Cheney 'looking forward' to gay daughter's baby

[sabra]

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2006/12/cheney-looking-forward-to-gay.html

Cheney 'looking forward' to gay daughter's baby

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Vice President Dick Cheney is happy his openly-gay daughter is expecting a baby, his spokeswoman told CNN Wednesday.

"The vice president and Mrs. Cheney are looking forward with eager anticipation to the arrival of their sixth granddaughter," spokeswoman Lee Ann McBride said.

[Sanity Claws]

1. Is this a miracluous conception like Mary's?

Isn't that what they have to tell their fundamentalist base?

[cspanlovr]

3. Its a miracle! Modern science had nothing to do with it!

[DearAbby]

5. It seems to be....

they dont much care about the Fundy base. They are constantly slapping them with something.

Gay reporters in the WH Press Corps.
Gay reporters having sleepovers.

President of the Evangelicals, turns out to be a tweaker & Gay.

Cheney's openly gay daughter...is well, openly gay!
Cheney's openly gay daughter is now going to be a mommy, and the baby will have two mommies.

Wait! I hear something....teeny little popping sounds? Yes! it's freeper heads exploding.

[Botany]

2. I hope nothing but good things for that child.

Him/her has never hurt anybody so an ill will I have
for dick and his evil family is not transfered to the baby.

[torrentprime]

4. The discussion is already in another thread

But if you want to watch some beautiful manuevering, check out the Freeper thread on this. They don't know which ideological instinct to follow: GOP = good or gay = bad. lol

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1749133/posts

[twilight_sailing]

10. Freepers crack me up.

"I see no dignity in artifical insemination resulting in pregnancy supported by some anonymous seman donar at the clinic. I certainly see no class in that. Decency? Toward what? Lesbians raising children? How do you later in the child's life explain to them that they were artificially conceived by some anonymous donor?

7 posted on 12/05/2006 11:25:19 PM PST by takenoprisoner "


One must wonder what kind of conception is OK with takenoprisoner. I don't think I have ever known anything about the conception of anyone I have ever known. Does it make any difference?

For all we know takenoprisoner was born of a moonshine fueled tangle in the back seat of a rusted out '72 Dodge Dart. Who cares?

It's the content of his character that matters. Not where he comes from.

His inability to use a spell checker of any type is a bit suspect, however. Maybe he was the result of a family reunion.

[Ian David]

12. Where takenoprisoner comes from, you always know which cousin got you pregnant. n/t

[twilight_sailing]

15. Pardon me, more from the FR brain trust

"We're not discussing economics. We're talking about rational people like Ms. Cheney who are not capable of having a family because of her sexual and relationship choice. She took a baby from a potential mom and dad. bottomline."

She took a shot of sperm from someone somewhere and that act is taking "a baby from a potential mom and dad"? What sort of tortured logic is that? Let's all sing, "Every Sperm is Scared".
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"But I find it fascinating that many (not all) anti-gay-parent folks here on FR are willing to give Mary Cheney a pass simply because she's the daughter of a favored Republican."

A voice of reason on FR? OK, which of you guys is posting on FR now?
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Now they are talking about Britany Spears and Fed-Ex. Sigh...
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"Mary Cheney's baby will indeed have a grandfather who is involved in his grandchild's life."

There were several such posts. Obviously, Freepers don't realize that Darth Cheney is old as the hills and has a bad heart.
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OK, that's all I can take. But honestly, those folks are funny.

[Oeditpus Rex]

18. '...a grandfather who is involved in his grandchild's life'

Does eating it count as "involved"?

[superconnected]

26. rolf

:rofl:

[AlwaysQuestion]

36. Ohgawd, that IS funny!! eom

[CatholicEdHead]

34. Brrrrr, this is coldhearted

Even though the next poster reprimanded him.

To: JedForbes; streetpreacher; Howlin; dr luba; billbears; steve-b; snugs

I'm frustrated with "conservatives" defending anything that pertains to homos. It is not defensible. If one of my kids turned gay, I would not change my position on gays at all. If my child was gay, I would not attend a church that allowed my gay child to be a member. But I would not refuse to have my child over to my house for a visit. Having his or her "partner" over is a whole different story. When my kids are about 12 or 13 years old, they already know this is my position.

454 posted on 12/06/2006 12:40:52 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Rudy 08...If ya can't beat em, join em.)
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[LiberalFighter]

33. I wonder if they consider it okay for artificial insemination

for a married man/woman?

[Strathos]

24. Those people are scary as hell

I guess I'm just naive but it's hard to believe there are those kinds of people in the world.

[Yavin4]

45. Wooosh! My Head Is Spinning From All of the Double Talk on That Thread

I feel like I was on a roller coaster.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

48. GAY BLACK HELICOPTERS! (Or is that PINK?)

"BS.... This is all part of the homosexual agenda. The homos know she gets a pass from all of us, just out of respect for her parents. That is the only reason I 'bite' my tongue... just out of respect for dad and mom.

The homos figured, dad will be gone out of the picture in two years... so this is the perfect moment to 'push for the queer family.' Sorry, but I am not stupid... I know how these perverts think.

Remember the 'agreement,' you keep your sh-- private, and I have no problem with that. You make it public... to advance an agenda... well, you will meet the disapproval of those who oppose that lifestyle.

I got to tell you something, the homos are VERY ORGANIZED... If you don't know that by now... then they may be right to think we are a bunch of idiots :)"

Wow... in short... everybody and everything I don't like is part of the One Huge Conspiracy Of Ultimate Evil.

[Frank Cannon]

14. Like Luke or Leia Skywalker, the baby can't help its parentage

Maybe, like Luke or Leia, it will break the chain of horror demonstrated by its disgusting family and will actually be good and helpful to humanity.

[superconnected]

28. yeah since it's an anon doner, maybe it has a liberal father

and the personality of the child will naturally swing towards dem.

Then again, since it has half the blood of a nazi werewolf, it might not be okay...

[superconnected]

27. Same with me, so I hope the kid can get away from her...

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

6. I hope the kid doesn't grow up to be an evil fascist fuck like his gramps. n/t

[superconnected]

29. and his mom. uh look up her quotes.

She supports the dick on everything except gay marriage.

[truthisfreedom]

7. a baby born out of wedlock with two gay parents. cheney is ridiculously hypocritical.

all of bushco is.

[slackmaster]

20. I hate to be picky, but what specifically has Cheney said in the past

That makes him hypocritical in this situation?

(Ground rule: For purposes of this discussion, "I am a member of the Republican Party" doesn't count. I mean Dick Cheney himself, not those with whom he has chosen to associate.)

[Kingshakabobo]

30. Associate? WTF?

WTF are you talking about? You act as though he merely attended a few barbecues and a round of golf with Melman, Rove and the rest of the gay-baiting bigots that crafted the republican platform and/or election strategy(s).

Give me a break.

[slackmaster]

39. So, I take it you can't give a direct answer to my question

Thanks for the reply.

[theHandpuppet]

35. Well...

Cheney said he believes the question of same-sex marriage is best handled by the states. Look at how well that has worked out in Virginia, which Mary happens to call home. Of course, being a Cheney and rich as shit, she won't have to worry about the kinds of nightmarish problems this has created for the rest of us -- like me and my partner losing our joint health benefits and all legal rights courtesy of Virginia's new laws. So why not claim he believes this is a matter for the states? It won't effect him or his family. They're above the law.

[AlwaysQuestion]

38. Most unfair!!!!

I am so sorry to hear that. but you're absolutely right, Lady Mary will not suffer as a result of the putrid law. It would be interesting to know if she and/or her partner were active in opposing the law. I guess that would be a tad much to expect. Anyway, as others have stated, people on the far right are such hypocrites. You want to throttle them. I've often wondered how backward the state of VA is--and now I know.

[slackmaster]

40. Why is that hypocritical?

Mr. Cheney owns machine guns, and has said gun laws are best left up to the states.

Does that make him a hypocrite as well?

[theHandpuppet]

41. It does when you know the laws don't apply to you

Just us "little" people.

[slackmaster]

42. You're dancing around the question

Granted that laws generally don't apply to the rich and powerful, where has Dick Cheney ever said that he thought it was wrong for homosexual couples to marry?

[theHandpuppet]

43. Not really

Let's draw a comparison to another "states rights" issue of our history. One cannot claim to be an abolitionist on one hand and then claim that the matter of slavery is one best left up to the states, knowing that the majority of states already supporting slavery would never vote for its eradication. That's what can truly be defined as "dancing around the issue" and one fully exploited by politicians of the day. Lincoln (finally) understood that in matters of the basic human rights of citizens, "states rights" cannot be an arbiter in the argument.

Let me refer you to an article which poses some interesting thoughts on the issue:

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2004/08/how-different-is-cheney-from-bush-on.html

(Excerpt)
Clearly, Bush has stated his opposition to gay marriage, as has Kerry for that matter. But did Cheney say he was for gay marriage? No. He said he was for leaving the definition of marriage to the states. Now, obviously, in the last part of his statement, he's holding back from saying everything he thinks, but at that point, the issue is whether there should be a constitutional amendment. Cheney refers to the concern that the actions of judges in one state will take away the ability of the individual states to continue in their traditional role of defining marriage for themselves. In that context, there is a debate about whether a constitutional amendment is needed to preserve the states' traditional role. Cheney notes the existence of the Defense of Marriage Act, and the suggestion here is, I think, that that may be enough. I think there is also a suggestion here that the amending the Constitution is a bad idea, and the point where Cheney really seems to bite his tongue is "I don't think -- well, so far it hasn't had the votes to pass." He knows (and I'm sure Bush knows) that the amendment is never going to be adopted. So what really is the difference between Bush and Cheney on this issue? The difference is over the willingness to use support for the (dead on arrival) amendment for political purposes.

We could speculate forever about what Bush and Cheney (and Kerry) really think about gay rights. But on the surface, both Bush and Cheney rely on the same leave-it-to-the-states approach that Kerry embraces. It is worth noting that Kerry was one of 14 Senators who voted against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, but even then he expressed his opposition to the Act (in part) as "a power grab into states' rights of monumental proportions."

[slackmaster]

44. Not being an active abolitionist is not the same as supporting slavery

I take issue with your entire logical construct. You're essentially saying "If you aren't for us, you are against us." That's a false dilemma. People can and often do take neutral positions about things they really don't care much about.

One cannot claim to be an abolitionist on one hand and then claim that the matter of slavery is one best left up to the states, knowing that the majority of states already supporting slavery would never vote for its eradication.

Bad comparison. We don't have insight into Mr. Cheney's thought processes - How can you be sure he "knows" the majority of states would never vote to sanction gay marriage?

[theHandpuppet]

46. No, it's just being a politically expedient hypocrite

You wrote:
"I take issue with your entire logical construct. You're essentially saying "If you aren't for us, you are against us." That's a false dilemma."
Not really. If you claim to be an abolitionist, you have already defined yourself on the issue. Being an abolitionist is not a neutral -- or passive -- position.

"People can and often do take neutral positions about things they really don't care much about."
In general, that may be quite true. But in this case, I would think that the issue of gay marriage is one of particular interest to the Cheney family.

Bad comparison. We don't have insight into Mr. Cheney's thought processes - How can you be sure he "knows" the majority of states would never vote to sanction gay marriage?

You really ARE joking, aren't you. (I guess you are perhaps unaware of the number of states which have just recently passed laws outlawing not only gay marriage, but any legal contracts between gay persons?) I guess in the same way most abolitionists figured that simply leaving the matter to one of "states rights" slavery would never be eradicated, at least within the lifetimes of those of the era. You want to tell gay folks that it's okay, maybe in an hundred years or so there may be enough states sanctioning gay marriage to constitute a majority? That's very convenient for those who can afford to live above the law, but not for those of us now living with the consequences of those laws.

[slackmaster]

47. I'm still not following your logic

...But in this case, I would think that the issue of gay marriage is one of particular interest to the Cheney family.

Why?

Saying you would think something is not the same as presenting evidence that, for example, Cheney thinks it's fundamentally wrong to have a child out of wedlock. Maybe he believes that, maybe he has said so publicly, but you haven't shown anything to back it up.

...You want to tell gay folks that it's okay, maybe in an hundred years or so there may be enough states sanctioning gay marriage to constitute a majority?...

No, I've never said anything of the kind but neither has Dick Cheney. All you have done here, theHandpuppet, is toss out a bunch of unfounded inferences about what you think Dick Cheney's position on something (Having a child out of wedlock, gay marriage, being a homosexual; which is it?) ought to be, based on how you think he should be reacting to an event he has no real control over, i.e. his daughter's decision to have a child. All he has said about that is that he's looking forward to it.

All that said, I think Dick Cheney may be ambivalent about the whole thing. But he hasn't said much about it.

...That's very convenient for those who can afford to live above the law, but not for those of us now living with the consequences of those laws.

I don't think it's reasonable for everyone to pick up the banner for every issue just because there is an injustice that affects you.

[theHandpuppet]

49. It's the sound of someone hitting the keyboard!

I wrote:
...But in this case, I would think that the issue of gay marriage is one of particular interest to the Cheney family.

And you responded:
Why?

If I have to answer that for you, then you're arguing just to watch yourself type and aren't really interested in an honest debate.

Then you quoted this passage from my post:
...You want to tell gay folks that it's okay, maybe in an hundred years or so there may be enough states sanctioning gay marriage to constitute a majority?...

And responded thusly:
No, I've never said anything of the kind but neither has Dick Cheney.

Some positions are more honestly expressed as a political strategy. That's the part you either don't understand or is one with which you disagree.

All you have done here, theHandpuppet, is toss out a bunch of unfounded inferences about what you think Dick Cheney's position on something (Having a child out of wedlock, gay marriage, being a homosexual; which is it?) ought to be, based on how you think he should be reacting to an event he has no real control over, i.e. his daughter's decision to have a child. All he has said about that is that he's looking forward to it.

You're the one ever-expanding the parameters of this argument. You asked why Dick Cheney might be considered a hypocrite for not supporting gay marriage. I answered you. Whether or not my answers satisfied you is no longer of interest to me, as I don't believe an honest discourse holds any interest for you.

All that said, I think Dick Cheney may be ambivalent about the whole thing. But he hasn't said much about it.

What a bizarre rebuttal. And I thought this subthread was about the issue of gay marriage and hypocrisy, not about how Dick Cheney feels about his daughter having a baby. If you want to have THAT argument, please feel free to start another thread or subthread about that particular subject.

Have a nice day!

:hi:

[rodeodance]

8. i would like to see him ' look forward' from a jail cell.

[last1standing]

9. There's only one thing that all repubs agree on.

Anything is acceptable, if you have enough money. If you're gay then you're unnatual, unless you're mary cheney. If you do drugs you're a criminal, unless you're nicole bush. If you have an abortion you're a murderer, unless you can afford to fly to Europe to have it done.

Even the nut job fundies agree. Just go over to freeperville and read all the excuses they offer up to take the heat off of cheney.

[Ian David]

11. You mean his bastard granddaughter born out of wedlock to his selfish hedonist daughter?

:sarcasm:

[truthisfreedom]

17. Hey now, she's almost sounding "librul."

Treading in dangerous waters, there!

[jannyk]

13. I wonder who 'spawned'' it? nt

[Little Wing]

16. Fuck you, Dick

[pink-o]

19. So how many frozen embryos...

...that were implanted in Mary Cheney's womb ended up being flushed down the toilet? Aren't the freepers freaking out about that????


Anyway, I resolve to reserve judgement. I've seen super-liberal kids that come from reactionary families (I have a lockstep-love-Bush father. I bet some of you do, too.)

So if there's any justice, little Cheney baby is about 16 years away from joining DU, right?

[Nikia]

21. If it was just artificial insemmination, no embryos need to be discarded

As I understand it, the sperm joins the egg inside the body.

[mitchum]

22. Maybe it can visit him in prison

[TheWatcher]

23. He's probably looking forward to eating it.

With some Fava Beans and a nice Chianti.

[olddad56]

25. Just don't let Grandpa take him hunting.

[oasis]

31. Waited until after the election to announce. How nice. (eom)

[deadparrot]

32. Stay in there, kid.

You're in for some scary shit when you come out. :scared:

[mondo joe]

37. I hope the baby is a biter.