Has The Fucking Democratic Party Gone Out Of Its Fucking Mind

[ThomWV]

Who on this god damned earth is that fucking idiot who is giving the Democratic Response?

Has this whole god damned party gone out of its collative mind?

Its like Mr. God Damned Rodgers at the very moment we need Fire and Brimstone!

[Warpy]

1. No, they just put conservatives in charge

and thought we wouldn't notice.

[deutsey]

2. Makes me glad I wasn't able to watch

Who was the Dem, anyone know?

[annabanana]

6. still on Kaine, new Gov of Va

he's ....."nice"

[Wheezy]

10. Tim Kaine, Gov of Virginia. n/t

[skooooo]

3. Fire and Brimstone..

..turn off a lot of people. I think it's going to take all kinds of approaches to attract people to the party.

[BeHereNow]

4. No, they are not out of their minds- they are getting filthy rich

the same as their republican colleagues.
They are owned by the same corporations
that own the entire country.
Now hush up and take your place in the
bread line citizen.
BHN

[deutsey]

11. I like the puppet on the right...no, the puppet on the left is more to my

liking.

Hey, wait, there's one guy holding the strings to both puppets!

(Bill Hicks, from memory, so I can't guarantee it's verbatim).

[BeHereNow]

25. Amen. That is EXACTLY what people have not figured out yet.

"Oh the dems are this!
The Dem are that!"

The dems are owned by the very same people
who own the repubs.
And we now expect WHAT to happen?

BHN

[TInCanCommunications]

35. Bingo!

Never understand the people who blame Nader for standing up to the political machine.

[mdmc]

42. Welcome to DU!

peace!

[TInCanCommunications]

45. Thanks!

Peace on your houses!

[never_get_over_it]

56. Do you think an Al Gore Presidency would have been as bad

let's just list the big stuff

Do you think Al Gore might have taken the pre 9/11 warnings seriously - maybe stopping the attack
Do you think Al Gore would have started a pre-emptive strike against Iraq murdering god only knows how many innocent Iraqis and almost 3,000 American soldiers and wounding horribly 10s of thousands more and pissing away half a trillion tax payer dollars
Do you think Al Gore would have played golf or strummed a guitar while people died in NOLA
Do you think Al Gore would conduct warrantless wiretapping on American citizens
Do you think the national debt would have increased by almost 2 trillion $ and the deficit at oh who knows what it is now let's say 400 billion under a Gore administration

Oh I could go on and on but you get the point

So this is why some of us blame Nader....

I know there are problems with both Dems and repunks - but there is no doubt in my mind that this would be a very different place if Nader hadn't gotten 96,000 votes in FL.

[TInCanCommunications]

61. Not as bad

But come on.
Clinton bombed Iraq.
Clinton's sanctions killed thousands.
Clinton pushed the war against Milosovich and befriended KLA "freedom fighters" who were trained in Al Qaeda camps.
Clinton fucked over the working class with NAFTA and told the working class, fuck you.
Clinton threw welfare recipients into the streets.

Clinton was beholden to corporate interests.

Different corporations, perhaps, but still.

[European Socialist]

5. They already got your vote--they need the Nascar vote.

[The Straight Story]

13. Then they should have used a nascar driver :) (nt)

[javadu]

40. NASCAR Fans Don't Vote for Pussies n/t

.

[napi21]

46. Ahhh, WRONG. They voted for Shrub, didn't they? n/t

[javadu]

48. Why do you think it was important for him to

land on an aircraft carrier and show off his package? This was to impress the NASCAR fans.

[More Than A Feeling]

7. Think of Gore's speech as the SOTU response

[captain beyond]

51. YES

I was thinking of that also.

[upi402]

8. ZACTLY!

preach on brother
(or sister)

[spooked]

9. They drank the kool-aid

it's almost like they're brainwashed

[Coexist]

12. I was hoping this would be a great speech - Russ Feingold

Wes Clark - FOR CRYING OUT LOUD THIS GUY SUCKS.

[Zen Democrat]

14. Hey, we loved this guy when he beat Kilgore!

Democrats are trying to show new faces, that's all. The Democratic response is aimed toward independents, not us'ens.

[Coexist]

16. I know, I was very excited to watch him

...then I got to watch him.

The speech is good - but the smile and the eyebrow are way too distracting.

I guess anything after the lion roared yesterday would be a let down.

[Jeanette in FL]

15. NFS

un-fucking-believable.

[Sacajawea]

17. This is disgraceful. Combination of Mr. Rogers and the Church Lady.

[oasis]

22. lol. I think they were going for a Lindsay Graham effect.(eom)

[masshole]

18. wrong time to trot the new kid out

Who makes the choice on who gives the response?

[dweller]

32. he got the short straw. . . n/t

dp

[sandnsea]

19. He was okay

He isn't talking to you, he's talking to the people who still believe Bush is good and we're all one big American family.

[Cocoa]

20. if you don't know him

how do you know he's an idiot?

[ReverendDeuce]

21. I agree 100% -- I turned him off... absurd response...

This guy is fucking terrible! Absolutely terrible! He reminds me of something from TBN...

[cyberpj]

23. Agreed. Where's Kennedy? Hillary? ANYONE the public knows!

[marions ghost]

24. a very shrewd move

Tim Kaine is able to say some tough things in a folksy style. To match Chimpy's folksy style. Smart strategy, for once.

[FSogol]

26. I agree. He did a good job. n/t

[renate]

37. I'll second that

I bet that for a HUGE number of Americans, this is the one time every year they listen to any kind of sustained back-and-forth political debate. Anybody who prefers Bush's party to the Democrats because they think he's a calm, cool, collected leader (and for better or worse, there are still people like that out there) wouldn't have a basis for being turned off by the Democratic response.

[jim3775]

27. Did you actually listen to what he was saying?

What would you have liked to hear him say; "BUSH IS AN EVIL NAZI!!!! FUCKING LYING ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!" etc. etc. ?

[SaveElmer]

28. Kaine was very good...

Hit all the right notes, and in contrast to the adolescent in the White House, looks and speaks like an adult!!!

[SayitAintSo]

33. There was strategery in that thar speech.... listen to him.....Look at him

Isn't he a Southern democratic governor ? Anyone see a message there ? :)

[SaveElmer]

34. Warner and Kaine...

Have lighted a path to victory in red states...we ignore it at our peril!!!

[messiah]

29. I agree

people changed the channel as soon as he finished his first two sentences boring.

[Blue_Tires]

30. another thread with the speech in full

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2427858

[Joe the Revelator]

31. Kaine Did A Great Job....

You're not going to win votes with Hillary to Ted.

[Jon8503]

43. Wolsh you are 100% correct. I was worried about him as well but

he delivered and I think the speech will be very effective. He is getting some praise all over the board.

I think his tone was a relief and I like "There is a better way". They will have to follow-up on that but I think if they get organized, they can do it.

Kaine did good.

[jonnyblitz]

36. it's been taken over by right wingers.

very sad.

[Individualist]

38. DLC right wingers, to be exact

[upi402]

39. Guaranteed; Americans did NOT connect with that response.

tepid at best
PRAY?
SERVICE?

ugh
somebody pass the CheeseWhiz and cotton candy!

[mdmc]

41. I thought that he did rather well...

I wish that he mentioned hemp as a fuel source.

[foreigncorrespondent]

44. Nope!

Just got infiltrated by DLC idiots.

[applegrove]

47. The more I hear about Kaine, the more I think he terrifies Repukes.

[Quixote1818]

49. I think Kaine did a great job. nt

[GalleryGod]

50. Josh wants you all to know, that Joey Lucas told him.....

Nobody watches the Democratic response.

[never_get_over_it]

57. So how many WW cast members pictures do you have? eom

[fooj]

52. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Peace.

[Serenades]

53. It was good

The speech was great but his delivery wasn't so great. If people listened, he made some very damning points against the Bush Administration. He cleared up many misrepresentations and half truths told by Bush in the SOTU. No one is going to listen to fire and brimstone unless you are preaching to the choir. If I come up to you and hell you that you're going to hell, your response would be a negative one. The content of the speech was excellent. It reached out to a broad range of Americans and not just those on the far left.

[RememberWellstone]

54. Dean should have responded imo.

He was already in the spin room kicking monkeyboys ass...he should have done the response. He was on a roll.

[chefgirl]

58. Exactly what I've been saying

In a couple of threads now, I've said the same thing.

Why didnt Howard Dean give the Democratic response??

Sorry to all you DUers who held out such hope for this Tim Kaine guy. I knew nothing about him before tonight, other than he won in VA.

I certainly have an opinion of him now. Weak, smarmy, cheesy, insincere, and he made my skin crawl.

When are the Dems going to get some balls and call the republicans what they are??

-chef-

[upi402]

60. Dean, Obama, Conyers, Kucinich, Edwards, Clark -so much talent

[tritsofme]

55. Nobody watches the opposition response anyways.

I don't think its that important.

[chookie]

59. Please don't disrespect Misterrogers

I knew Fred Rogers. He was a tiger compared to today's Democratic leaders. He would never have stood for this bulllshit without speaking up.

Democrats are too afraid that someone might not like them.