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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:23 PM
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Brownback calls for more family values
That is the title of this wire story, but as you read it, most of it has nothing to do with this "family values" concept.

You gotta wonder how much is about just planting association (empty phrases with certain candidates) in an attempt to avoid any actual substantive discussion about anything.

Here is the article: (right in the second paragraph it starts talking about Iraq instead)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061207/ap_on_go_co/republicans2008

WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Sam Brownback on Thursday called for a return to an American culture that promotes family values — a theme meant to set the conservatives' favorite son apart in a growing GOP field.


The Kansas senator, in an interview with The Associated Press, also urged the United States to push more aggressively for
Iraq to achieve "political equilibrium" even if it means partitioning the country along ethnic and religious lines.

"I'm saying, and I hope the Iraqi leadership is hearing it: We will not face the American public in 2008 with a situation that looks anything similar to where we are today ... American deployment of troops on the front line conducting the military operations," Brownback said.

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:27 PM
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1. What's he going to do? "We will not face the American public in 2008 with a
situation that looks anything similar to where we are today." Is he going to 'fix' Iraq by himself? Is he going to talk * into changing course?
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:29 PM
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2. I hope someday to NEVER hear the phrase
"family values" again. It has been used up, is meaningless , as are so many other phrases. Has not a shred of meaning. God , I loathe the phrase.Politicians just mouth all of the empty phrases--so predictable.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:35 PM
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6. pounding the same drum again
Dems have to hit back with "it about valuing families"

how does tax breaks for the wealthy and give-ways to corporations and special interest legislation promote families? How does these 'specility' policies and legislation VALUE THE FAMILY?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:34 PM
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15. I have always considered the phrase "family values" to be
a deliberate slap in the face to us single folks.

Like only families have values, and because I am not part of a traditional family with kids and spouse, I lack values.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:29 PM
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3. ok we get it, you're running, you have no chance of winning and you need to
get that, got it?
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:29 PM
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12. actually, I think he has a good chance
unless you're talking about winning a general election. That's a serious uphill battle. Almost any of our candidates could beat Brownback.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:39 PM
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16. i mean general, i should have been clear about that, what i think will
undo him though in the primaries is the ability to raise the huge cash, i think most of the money will go to Guiliani, Romney and Mccain. I think this gop primary will be the ugliest and meanest ever. I have to tell you i'm really looking forward to them tearing each other apart.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 08:20 PM
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17. I depends on if they can rally the nut-cases one last time
none of the other top candidates are a logical place for the religious nut vote to go. Oh yeah, the GOP primary is going to be ugly.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 08:27 PM
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18. well Brownback is certainly the nut case candidate of choice, he's got that
crazy ass voting block all sewn up.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:29 PM
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4. The Right's notions of family values are all form and no heart
They fear change and progress because they do not believe society can survive or adapt to new ways. Thus they abandon the very core of what family and values are about and instead cling to an empty husk.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 05:30 PM
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5. He wants to send your job to China and your kids to Iraq and
starve your mom and dad and cut off their meds and social security! That's his GOP family values.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:04 PM
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7. "Family values" = picking on gay people & women who have sex.
:eyes:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:27 PM
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11. I wonder what he thinks of Ms Cheney...
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:06 PM
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8. Ah, like raisng the minimum wage and healthcare for all families?
Those type of family values? Or does he mean the type of family values that don't cost any money but instead deny many families recognition in the eyes of the law?

As if I need to ask...
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:07 PM
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9. No thanks, Senator Brownnose - we've already had 25 years of "family values"
And then some, and we're just about sick of the bullshit you've made them stand for.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:26 PM
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10. I agree with family values
but to me, a ban on abortion and gay bashing does not amount to family values. I feel sorry for people who think this is all there is to family values. Actually I don't - I loathe them.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:30 PM
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13. Isn't there a sunflower field he can get lost in?
say...forever?
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 06:30 PM
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14. If his family values include discrimination against gays and giving the gov't to rich people, then..
he can take his version of "family values" and shove it.
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