Americans Are Buying the ISG BULL! The Truth: IRAQ IS NOT A MISTAKE OR ACCIDENT

[berni_mccoy]

We must put out a stop to the message that IRAQ WAS A MISTAKE or a 'disaster' that happened. They even use the term disaster. It was nothing of the sort. THE IRAQ WAR WAS A CRIME!!!

The Bush Administration FALSIFIED INTELLIGENCE to take us to war.

Until this FACT IS RECOGNIZED, nothing will change or improve.

Until JUSTICE is DEALT, nothing will change or improve.

And if you actually read the Iraq 'Study' Group Report, they SUGGEST NO CHANGE IN BUSH'S POLICY!

The report says all of the following:
- No withdrawal (page 37)
- No significant increase in troop levels (page 38)
- No timetables (page 67)

So basically, it criticizes existing policy while proposing exactly the same policy. Sounds like a complete whitewash PR campaign to me.

By making it look like Bush's CRIME is actually a terrible mistake and failed policy they give him a get out of jail free card while the same time recommending his very same policy as the "New Way Forward."

It's complete and utter bullshit.

[leftofthedial]

1. The ISG is stay the course

repackaged


but in tone, it is poppy and his buddies slapping junior's wrist

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

3. Yep, where are the democrats on this? I've only heard Feingold and Moran speak up.

[izzie]

12. I think we tend to not look at the whole picture.

We seem to enter it where we wish. It is like the build up to WW1 and WW2. We look at one thing and for get the whole picture of what really was going on. Personality with power also count and their make-up. Iraq would not have happened unless Bush was sure he had a lot of power and people behind him.

[MADem]

2. Well, disasters can also be crimes. And crimes can also be mistakes.

They're not mutually exclusive! The guy who gets caught killing a few tellers while robbing the bank and has his life ruined has found himself in the midst of a disaster, a huge mistake, and a crime.

Rather than try to attack the ISG as a whole, the better tack might be to shape the public perception by BUILDING on what is already there, noting variances in opinion in a proactive fashion, and pointing out that more and more Americans want something that may not be called a timetable, but they want it to result in troops getting the hell out of there.

A "Yes, and furthermore" approach to the public perception of the report will probably go over better with the average person on the street than just angrily dismissing the entire thing as bullshit. Like it or not, and fair or not, the ISG has filled a huge void in the leadership arena, seeing as the lame ducks are doing nothing, the Monkey is frozen, and the Dems can't overreach until they get the gavels. Crapping on them wholesale just won't go over well, even if it is merited.

[lvx35]

7. I agree with the heart of your point.

That idiocy and crime are not mutually exclusive and shouldn't be treated as such. In many cases, such as drunk drivers, idiots meaning no harm are deadly. Nevertheless, the drunk driver pays the consequences for his actions, and we need to make sure Bush does too.

What I am saying from the strategic viewpoint is that we can embrace your "yes and furthermore" accepting idiocy and mistakes while pushing for the punitive actions, the two are one. :|

[flyarm]

4. i could not agree more!!!..100% correct! its bullshit!!

how many names will be on the next wall for these lies??

and not for one moment do i give credit to the thugs on this committee!! every single person on this committee was pro war!..pro this illegal war!!

i want our kids home yesterday..enough of the killing and murders in my name!!

and if someone wants to call me an extremist ..as was inferred because of how i feel about this on another post so be it..

i want our troops home before we have another wall in washington with the names of needless deaths!

home now!!

stop this damn war !!

fly

[QuestionAll...]

11. I am so sick of being sick...

I am so sick of being trolled

It'll all end up in tears,

[bluestateguy]

5. Bipartisan commissions never produce anything meaningful

What you do get are a bunch of rich, washed up old Washington windbags who like to listen to themselves talk, and who like to wonk policy, and who like to prove from time to time that yes, they are still relevant.

Then the report gets stuck on a shelf somewhere never to be seen or heard from again.

[Hissyspit]

6. Thin line between cooperation and mediocrity. Between compromise and corruption.

[calimary]

8. No, it isn't. But I did figure out what it IS. A nicely-bound book of fig

leaves.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3006712

[Phrogman]

9. Things are going completely to plan

Now the petro-mafia boys have the US military at their bidding for the long term. They'll use the "Iraq" excuse to keep the troops in that part of the world indefinitely.

[formercia]

23. The longer the 'boys' can keep this War going

the longer they will have to loot the World.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

10. Maybe if the ISG had used more capital letters...

...people would have believed them.

[leftchick]

13. I must direct you to this thread

It is truly excellent in pinning down how and why the neocons got us in this fucking mess and YES, they wanted all of this to happen........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3004364

Kudos to Vyan!! :applause:

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. I think we will first have to follow a process to prove it was a crime.

i.e impeachment.

[malaise]

15. You have stated the

essential truth. It's a fugging war crime.

[Gregorian]

16. Thanks. This is what makes DU such a great place.

It's this kind of discourse that SHOULD be going on all over America. Not just with 100,000 people on DU.

I very much appreciate this.

[Beam Me Up]

17. Yep, a CRIME predicated upon an earlier CRIME

called 9/11. No one wants to talk about it. No one wants to investigate the hundreds of anomalies. EVERYONE, including most Democrats, are still in denial. But the fact is the CRIME of 9/11 was never investigated -- except by the 9/11 truth movement, who have shown conclusively the official story can not possibly be true -- and what official "investigation" there was is just as much a white-wash and cover-up as is THIS "Report."

If you want to stop the war in Iraq, you have to be willing to expose the CRIME upon which it was predicated.

[thingfisher]

27. Excellent point!

There are plenty of crimes to go around. America has become expert at denial however. Gotta protect our fragile psyche from to much bad news.Leader of the free world an' all that ya know.

[EstimatedProphet]

18. And now you see the point of the ISG report

I am in absolute agreement. The entire war in Iraq, day by day, was on purpose. This administration went in knowing there were now WMDs. they knew Iraq was never a threat to the US, or anyone else. They wanted to take all the oil, and everything else was immaterial.

[Junkdrawer]

19. The ISG is Big Oil's "Stick it to W" Trojan Horse...

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-juhasz8dec08,0,4717508.story?coll=la-opinion-center

At this point, I could sell the Brooklyn Bridge if I could get Dubya, Cheney and Limbaugh to oppose it.

[elehhhhna]

20. ISG is stalling for time. That's the point. Where's the PLAN, GEORGE?

[AnnInLa]

21. The main fault of the ISG and other study-groups

is that they give false hope. "If" you just follow these 79 recommendations, or "if" you do this and that, or "if" you just change your direction/course/policy, this or that will happen.

The public needs to realize (or maybe it does) that Iraq is LOST. The grand experiment FAILED.

Everything now should address how to best leave Iraq as soon as possilbe.

[pat_k]

22. The War Crimes and criminal surviellence program are indefensible attacks committed in plain sight.

. . .They terrorized us into war. We know that. But "proving" what was in their minds is a rat hole we don't need to go down to make a clear, compelling, and complete, case for impeachment.

Bush and Cheney are committing war crimes plain sight.

They are conducting a criminal surveillance operation.

They are trashing the principle of consent -- the SOLE moral principle on which our Constitution is founded -- with their claim to "unitary" power.

These charges make a clear, compelling, and complete, case for impeachment. Every day that Members of the House fail to introduce the known charges and make the case http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3007934&mesg_id=3008149">they are derelict in their sworn duty.

Ultimately, the criminal war of aggression may be better dealt with at the Hague.

[jazzjunkysue]

24. Right. A slap on the wrist, so we can keep doing it. Every Bully

knows the drill: First, the teachers asks the class to behave. Then she warns the class of the consequences. Then she starts warning individuals. Then she reprimands individuals. And that's the year. It's September? Rinse and repeat.

Every Bully gets their wrist slapped, but it never really stops them. That's the price every bully knows he/she has to pay.

[novalib]

25. The War in IRAQ Is CRIMINAL!!!!

The War in Iraq is CRIMINAL!!

It is, ipso facto, A WAR CRIME!!

Each DEATH that the THUG in the WHITE HOUSE has brought about over there is a WAR CRIME!!!!

Eacn DEATH that the THUG in the WHITE HOUSE has brought about over there is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!

Until we recognize THOSE FACTS (along with the fact that the THUG in the WHITE HOUSE LIED to get us into War) there will be NO JUSTICE and NO PEACE!!!!!!

[mike_c]

26. Americans bought the bullshit the first time around...

...and now the sheep are bleating for more. I am not surprised. The ISG is Poppy's "rescue the oil" squad-- any recommendation it made would take a permanant U.S. presence in Iraq as axiomatic.