

89. Complacency is the greatest danger. We have to keep

pushing to get rid of the voting machines. If we don't it's
going to be exit poll discrepancies all over again in 2008.

We have to keep pushing for new 9/11 investigations.

We have to keep pushing on the Downing Street Memos.

[LeftCoast]

170. On the other hand, we need to fight the battles we can win

I choose not to spend my energy on things that have very little chance of succeeding especially when there are so many other things that energy could be used for.

[petgoat]

175. Only 16% of Americans believe the official story of 9/11.

36% believe the Bush administration was complicit in the attacks.
That's 84% who think we've been lied to. Americans want a new
investigation.

[opihimoimoi]

66. If Pelosi somehow gets to be President, does a good job, she could be there for 10 years!!!

Talk about upsetting the applecarts, thats a plural....

[savemefromdumbya]

67. Nancy will have to order some new curtains for the white house

President Pelosi here we come

[opihimoimoi]

70. Fumigation has to be first, followed by the De Bugging Team

Will Nancy go for the Laura Ashley or the Martha Stewart Look?

[petgoat]

90. She'd better check the place with geiger counters nt

[WritersBlock]

74. Hope you're right, but these bastards will do anything for their own political & financial survival.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to suddenly see some catastrophe happen in the near future - something that'll send the sheep scampering back in a blind panic into the safe, welcoming arms of DaddyDubyaTheProtector and/or UncaDicktheStrong for comfort & "safety."

These criminals won't go down without a fight, and they don't care what damage they do to you, me, or the rest of the country and the world in the process.

[WritersBlock]

75. Damn! That was my 666th post!

Wasn't intentional, but it does reinforce a theory of mine. 'nuff said.

[Yukari Yakumo]

77. Won't happen

First there needs to be investigations, gather evidence, etc.
By the time that's done, Chimpy will be on his way out.
The Hague may be interested in what is dug up though...

[petgoat]

91. The evidence has been gathered. There have been

investigations. The case is already made based on mainstream news.

All that's needed is subpoenas. And when that starts happening they'll
all be screaming "It wasn't me! It was him, I tell ya! He made me do
it! It was him!" And they'll be scrambling all over each other to rat
each other out.

[opihimoimoi]

95. The Rats will eat their own...I love it....

[paulk]

78. far more likely that Cheney resigns

so that the Repubs can put someone else in the VP slot in case Bush gets impeached

no way would the Republicans let Pelosi get the Presidency, and you need Republican votes to impeach.

[petgoat]

92. The 25th Amendment provides that the new VP must be

confirmed by a majority vote of both houses of Congress.

[paulk]

134. well...

what that means is that the VP would most likely be a moderate Republican, acceptable to the Democrats, since the Democrats would not accept another neocon. The executive is still going to get to nominate their choice, and with 2/3rds vote needed in the Senate (to impeach the President), they still hold the trump card.

[petgoat]

143. If we get aggressive investigations, with subpoenas flying around

about

the election dirty tricks
about the voting machines
about the Abramoff scandals
about the 9/11 coverups
about Paul Wellstone
about the anthrax
about the KBR cost-plus contracts in Iraq
about Halliburton's no-bid contracts
about Bechtel's pre-paid no-perform contracts
about gross negligence pre-9/11
about the Phoenix memo and the Colleen Rowley memo and David Schippers
about Sibel Edmonds
about Indira Singh
about Ptech and the drugs and the FAA-NORAD interoperability software
about Condi lying under oath about the 8-6 PDB
about gov't-produced propaganda aired as news on TV
about media intimidation as referenced by Dana Priest recently
about Val Plame
about Brewster Jennings and the CIA disruption of the attempt to smuggle WMD into Iraq
about Ali Mohammed's ties to the FBI and the CIA and his close proximity to al Qaeda

in a few months all these evil-doers will turn on each other, and you won't get anyone
to defend Bush or his right to choose a successor.

[Tom Joad]

80. Speaker Pelosi will do all in her power to prevent that scenario

[TygrBright]

81. From your keyboard to Whoever's Cranking, opi... n/t

[go west young man]

83. Never underestimate the ways of Bush and the Neocons.

I would put money on them pulling a Gulf Of Tonkin incident with Iran and exacerbating war rather than them admitting to their crimes and pulling out of Iraq. That way they would at least be able to buy themselves time while continuing with the PNAC agenda. Rather than standing trial for war crimes and being impeached.

[Swamp Rat]

85. YAAY!!! PRESIDENT PELOSI!!!

:bounce:

[opihimoimoi]

96. Doncha jus love the sound of it....? Them GOPers would have an apolexy

They would go nuts on us....

[JeremyWestenn]

93. I strongly doubt that will happen.

First off, if your of the opposite party and Speaker of the House it is incredibly unlikely that that person would choose to succeed the Presidency. If I am correct, not sure, I believe during Nixon's impeachment the Speaker was of the opposing party, and I believe that perosn may have even said that he would not accept the Presidency. I may be off here but the fact remains that the following is true. If Pelosi were to ascend to the Presidency it could cause INCREDIBLY discontent to the Democratic party. I believe people would allmost feel like they cheated their way into the Presidency, sort of circumventing being elected. Of course that only implies if whatever investigations are coming reveal impecahable offenses that do not stir the American population up. The only way that I could see Pelosi ascending to the Presidency via line of succession is if the entire population is pretty much in full support of impeachment, that the offenses are that great and offensive so as to cause a huge swing of people to support impeachment and maybe even literally support her. Then again if it is the other way around, the country being split as to whether or not he should be impeached, and she ascends to the Presidency it could very well cause us to loose the Congress and Senate. It could ltierally energize people to change the motion.

Personally, I don't think impeachment will happen. I'm not sure what investigations will bring, but we'll see what comes. There is always the possibility that Pelosi, assuming both President and VP were impeached, might shake her head at the Justice coming to swear her in and let the next person receive the White House. It could be incredibly damaging to the party if she were to ascend. I'd rather put a Democrat into the White House via a general election personally.

We'll see what happens. But I wouldn't count my eggs before they hatched.

[opihimoimoi]

94. Admitedly, its a stretch...long shot...but, just the thought brings smiles

and it must drive the freeps up the wall...

[PRETZEL]

125. I think this is a good point,

What I fear must be remembered is that Bush cannot run for another term. Cheney's popularity is sitting somewhere just above sub-zero so we can pretty much assume he's a non-factor in 2008. And given the scathing nature (or at least from what I've heard, I haven't read it) of the ISG report there will be very few, if any, viable candidates for President coming from within the administration itself. For me, there can't be any greater definition of a lame duck administration that what we're currently seeing. They have no cards left to play.

What I think Congress needs to do in the next 2 years is show the people that they're willing to get to the truth of what the misdeeds were in the Bush Administration and why those led to the Iraq conflict. There has been a great deal of information already out there but as yet there hasn't been the Congressional investigations done to give that information the legitimacy it deserves. Once this is done then I believe you'll see the people calling en masse for the resignation of both Bush and Cheney. I think it becomes incumbant for the people to take the lead which ultimately takes any type of partisan arguments off the table.

[opihimoimoi]

187. The Pubs have no choice but to evict the dude and his partner Cheney

That is to say IF THEY WISH to salvage their Party. The longer they take the more damage Bush will inflict...

Some are saying it already...Bush gatta go....

who knows what will happen nx...

[donheld]

100. From your lips

to God/Goddess/Karma/Allah whatever you want to call it's ears.

[iconoclastic cat]

101. Well, maybe not for Bush, but it's over for Republicans. nt

[Hubert Flottz]

102. Are America learning?

I don't think so. The Bullshit report is another made for TV hoax, at the taxpayer's expense. A Karl Rove production. Same Old Shit! Stagecraft.

Just pay your taxes, donate your kids to the meatgrinder in Iraq and STFU! Love it or lump it!

Edit...ISG = Ignorant Sicko Gasbags = More BushCobots

The ISG is like trying to put a hot patch on the flaming Hindenburg.

[opihimoimoi]

110. Love it or Lump it?? The Peeps have decided to Pump it with LUMPs on the GOP

Enough Peeps have taken to the NEW COFFEE and the NEW VISINE to make the difference in elections...the GOP/Bush cannot fool to rule anymore.

The People are tired of BS and Crap coming from the Gov't, our Gov't. Bush ain't fooling much these days...Youtube, etc are on his ass 24/7.....killing the dude with clips of him doing dufus.

The ISG has given BushCo 2 blk eyes....after that...not very much....

[Hubert Flottz]

111. What are the odds that James Baker is up to ANYTHING to help

anyone besides BushCo? The one thing is gone in America, that a democracy has to have, for it to work...TRUST.

I wouldn't trust the people on that ISG pannel in a shithouse with a muzzle on. The same deal as the Bogus 9/11 commission. Every democrat on either pannel, is a globalast gangster and a DLC drone.

[opihimoimoi]

132. You are right....the TRUST is NADA...GONE....ZILCH...

Along with Respect/Credibility/etc.....its all gone...no one belkieves the GOP/Bush anymore....

[Hubert Flottz]

133. Only a total fool would believe them now.

The kind of fool that still believes Jerry, Pat, Jim and Tammy!

The fundies have hurt America far more that the Islamic people ever dreamed of hurting us. Bush is proof of that!

I will not forgive them EVER!

[opihimoimoi]

137. Hate to say it but there be tons of FOOLS STLL AROUND

shoving their shit on our heads....damn them forever

[Philosoraptor]

103. You could be right.

I remember Nixon.

[Swamp Rat]

104. I wish I didn't!

:puke:

[Ganja Ninja]

115. Not going to happen for at least a year.

We are headed for a very ugly ending in Iraq where American troops will have to fight their way out. When it's over I think the public will demand both his and Cheney's removal.

[sam sarrha]

117. he's mentally ill, he feels gOD told him to go into Iraq, cant fail gOD, that is why he wont change

what he is doing there, he cant fail gOD

[earth mom]

119. I'll K & R this one...

though I'd like to know just how you came to the conclusion that it's over, done for * & Co...?

Not that I'm complaining...no, not at all. :evilgrin:

[opihimoimoi]

121. The evidence is the election and this ISG Report....Bush has no

credibility....

Sleepless nights in the WHITE HOUSE???

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

135. He would do what Nixon did. Agnew went first and Nixon appointed Ford. eom

[opihimoimoi]

138. But Bush is the head of the SNAKE...its he that gatta go along with Darth

and be fired/impeached/removed for the good of the Nation...its them that fucked it all up and its them that gatta go...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

142. Of course he does, but the move will be to oust Cheney first so the

Shrub can ensconce the next President. There is no way that these criminals will allow Nancy Pelosi to become President.

[opihimoimoi]

166. The move to Impeach will likely come from another quarter than the DEMs

Some Republican may stand up and demand for Bushes ass on a platter.

Some evidence may surface that would be so bad the SAhrub/Cheney would have little choice but to step down...

Who Knows whad will happen in 24 months?

It could very well be outta Bushies Control.....

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

172. But if the push is from the Republicans (like with Nixon), they will make sure

that they will have a viable Republican in there as VP before bringing down the Shrub.

[opihimoimoi]

207. Its all in the Timing....I canardly wait...LOL

[Fiendish Thingy]

150. BTW, yesterday was the anniversary of Ford

being sworn in as VP.

[opihimoimoi]

167. Whad a koinkidink....I hear he is still living and doing well....

[Fiendish Thingy]

192. Not so sure about the doing well part...

he was hospitalized earlier this year, I forget what for (probably related to being 90+ years old).

[opihimoimoi]

204. I guess he doing well enough not to be in the hospital/coma

[Independent_Liberal]

140. Ophi, there's always this scenario.

Items #1-5 have already happened. I just added them in. #6-24 is what I think is still to come.

IRAQ, PLAME, ABRAMOFF, BIG OIL, DOJ, FBI, CIA, DIA, DOD, CENTCOM, NORAD, NSC, NSA, FAA, ETC.
All Roads Lead To
9/11 COMMISSION COVER-UP

Endgame: The Perfect Storm
What sets it off?

1. Some interesting things start to come to light at the William Jefferson Capitol Hill FBI raid hearings. A few whistleblowers step forward at the open and closed door House and Senate subcommittee hearings on NSA domestic spying and the Pentagon’s 9/11 “Able Danger” program and more interesting info is revealed. More damaging info is revealed at the House and Senate Katrina hearings.
2. Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald manages to obtain info from White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove in the CIA Leak investigation. This is related to missing emails from Cheney’s office and White House documents requested by Federal Judge Reggie Walton. Former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage provides some information to Fitzgerald on Robert Novak and the leak.
3. The Democrats win back Congress and the majority of the Governorships in the November 2006 midterm elections. They get a solid majority in the House and a narrow majority in the Senate.
4. Rumsfeld resigns after the election.
5. Bush chooses Robert Gates from James Baker’s Iraq Study Group to replace Rumsfeld.
6. After Bob Ney’s guilty plea, the Department of Justice, the FBI, the Criminal Division, Federal Prosecutors and Senate Investigators get some cooperation in the Abramoff case and the “Duke” Cunningham bribery case. A GOP security aide comes forward with evidence relating to New Hampshire phone jamming at a court testimony. Jack gives up all the information he has on everything including defrauded Indian tribes, gaming casinos, lobbying firms, Greenberg Traurig, illegal campaign contributions sent to GOP Congress people, foreign influence peddling, illegal arms trafficking, the American Turkish Council, Denny Hastert’s ties to Turkish spies and al Qaeda drug money and his shady housing deals, the SunCruz investigation, Guam, Russia, Turkey, Israel, Pakistan, the support of forced abortion and sex slavery in the Marianas, Adam Kidan, Michael Scanlon, Tony Rudy, Neil Volz, David Safavian, Grover Norquist, John Colyandro, Jim Ellis, Tom DeLay’s misuse of the FAA and the DHS, his trips to Russia and the people who turned up dead in his district, DeLay’s ARMPAC, Ney’s golf outings in Scotland, his ties to Iran and use of secret government wiretapping operations with the complicity of phone companies, Americans for Tax Reform fraud, Carl Gutierrez, Felix Camacho, Froilan Tenorio, Haley Barbour, Ernie Fletcher and the Merit system scandal, Bob Taft, Tom Noe and Coingate, Ken Blackwell’s stocks in Halliburton, Leandro Aragoncillo and Philippine spy espionage, domestic espionage, mobsters and Kidan’s link to a Sicilian mafia figure, the Gus Boulis murder case, New Hampshire phone jamming, stolen computers from the Ohio Democratic Headquarters, terrorists at casinos, 9/11 and Mohammad Atta, the Royal Sons LLC plane from Florida with 5.5 tons of cocaine that was raided by the FBI, Saudi money, Ken Lay, Jeff Skilling and Enron, Eric Cantor and AIPAC lobbyists, John Sweeney and Wal-Mart PAC, Charles Taylor and the Russian bank, Tyco, Enron power plant deals, heroin trafficking, money laundering, GOP prostitution rings and pedophiles with ties to Jeff Gannon, child prostitution and sex predator operations in the Marianas, Gale Norton’s Interior Department, J. Steven Griles, Roger Stilwell, Wally O’Dell and Diebold, HAVA, Homeland Security rackets, Ralph Reed, etc. Randy gives up all info on Porter Goss, Kyle Foggo, Brent Wilkes, Mitchell Wade, MZM, Inc., ADCS, Inc., Archer Logistics, Group W advisors, defense contractors, campaign donations to Ney from MZM, Christopher Cox’s ties to Titan Corporation, creation of phony defense companies to get $700,000,000 through earmarks for GOP TV ads, the Wilkes-funded prostitution ring involving Homeland Security Contractor Shirlington Limousine and Transportation Services and hooker and poker parties at the Watergate Hotel. Terrence Gasper rats out a few players in Coingate and Randy, Noe and Ney reveal all their secret Shell Companies who bilked millions while aiding Abramoff/Marianas Islands/Indian Gaming/Rumsfeld’s Pentagon and it’s also revealed that some Republican Congresspersons and Senators had sex while housed in Abramoff's Safe Houses and it wasn't the kind of sex the Dobson's like to talk about. The 60 House Appropriations Committee Investigators who were fired from the investigative staff by Committee Chairman Jerry Lewis in the Hastert/Bid-Rigging/Contractors/Appropriations cover-up go to the DOJ. They blow the whistle on several Republican leaders in the House, Senate and Executive Branch. All this doo doo hits the fan and Hastert, Sweeney, Cantor, John Doolittle, Dana Rohrabacher, Richard Pombo, Roy Blunt, Louis Gohmert, Rick Renzi, J.D. Hayworth, Tom Feeney, Conrad Burns, Virgil Goode, Duncan Hunter, Katherine Harris, Brian Bilbray, etc. are all indicted as well as their staff members (Wilkes is later indicted himself). Also, Austin, Texas District Attorney Ronnie Earle indicts John Cornyn on charges relating to Abramoff-DeLay money, the SEC charges Bill Frist for his insider trading and Tom Reynolds, John Shimkus, Kirk Fordham, Scott Palmer, Rodney Alexander, John Boehner, Jim Kolbe, Ken Calvert, etc. get into some legal trouble in the FBI and House Ethics Committee investigations into the Mark Foley Congressional page sex scandal.
7. National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley is indicted by Fitzgerald for perjury and obstruction of justice and former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith is brought up on espionage charges in the AIPAC case and the forged Niger documents background comes to light from Italian Intelligence. Richard Perle gets implicated in AIPAC as well.
8. Fitzgerald indicts Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for obstruction of justice and Rove is later indicted in the Abramoff investigation (this is related to visits to the White House by Jack and secret meetings set up by Norquist). The number of times Gannon visited the White House later becomes a major news story.
9. Bird flu and other scare viruses prove to be wrong, numbers of illegals in US turn out not to be huge amounts of Mexicans but folks from other countries who've come in under radar, a bunch of info comes to light about massive stock manipulation, hedges and other funds come under scrutiny for bilking average investors and Abu Ghraib pictures that weren’t released come out. The investigations by the DOJ and SEC into Halliburton begin to bear fruit. Several Halliburton whistleblowers give up info on bid rigging, Nigerian bribes, Iraq contractors, Cheney’s Energy Task Force and oil execs cooking the books, Joe Allbaugh, the selling of nuclear reactors to Iran, Middle East pipeline deals and several Republicans with ties to Halliburton lobbyists. Lockheed Martin gets thrown under the bus as well.
10. An Independent Commission to investigate the NSA wiretaps is set up. NSA staffer Russell Tice gives testimony before the Commission. Shortly after, the citizens’ appointed special grand jury to investigate torture allegations is set up.
11. Edmonds v. DOJ – FBI translator Sibel Edmonds takes her case with the DOJ on FBI cover-ups and “State Secrets Privileges” to one of the Federal Courts. At the same time, New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer gets an independent grand jury investigation into the 9/11 events in New York City going. Some family members are alleging a government cover-up. An Independent Prosecutor is appointed to investigate the World Trade Center EPA case, insurance fraud and other unsolved crimes related to the events.
12. Happy New Year. January 2007, 110th Congress, 1st Session – The new Congress is sworn in (with Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader, Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House of Representatives, John Conyers as House Judiciary Committee Chairman, Henry Waxman as House Government Reform Committee Chairman and Louise Slaughter as House Rules Committee Chairwoman).
13. Cheney’s former Chief of Staff I. Lewis Libby is convicted and he implicates Cheney. A bunch of info comes to light about Plame, Halliburton no-bid contracts and Iraq corruption, Iraq contractors scum with “Bag Operations” that netted millions to Neocons, AIPAC, the Energy Task Force and secret energy meetings, Aspen’s Turning and Mexico influence peddling. Cheney is indicted by Fitzgerald for treason, conspiracy, espionage, fraud, grand larceny and tax evasion. Calls are made for his resignation and his head on a silver platter. Cheney resigns. He claims he’s leaving because of health problems.
14. Congress forces Bush to appoint John McCain as Vice President. Both houses of Congress vote overwhelmingly to confirm Vice President McCain.
15. Conyers sets up a House Select Fact Finding Committee to investigate everything (Downing Street Memos, Plame, White House Iraq Group, Iran-Syria Operations Group, Nigerian bribes, AIPAC/Larry Franklin/Steven Rosen/Keith Weissman/Michael Ledeen/Manucher Ghorbanifar, Niger/Yellowcake forgeries, depleted uranium, Patriot Act and IRS abuses, unlawful searches and seizures, indefinite detainment without charge, Dubai Ports deals, mining disasters, Edmonds FBI whistleblower case, Aragoncillo, leaks of classified information and security breaches, NSA and wiretapping without FISA court approval, Gannon, Abramoff, Greenberg Traurig, Marsh & Kroll Management, Cunningham/Wilkes/MZM/Hookergate, Alfonso Jackson and HUD contracts, financial improprieties involving former FDA Commissioner Lester Crawford, Enron, Halliburton-Kellogg Brown & Root, The Carlyle Group, Harken Energy, Bechtel, WorldCom, election fraud, Coingate, torture of prisoners, FEMA’s Katrina response, Pat Tillman’s death, missing billions from Iraq, Pentagon psyops units and secret government propaganda operations in the Office of Special Plans, the firing of Abramoff Prosecutor Frederick A. Black, etc.). Conyers chairs the House Judiciary Committee hearings while Jane Harman and Alcee Hastings chair the Special Select Committee and Silvestre Reyes chairs the House Intelligence Committee hearings. Hearings begin and subpoenas are issued. Susan Ralston, Bernadette Noe, Robert Mueller, George Tenet, Andy Card, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Dan Bartlett, David Addington, Mary Matalin, John Hannah, Ken Mehlman, Gen. Jeffrey Miller, Gen. Richard Myers, Gen. Tommy Franks, etc. are amongst the people subpoenaed. Several whistleblowers from the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, FAA, NSC, State Department and Pentagon step forward to testify. The public hearings are broadcast on television 24/7. Analyses from the 9/11 Commission, the Robb-Silberman Commission and the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction come under review as well as different reports from the DOJ Inspector General’s office. A few Independent Counsels show Congress their findings from grand jury investigations and Justice Department Prosecutors Nathaniel Edmonds and Peter Zeidenberg come forward with info on Safavian and the General Services Administration. Several insiders from AT&T, Bell South and Verizon are forced to release info on phone records and data collected by the NSA. Waxman opens an investigation into Halliburton war profiteering and examines reports from the GAO, House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell opens an investigation into the Energy Task Force and House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations Chairman Dennis Kucinich holds hearings on violations of Federal whistleblower rights by the US Office of Special Counsel and opens a major investigation into Chalabigate, ATC, AIPAC, the Office of Special Plans, Iran, Iraq, WMD’s, intelligence manipulation, the Pentagon’s tracking of Mohammad Atta in the months before 9/11, the massive FBI cover-up in Florida exposed by an Army Intel unit, Turkish spies infiltrating the government, FBI incompetence, penetration of the State Department and Pentagon, illegal payments from foreign lobbying firms to members of Congress, etc. and gets some testimony from Sibel Edmonds and others. Other big House investigations: Cover-ups of pre-9/11 intelligence, 9/11 Commission cover-ups, 9/11 Commission members with ties to oil companies and lobbyists, Larry Silverstein, Paul Bremer, key witnesses left out of the official 9/11 Report, the identification of Atta by “Able Danger,” Christine Todd Whitman and the EPA, 9/11 related corruption in government offices, cover-ups involving Congress people, Federal Judges and DOJ personnel, drug trafficking and money laundering, illegal weapon sales, pre-9/11 insider trading, manipulation of pre-9/11 FBI intercepts, corruption surrounding Supreme Court Justices, Pentagon tapes, NORAD tapes, FBI wiretap translations, the DeLay-Abramoff-SunCruz-Boulis-Mob-Atta connections, destruction of 9/11 FAA tapes, Melek Can Dickerson and the American Turkish Council, Pakistan-ISI connections, Hastert-Abramoff-Livingston Group-Brewster Jennings-MIC Inc.-ATC-ATAA-AIPAC-Feith-Perle connections, K Street lobbyists’ connections to foreign entities, Titan Corporation’s involvement in the Cunningham, Wilkes and Abu Ghraib scandals and how they corrupted the defense and intelligence agencies, penetration of the FBI, AIG, Bank of America, Citigroup, John O’Neill’s murder, Enron Afghani pipeline deals, the death of Enron executive Cliff Baxter, Arthur Anderson’s destruction of Enron documents and the case of drug-linked killings in Mexico that led to a Washington cover-up. After it’s revealed that the 9/11 Commission was a fraud and that the 9/11 Commission Report was filled with distortions, this causes a public outrage and a demand for all Commissioners and Counsels to the Commission to testify under oath before all the House Committees and Subcommittees on Government Reform, Judiciary, Intelligence, National Security and Oversight and Investigations and forces a complete overhaul of the Commission and the installment of a new independent investigation as was wanted by the Jersey girls.
16. The investigation into Senator Paul Wellstone’s 2002 plane crash death is reopened.
17. The Senate sets up an Investigative Committee to investigate Iraq intelligence, Phase II, Plame, NSA, 9/11 oddities, Pat Roberts/Richard Shelby intelligence leak cover-ups, Laura Ingraham’s involvement in campaign phone jamming, Energy Commission cover-ups and other corruption, waste, fraud and abuse and an Independent Prosecutor is appointed. Senate hearings begin and Sibel Edmonds, Richard Grove, Indira Sangh, Russell Tice, Richard Clarke, Coleen Rowley, James Comey, Bunny Greenhouse, Karen Kwiatowski and Lawrence Wilkerson all step forward as witnesses. Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern and Joseph Wilson make appearances before the hearings and Wilson provides information to the Office of the Independent Counsel. Patrick Leahy chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings and Ted Kennedy chairs the Special Select Committee. The Office of Abramoff Special Prosecution Force brings evidence before the Senate. A few other things that get looked into by the Senate include: 1. The cover-up of the cost of the Medicare Bill that the administration asked certain individuals to hide before Congress. 2. John Negroponte's involvement with the School of the Americas and the death squads in South America. This also ropes in Henry Kissinger as well. Michael Hayden, Gonzales, etc. get implicated in this investigation too, when it expands into Abu Ghraib abuses, along with more damning info on what went on in NSA. Porter Goss, Denny Hastert and others testify against these folks, since that power play that Gonzales, Negroponte, etc. engineered to claim the right to searching Congressional offices got folks like Hastert upset. As a result, the School of the Americas will be shut down. 3. Involvement of ChoicePoint in various efforts in orchestrating election fraud in Florida, Ohio, and other places here and their involvement in election fraud in Mexico that helps Obrador force a new election and dismiss the current corrupted results. 4. Securities fraud committed by Diebold and other electronic voting machine companies. Several whistleblowers testify against the CEOs of the companies. SEC investigators come forward with their findings. Diebold’s ties to Abramoff, Ney, Indian tribes, laundered casino money, the Scotland golf junket, Distafano, Roy Coffee and Greenberg Traurig come under scrutiny in this investigation.
18. Subpoenaed conversations, tapes, emails and other materials are delivered to Conyers’ House Judiciary Committee. Some Republicans on the Committee begin asking important questions as to who knew what and when did they know it. Several reporters are grilled before the Committee on the Plame leak (this includes Matt Cooper and others from the New York Times). Chris Matthews is forced to testify before the Select Committee about his role in the Abramoff affair. The most damming evidence of all is Edmonds’ whistleblower allegations of malfeasance in the Pentagon and State Department relating to Turkey, Israel, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, nukes, arms dealers, drug runners, lobbying firms, ATC, AIPAC, MIC, Lockheed Martin, Livingston Group, espionage, Turkish spies, etc. and the Florida/San Diego cover-ups of Cunningham, Wilkes, Wade, Goss, MZM, Hookergate, Mossad and the CIA, DC 9 and the 5.5 tons of cocaine, Abramoff, Kidan, SunCruz, the mob hit of Boulis, ties to the Russian government, etc. Some major smoking guns start to emerge. Hearings are held on Patrick J. Fitzgerald’s investigations of pre-9/11 terrorism cases including the tracking of top al Qaeda leaders and the Ramzi Yousef/Bojinka Two case and this brings up actions of the White House Communications Agency (WHCA) before and after 9/11, the Continuity of Government (COG) program, espionage in the Abramoff and Cunningham scandals linked to the Total Information Awareness (TIA) program, COINTELPRO, government wiretapping, Norman Mineta’s testimony before the 9/11 Commission on Cheney’s “stand down order,” secret energy documents, Boeing, the Saudi-Binladen Group (SBG), Dubai-bin Laden connections, Carlyle-Dubai deals, Enron collapse, ISI, mob links, defense contractors, Ali Mohammad, money from foreign entities funneled to US officials including Congress people, State Department personnel and Pentagon personnel, weapons sales on the nuclear black market, anthrax letters sent to members of Congress, forgeries at the FBI, the penetration of the FBI New York Field Office by an Iranian rouge agent, cases reported by John M. Cole, FISA and Counter Terrorism Intelligence, etc. Fitzgerald gives testimony before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees and Edmonds meets with him in the Office of Special Counsel.
19. As a part of Edmonds and other whistleblowers coming forward on the AIPAC, Plame, and other investigations, this forces a reopening of the investigation of David Kelly’s death (British documents show that it was murder), Judith Miller's complete knowledge of that event, and a complete investigation into whether Brewster Jennings was close to exposing a plot to plant WMD's in northern Iraq that might have happened had Brewster Jennings not been shut down by the Plamegate affair. The House and Senate do joint inquiries into: 1. What pressure BushCo had on trying to accelerate the public airing of the latest terrorist plot before British Intelligence wanted to expose it, thereby losing the opportunity to arrest and contain more folks that were involved in that conspiracy. Related to this, it is looked into who in the Bush administration, and for what reasons, might have leaked A.Q. Khan's name out prematurely, which might have lead to some escaping to further carry out the London subway bombing raids later. 2. What sort of data mining that Bushco wanted to do through Google, Yahoo, AT&T, etc. over and above the NSA wiretaps. It is looked into whether Google or other search engines were asked to have their search hits manipulated at certain times to censor information on sensitive events, etc. too. (I personally suspect that Google was asked to censor certain hits like those having to do with Sibel Edmonds at the time that Larry Franklin was arrested when the AIPAC spy scandal became exposed publicly.)
20. United States v. Bush – One of the whistleblower cases goes to the Supreme Court. One of the conservative justices breaks ranks and sides with the liberals on the matter. It is ruled that Bush must turn over documents on FBI cover-ups from the DOJ Inspector General’s office based on allegations by Edmonds and others. Bush refuses to comply. The Senate holds a censure vote.
21. Congress motions to impeach Bush. The House approves a measure for the House Judiciary Committee to conduct an impeachment inquiry. Impeachment materials and evidence are brought before the Committee. Impeachment proceedings and hearings begin. The House Judiciary Committee begins voting on articles of impeachment. 14 articles are voted out of the Committee including 1. Lying to Congress 2. Abuse of Power 3. Obstruction of Justice, Perjury and Contempt of Congress 4. Disclosing Classified Information 5. Criminal Negligence 6. Bribery, Fraud, Theft and Embezzlement 7. War Crimes 8. Endangering the Security of the Nation 9. Conspiracy 10. Defrauding the Government 11. Negligent Homicide and Reckless Endangerment 12. Biological Weapons 13. Military Action Without Approval from Congress 14. Conspiracy to Commit Fraud Against the People.
22. A small delegation of Congressional Republicans led by Dick Lugar and Trent Lott go up to the White House and urge Bush to resign. They make it clear to him that he’s lost all support from the public and his base and that impeachment, conviction and removal from office is inevitable.
23. Bush resigns to avoid impeachment and get a pardon. He fakes an illness.
McCain is sworn in as President. He appoints George Pataki as his Vice President. Both houses of Congress vote to confirm Pataki. McCain accepts the resignations of all the Bush cabinet members and senior White House staff. And of course, McCain is Jerry Ford until January 2009.

[solara]

164. Whew! I am bookmarking this

Thanks for putting it all together.

:hi:

[opihimoimoi]

169. In this case I happen to think the American People are tired of this pardon shit

Ford pardoned Nixon and got away with it...I was pissed...but what could 1 young guy do? Nothing...

If the Peeps get a whiff of McCain pardoning Bush...things will get ugly...

I happen to think the Bushies are in deep oo...There has to be sumpthin very wrong in there somewhere and if it was to be exposed...the Bushies are toast....the Dems don't have to do a thing...it will have legs on its own...In that context, there will be no room for a McCain....the people will be so angry with the GOP...they will demand Pelosi take the helm...

[Freddie Stubbs]

145. Anyone care to guess when this will happen?

:shrug:

[ProdigalJunkMail]

155. i'm gonna go with never

conviction will not happen despite the dreams of a wishful few...

sP

[Infinite Hope]

162. Won't happen. And our chances in 2008 would be meak. n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

163. No way!

She's a woman and a San Francisco Liberal!!!!

[Hubert Flottz]

177. What I'm extending to the GOP in the name of Piece!

Pub-A-Dub-Dub Give This Nubbin A Rub!(?uck You GOPers)

[opihimoimoi]

178. HF...You mock them GOPers who mocked America for all these past 6 years

From that Bolton guy who went to Florida in 2000 to help stop the recount(we won, get over it) to the Bush mocking us with his condenscending speeches...telling us shit we already know or can see.

I canardly blame you or any one who mocks the GOP...They are on the ropes these daze and we DEMs are not....The GOPers got to be on the ropes because they begged, they worked, they wanted to be there...they lied cheated stole to be there....and it will get worse...soon...they will be on the floor...out for the lunch and never to rebound(who the Hell wants a repeat of what they stand for?)

I am hoping for a Pelosi Presidency just to tease them Pubics.

[Hubert Flottz]

179. Too much reading and digesting their evil pubby playbook...

"Hogan's Pet Goat Husbandry,
For Dolts, Oafs and Idiots"

The GOPers studied long and they studied wrong.

I blame the doctor, or the midwife, who threw out the baby and kept the turd when Calamity George was born.

[opihimoimoi]

185. Calamity George was chosen by them Calamity PUBS who has succeeded in

fucking with the Constitution and the Treasury of this Nation...he has been the worst ...put there by the worst GOP congress ever.

[Hubert Flottz]

188. Commander AWOL couldn't Improvise, adapt and overcome

Couldn't swing the transition from EmBoozeling to Embezzling, because he had a C average mind and then he fried that with loco weeds and hooch. He thought a family value was a $4.00 case of beer at wally world in his formative years that we are all now forbidden and verboten to explore, by whoever it is that forbids things like that there.

On election day the Joe and Jane doe sent a message to BaaaaBushkkka... * "With all due respect, sir, you're beginning to bore the hell out of me."

[opihimoimoi]

189. Them GOPers KNEW he was challenged, they knew he was a dufus...

He had a horrid record in Texas...6 years of crap and deficits...Gov Ann Richards had a surplus and this Dufus spent it all with massive tax cuts for his rich friends...just like he did with the National deal...Bush and his GOP friends now pay the price: They are on the OUTs with the People...

Bush will leave soon enough...but his GOPers...they gatta stay...and they gatta go on...but how can they??? Bush has spoiled the Soup....I say tough shit...They put him there...they pay the orice...NO REBOUND NO SECOND CHANCE

PUBICs...eat shit and die...

[Hubert Flottz]

190. Born to lose and now he's losing face

Let us see your WAR FACE Mr War pResident...



American voters elect presidents..."Supreme" Courts jesters elect CLOWNS!

[opihimoimoi]

194. EEEEwwwwwww Dont let Catwoman see this pic...she would have caniptions

and a hissyfit....LOL

He has lost more than FACE....he has lost his MOJO, his Political Capital, and his high ratings...He is TOAST...somehow, I don't know how...he has done what very few other presidents/rulers did, lose enough face that they go out as LOSERS.....

In that regard...Bush is a Uniter....enough peeps out there are united in the disdain for him that only 27% back his ass...71% got it right in rejecting his so called leadership...err, its more like Losership

[Hubert Flottz]

196. The face is the PLACE!

Let me E-splain Bush's Major Malfunction One More Again!

He has Spuffet's disease...His face looks so much like his ass he don't know which-a-way to turn.

No Known Cure...except, a boot in the ass at an early age!

[opihimoimoi]

197. LOL, but ya got me confused HF...ya just said he has the War Face. Now ya sayin he got the ASS FACE

Which is it??? Inquiring mind wants ta know, ROTFLMAO....

Spffet's Disease my ass.....LOL

[Hubert Flottz]

198. Three # 15 boots in the ass and don't call us we'll call you...

in the morning Chimppy.

I've said it before and I'll say it one more time...George don't have both oars in the water!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2886947&mesg_id=2886947

[opihimoimoi]

203. The GOP foisted the First Dufus on us knowing he ain't got oars

The GOP needs to take them boots up the ass too...

and I like your choice of size...LOL

[KamaAina]

193. Impeach Cheney First!

One, he's guiltier. Think secret meetings with Enron, under-the-table pay from Halliburton, etc.

Two, otherwise, Cheney, not Pelosi, slithers into the White House. :scared:

[opihimoimoi]

195. Them 2 Slitherns gatta go....2x faster than 1 at a time.....

Under Bush:

Homelessness/poverty ....UP

CHEAP JOBS...............UP

Good Jobs................DOWN

WAR WOUNDS/FATALITIES....UP

War EXPENSES.............UP

NATIONAL DEBT............UP

Dufusness................UP

GOPers/ism...............DOWN

E Coli...................UP

GOP Perversion...........UP(oops)

Good Ideas/Solutions.....DOWN

MISERY...................UP

HOPE/PROMISE.............DOWN

should I go on???

[Freddie Stubbs]

200. And then Bush will be able to appoint McCain or Giuliani?

:shrug:

[opihimoimoi]

202. He can appoint but Congress must confirm.....

[pat_k]

209. A necessary litmus test -- No Pardons commitment.

[Freddie Stubbs]

213. I doubt that Congress would refuse to confirm someone as popular as McCain

[opihimoimoi]

214. Things can change, ya never know....

[pat_k]

205. They'll probably take the resignation "exit strategy" to keep the WH in Repub hands.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/12

[opihimoimoi]

206. You might be right...depends on the timing...if they do it now...they will prolly get away

with it....if they wait...things might be so bad...the 2 of them might have to resign en masse.

In a perverse way, Bush has been a boon to the Dems...he has made it possible for the Dem Party to recover both Houses...Only Bush coulda done that with a monumentalk FU...of course he had help from Foley, Teddy, Libby, etc etc...but the biggie is Georgie himself....he made it possible for the Dems...

I guess we should be a tad appreciative...LOL

[pat_k]

208. The time to introduce articles and make the case is NOW. (revised)

The time has come

Members of Congress have all they need in the public record to make an indefensible case for impeachment.

Bush and Cheney are committing war crimes in plain sight. They are conducing a criminal domestic surveillance program. They are shredding the principle of consent -- the SOLE moral principle, on which the Constitution was founded -- with their public declarations of "unitary" power.

Our own Supreme Court -- stacked by the fascists -- found that Bush and Cheney had committed three years of war crimes.

Everything they need is in the public record. Unlike the Watergate select committee, presentation, not investigation, must be the goal of the bushcheney impeachment hearings.

There are other "plain sight crimes" but you just need ONE to impeach. Members of the House could introduce and vote out a set of articles every week until the Senate finally convicts.

On Jan 4th, they could just expand Feingold's Censure motion into articles of impeachment against Bush and Cheney for their criminal surveillance program and their subversive/treasonous claim to "unitary power."

Introduce Articles; Hold Impeachment hearings; Make the case; Send it up to the Senate. If they don't convict, rinse and repeat with the next set of articles.

For example, keep the BIG Guns -- the War Crimes Bush and Cheney are committing in plain sight -- for the "2nd round."

If they know what will come next, the Senate might convict on the first set just to avoid having to deal with the War Crimes (and the fact that they themselves became War Criminals when they failed to do anything to stop the War Crimes.)

Accusing/impeaching forces the choice: Defend the indefensible or impeach/convict

We cannot know how many will find it impossible to "stand with Bush" and defend the indefensible -- particularly when doing so makes them vulnerable to prosecution for War Crimes.

The ONLY way to find out is to impeach and see what they do.

From http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/12

Republicans may not be willing to defend the indefensible for long.

When Bush nullified McCain's anti-torture amendment (which passed with over 90 votes) he slapped them in the face. They would be hard pressed to defend Bush for abusing signing statements nullify the overwhelming will of the people in order to keep torture "on the table." Warner, Graham, McCain, and Collins (may have been others I'm not recalling) came out against the "War Criminals Protection Act." The "compromise" they got was not much of one, it just shifted the responsibility for actually approving torture to Bush (as opposed to approving it themselves and becoming War Criminals). Specter dismissed the WH defense of the criminal surveillance program as absurd. There are some other "rational" Republicans (Snowe, Hagel, and Lugar).

Repubs will certainly try the "Un-Patriotic to attack the President in War time" bit (the only "attack" on impeachment we have heard out of them) but that doesn't go far if Repubs aren't willing to defend against the indefensible charges (which they aren't even doing now).

Bush and Cheney are an albatross that many Republicans would be happy to get rid of.. .

.

No Escape from Duty

The public -- elected bodies, good gov orgs, and countless citizens -- have leveled charges and are demanding impeachment.

Our Constitution is a victim of crime. We have reported those crimes. When a victim accuses, willfully turning a blind eye is NOT an option for law enforcement (sworn to protect the public), and it is not an option for Congress (sworn to defend the Constitution).

They can publicly dismiss the charges if they believe they are baseless (something that NO Member of the House, Republican or Democratic, has done).

If they cannot dismiss the charges, then the charges have merit -- i.e., they see a REAL threat to the Constitution. To fulfill their oath to defend, Members of the House must act; they must introduce articles; make the case; and call on their colleagues to impeach.

It is NOT their place to pass final judgment. That is for the Senate.

Their oath is an individual oath. The choice an individual choice. Even they find themselves standing alone, they are duty-bound to act.

The SOLE duty of the House is to accuse. Predictions of outcome in the Senate (which cannot be known by any human anyway) cannot trump their sworn duty.

Every day that continue their dereliction they are complicit with the criminal administration.

We take oaths to do tough things for a reason -- so that we JUST DO IT when the time comes.

[opihimoimoi]

210. Believe me, I see your side of things and want this to happen...

Our Peeps are the ones to do it.

McKinney fired a last round when she intro'd impeachment bill before she stepped aside...what our peeps do with this is unknown.

Lets hope they do the right thing...

[ButterflyBlood]

212. Please give me some of those rose colored glasses

Don't get too ahead of yourselves or you're just going to majorly disappointed.

After all they've gotten away with so far, nothing is going to force this admin to resign. But the bright side is the new Congress will prevent any further damage and this will no doubt go down as one of the worst administrations in history. But if I had a dime for every 'THIS IS THE END OF BUSH' thread I've seen on DU, I'd be typing this on a much faster computer now, among other things.

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216. Well, you do have to admit things are not going peachy for him these last few weeks/months...

Cheney. Rove, Condi, Karen, Paul, even Tony, all have the Silence of the Lambs syndrome....

Bush is looking wimpy and confused....

It don't look good for the dude...