Seriously: What is the Difference Between GW Bush & Hillary as to Iraq?

[David Zephyr]

Is there a difference?

What is it?

Can anyone provide the distinction for me?

[Demeter]

1. Hillary Obfuscates Better

and she might have been smart enough not to go there in the first place.

[goforit]

2. No difference... both criminals of war!

[Redstone]

3. OK, then, let's attack another Democrat! Is your problem that she's a woman,

or is there something else on your mind?

Redstone

[David Zephyr]

4. This is a serious thread with a serious question posed.

Perhaps you can provide the distinction between Hillary's plan for Iraq and that of the President. I'll be glad to read whatever you provide.

[sam sarrha]

5. it is pretty off the wall to compare anyone to * he's mentally ill, that is really uncalled for,

you go on decaf tomorrow..

Really ..some anger management is appropriate here.

[Captain Hilts]

6. She thinks it's a total screw up but is worried about creating more instability...

with sudden changes in policy.

Bush thinks it's "winnable" and that progress is being made.

So, there's a Big Difference.

[David Zephyr]

7. That's her worry. What's her plan?

I'm hoping someone can provide her plan for Iraq. I've read nothing that distinguishes her position from that of the Administration.

Hillary has attacked Congressman John Murtha so we know she doesn't like his plan.

But what is hers?

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Has She Said This?

Has she ever said that going to war was a screw up?

[MannyGoldstein]

14. (Guess Not) nm

[Botany]

8. Whatever

[Imagevision]

10. Bush has oil connections, Hil doesn't - Bush started the war, Hil, voted for it...

[BuyingThyme]

11. They both say whatever the neo-cons tell them to say.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Wow a Hillary thread! Its been at least 5 minutes since the last one. nt.

[MrPrax]

13. Dems...must...stop...war

So goes the last recorded message of another 911-era victim, as the democrats size up an empty 2 year stint debating whether the President or Congress is a lame duck.

Or whether America can handle 'strong leadership' in a time of war or a woman/non-white to fulfill some fuzzy warm feeling.

Hillary agrees with George...there are issues that go beyond present debate and we'll all have to make sacrifices.

Partisans to the Passion Play of western ideals usually line up behind shades of 'sacrifices'.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

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[Imagevision]

16. Yeah but get real! - Bush is absolute moron just attempting to carry on a communication

Babs Bush should have slapped him up side of his silly head as soon as she noticed him talking like garbage! speaking about 11 US. troops killed yesterday this jerk/george manages to grin & smile?? it's fucking stupid!

[David Zephyr]

17. The fact that Bush is a moron has nothing to do with the question of this thread.

What is Hillary's plan for the situation in Iraq?

I'd hope that one of her supporters could provide an answer to the serious question.

Other Democrats have put out bold and detailed proposals such as John Murtha. She attacked him for doing so. John Kerry, Wes Clark, Joe Biden, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean, and many more have publicly addressed the issue and, not just criticizing Bush on the peripherals of the war, but submitting their solutions.

Since Hillary supported the invasion of Iraq, it would be helpful to hear what her plan is regarding the situation in Iraq.

Maybe she has a plan, but I've just missed it.

I'm hopeful someone can provide it to us here.

After all, Iraq is, could we say, a very big issue with the American people.

[Jcrowley]

18. Who said the following

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret "the way the president used the authority."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/

“Now that we’re , we have no choice. We own this issue. There is no doubt that we’re going to be there for years,” and “Whether you agreed or not that we should be in Iraq, failure is not an option.”

“I do not believe that we should allow this to be an open-ended commitment without limits or end. Nor do I believe that we can or should pull out of Iraq immediately . . . We must set reasonable goals to finish what we started and successfully turn over Iraqi security to Iraqis.”

"Every nation has to either be with us, or against us.  Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."  
 
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...  
 
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."  

"I reject a rigid timetable that the terrorists can exploit, and I reject an open timetable that has no ending attached to it."

"No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."

[David Zephyr]

19. Thanks for the helpful link to Hillary's statements. I hope all can read them.

But, I'm still searching for her proposals for "a way forward" in Iraq.

I've googled myself silly, but the most I can find is that she essentially has stood by President Bush from the beginning of the invasion and throughout it as well.

Her limited statement on Iraq seems closest to Joseph Lieberman's. But I can't find anywhere where she has offered her own proposal in Iraq.

It seems to me that Bush's lead in Iraq has been the one Hillary has supported.

She has criticized the "management" of the war, but that's it, as far as I can see.

She supported the invasion, still thinks it was the right thing to do, but thinks it could have been managed better, although even there, she is very vague.