The U.S. is 'fomenting' the civil war in Iraq by arming and training Iraqis to kill each other

[bigtree]

December 7, 2006


America is the Author of the Civil War in Iraq


Beginning with the U.S. invasion and overthrow of Saddam, and continuing with the joint U.S./Iraqi military campaign against the Iraqi resistors to their junta, Bush has fostered, funded, and orchestrated the Iraqi killing of other Iraqis. It doesn't matter why he says he did it. That's the policy, that's the effect.

"As the Iraqi forces grow more capable, they are increasingly taking the lead in the fight against the terrorists," the president told the audience at the U.S. Naval Academy in 2005. "Our goal is to train enough Iraqi forces so they can carry the fight against the terrorists," he said. However, 'terrorists' amount for only about 2% of the violence in Iraq. The rest of the violence is part and parcel of the power struggle Bush set up with his overthrow of Saddam.

Our soldiers are directed to fight and die on one side of a multi-factional struggle for power in Iraq, and to crush the resistance to the government Bush set up under his occupation with the Iraqi army we trained and equipped; training and arming them to fight and die suppressing other Iraqis. Hundreds of thousands were killed with Bush's deliberate assistance.

The Iraq Study Group and others pushing for more time to arm and train more Iraqis will only succeed in giving Bush more rope to continue his occupation unabated. At the end of whatever period they set up to judge the "success" of their proxy war, Bush will still insist at that point that there's a job unfinished that we can't walk away from because it would solidify the Iraq mission as a failure - something he and the ISG won't admit has already occurred.

Former Senator Charles S. Robb of Virginia (D), advocated in the ISG for a “short-term redeployment or surge of American combat forces to stabilize Baghdad, or to speed up the training and equipping mission, if the U.S. commander in Iraq determines that such steps would be effective.”

That's the one proposal that most observers feel Bush will readily accept; the 'fivefold' increase in U.S. trainers embedded with the Iraqi troops. It's his only lifeline to continue his military muckraking there.

Bush, and the rest of the cabal who want "another chance" to train more Iraqis to kill other Iraqis, want to continue and escalate the civil war as they attempt to prop up the collapsed Maliki regime. Bush is 'fomenting' civil war in Iraq. We shouldn't help him. If we give the Maliki regime more time, and more of our soldiers and resources to hold up their side of the struggle for power there, it will only result in more Iraqis killed with no effect at all on any of the lofty expectations of 'stability' or 'security' for either their country or our own.


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[lonestarnot]

1. Bushitler hasn't changed, he's the woe president still, wants woe, death

destruction and the Armageddon legacy. He has created such a mess, we'll never get out of it.

[bigtree]

4. he'll have to be indicted, or at least pressured by direct investigations

of Cheney or himself.

[lonestarnot]

11. And we'll still be in this freak'n mess.

But, at least he will have to pay!

[bigtree]

13. there's so much arrogance among these legislators

it would be nice to put public fear back into their public lives.

[NNN0LHI]

2. That is why Bush can't leave. The truth will come out if he does

Then off to The Hague for him and his minions.

Don

[bigtree]

5. it's why he doesn't want to leave, perhaps

but, if he's to be convicted for his crimes, it'll have to come from Americans.

[izzie]

3. Was a joke that the Brits had a empire with 7 army men

They had Indians rule Indians etc. But I get your point. You know even the Germans could not understand how the Brits rules over most of the world with out a real land army. They came down to it was there navy that ruled the world and of course we see what happened when they, the Germans, made up mind to out do the Brits navy. I do think we are just giving arms to men that will kill us right now. Before one needs to help Iraq I think Iraq has to get a hold of how it is going to run it self and we can not do it from DC.

[bigtree]

7. Iraqis fighting Bush's fake terror war against each other.

with our troops out of the way they just might realize they've been duped into fighting each other by their 'leaders' and stop.

[izzie]

12. You know we won the battle of the Iraq Army in the field

It is all that comes after we can not win. In the long run most of the Empires that took over countries lost also. People want to do it them self and not have a 'mother' county rule them. It is almost as if we are fighting the way things were in 1800's trying to do these countries as we strip the goods from them. We hardly knew the Bush aim when we went in and we seem to be just as far off now. Could it have really been to change all their laws? Brenner did that and people can not even go out of their homes unless they are up with the Kurd section. I just can not find any reason in this thing at all. No one seems to be for the same thing.

[bigtree]

14. for Bush it was mostly a way to elevate himself after 9-11

when he stood atop the pile of rubble and humanity and spoke down to the rest of the world Bush realized how much he liked his elevated position. It's all he has. It gives his presidency meaning, at least in his own mind. The rest of the leeches who profit from the sacrifices of our soldiers and others were more than happy to hold Bush up there above us all as they snatch up all they can while urging him forward. The will of the Iraqis is meaningless to this bunch. They feel that THEY own Iraq, not the Iraqis. They feed off of the chaos, and escalate it when the game seems to be winding down.

I think Bush thought he'd be creating an entirely new state where folks were so happy to have their own country that they'd drop the labels and the religious divisiveness and set up some sort of secular regime compliant to U.S. interests. But, in his zeal to move forward with the 'elections' Bush allowed the Shiites to mobilize and dominate the electoral process. The resulting Iran/Hezbollah friendly leadership and membership of the parliament which emerged has created this dynamic of a government under siege from their Sunni opposition, as well as a parliament membership which is at odds with their U.S. benefactors. Thus, no reconciliation is possible as long as the U.S. continues to insist on leaving its military in place to prop up the unpopular, crumbling Maliki regime.

There is definitely a power struggle going on in Iraq, but, the U.S. is an unnecessary obstacle and antagonist in the way of the different factions coming together.

[izzie]

15. I do not think Bush understands people at all.

It is like he is from Mars.

[bigtree]

16. and the rest of us are from the real world

exactly!

[seemslikeadream]

6. Just like what's been happening all over the world

especially Africa

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[bigtree]

9. Will Pitt had and article on the arms trade yesterday

those 'stolen' U.S. weapons in Iraq . . . coupled with the ones we gave them, will keep these folks killing each other until they tire.

[butterfly77]

8. Seems as though they are teaching them how...

to fight us...

[bigtree]

10. that's the way it works

remember the pictures of bin-Laden with a U.S. Stinger missile launcher we sent to Saudi Arabia?

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. Maybe if the US and Russia stopped making all these weapons

and started making solar panels instead we wouldn't all have to kill each other?

The Repugs are the 'right to life' party after all.

[leftofthedial]

18. US out now

we are training the shia (primarily) militia (aka Iraqi police and military)

we are training death squads

we are training torturers

we are a major part of the problem and no part of any solution


the only moral thing to do is leave

[BeFree]

19. Always seemed...

as if bushco was jealous of saddam. As if they were all playing a game of king of the hill. Who's king of the hill right now?

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Given that we invaded, once the mission was accomplished, by all means the pentagon should have taken a back seat and peacemakers should have been the next invasion force.

So, remember when the UN office was destroyed and it's peacemaker was killed and the UN then withdrew? Was that planned failure or just a plain failure?

Then Bremer came in and stole everything not nailed down. Vast arms caches went missing. All of the previous government offices were trashed except for the Ministry of Oil.

Miserable failure or planned failure? Hard to tell. But that is the hard question which the elites must answer and they didn't even come close in the ISG papers.