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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:01 AM
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The irony in Mel Gibson's Apocalypto
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 09:02 AM by The Backlash Cometh
There's a rather interesting write-up in the Wash. Post, and after reading it, I couldn't help thinking that Mel Gibson certainly loves to root for the underdog who fights back with a vengeance. He plays them in movies, and he even reinterprets the Bible in his Jesus movie in a way that mocks what Jesus stood for, which, for those who have forgotten, is about forgiveness, not vengeance.

Anyway, someone needs to tap the chappie on the shoulder and tell him that he's no underdog, no one is repressing him nor exploiting him. The man owns his own friggin island, for God's sake. And the irony? The irony is that the closest thing we have to Mel Gibson's blood-thirsty Mayans in his Apocalypto movie are the Republicans and their pre-emptive strike foreign policy. Mel Gibson's movie is a movie about bad judgment by bad people who run their government and how it pisses off the people repressed by them. That's my take.

'Apocalypto': Driven by A Hunter's Gut Instincts

The scene and time demand some explication. It's Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula in vaguely pre-Columbian times, in that seemingly endless epoch when the mighty Mayan city-states ruled supreme and took their pleasures from the land and surrounding peoples with no thought to consequence or brotherhood. They were rulers; everyone else was naked prey.

Our hero is no city Maya, however. He is one Jaguar Paw (brilliant, supple, expressive Rudy Youngblood), of an indigenous forest people. Certainly Gibson over-romanticizes this hunter-gatherer lifestyle. In a Potemkin village of surpassing beauty, these happy children of innocence cavort like so many Rima the Bird Girls, chattering in Yucatek (which subtitles translate into a kind of hardy peasant English, bringing to mind Frodo and his mates), joking healthily about sex, living in perfect monogamy in warm little family units under the watchful eye of the benevolent patriarch Flint Sky. Under it, I could see folk memories of Middle Earth or even, for God's sake, Winnetka.

Gibson makes decisions to tell certain forgotten truths. The opening sequence depicts a team bringing down a tapir: The movie gets not merely the necessity of the hunt, and the agony of the beast, but the exhilaration. And when these rangy guys begin the alchemy of butchery by which a corpse becomes meat, Gibson forces you (PETA people, not you ) to feel what they feel: My name will be sung at the tribal fires tonight, my children will go to bed with full bellies, and I will probably get laid.

But this is all about to end. One morning -- the portents have been over-dramatic -- the Mayans arrive in force. And why, you wonder, would the Forest People not even have heard of them and made no preparations, as they are about two days' march from a Mayan urban center? The only answer is that it suits the political agenda of the picture, which is to subvert notions about the "innocence" of native peoples and the "guilt" of usurpers from the outside. In other words, in Gibson's worldview, the Mayans are to the Forest People exactly as, sometime later, the Spaniards would be to the Mayans. It's all a question of empire prerogative



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/07/AR2006120701947.html
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Hoosier Dem Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:08 AM
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1. I think Mel needs therapy, myself...
After "The Passion" and now "Apocalypto", I'm starting to think that Mel secretly wishes he could just make a snuff film for mass distribution. Two movies in a row based on torture is just disturbing in my opinion.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:10 AM
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3. I diagnose him as having a strong persecution complex.
I think most of us have it, but I think his case weakens because he keeps repeating the theme, and on a world view, he doesn't fit anybody's profile of victim.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:10 AM
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2. Empire perogative
Indeed. From today's entry, Odyssey of the 8th Fire

http://www.8thfire.net/Day_169.html

Coronado, de Tovar, de Soto, and all the other conquerers of the Americas acted under the express authority of Alexander VI, the Pope. Alexander was part of the infamous Borgia family, and inarguably among the most controversial of Popes owing to his sex orgies, murders, and financial malfeasance.

Immediately after Columbus reported his "discovery" of the new world in 1492, Pope Alexander VI in Rome issued in 1493 a document entitled Papal Bull Inter Caetera,


========

Coronado’s aide then read to the people a requerimiento -- a formal declaration of superiority and sovereignty, and a set of demands. The requerimiento asserted that the Popes -- who claimed to be successors of the god Jesus Christ through his apostle Peter -- and the Popes' allied kings, held authority as rulers over the entire Earth.

Though they were unitelligible to the natives because they were read in Latin, the formal demands essentially said: If you do not surrender completely now and bow down and worship our god, we will subject you to the yoke and obedience of the church and the king. We will take your wives and children, and we will make them slaves…We will take your property…We declare that the deaths and injuries that occur as a result of this would be your fault, not ours…”

(snip)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:12 AM
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4. I suppose the Mayans were just foreshadow to the Christian
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 09:13 AM by The Backlash Cometh
empowered Conquerors.

How can you not see the irony in that?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:05 AM
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7. Irony? Only if you assume Gibson has an accurate take on the Mayans
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 10:05 AM by SpiralHawk
and that he is rendering an accurate depiction in his film.

I do not make that assumption. I know too many Mayans, and know too much about their traditions to swallow Gibson's view.

Did the Mayans have their evil-doing republicon power-torture freaks? Yes. Every culture has its republicons.

Was that the core, or the basic thrust of the Mayan culture of antiquity? No. It could not have been, or so much beauty would not have survived to the present day.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:35 AM
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9. I think "inaccuracy" IS the point.
The people that persecute him in his dreams, and which he continually tries to recreate on the silver screen, are best depicted today by the Republicans.

I think the article made a good point of stating that his movie did poorly to depict the Mayan culture, and in fact, it was the Aztecs who were far more involved with human sacrifice.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:31 AM
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5. Violence turns him on; torture makes him hot
He just wants to share that with the world.

:hug:
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:02 AM
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6. Well, I definitely will not watch this movie now
knowing that it shows the killing and butchering of an animal.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:35 AM
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8. See, we White Europeans have nothing to be ashamed of...
They slaughtered and enslaved each other before we did !

Thats Gibsons point!... More denial, forever denial...
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:37 AM
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10. We'll make great progress in improving our human rights abuses,
when we accept the fact that no one is above abusing power.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:56 AM
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15. First ... America must accept its human rights abuses...However
First Americans need to learn about the "abuses".... Currently most Americans don't know jack!!

Such as the

Philipines
Haiti
Cuba
practically all countries in Central and South America
Middle East


You can't improve until you KNOW THE TRUTH!!!... and the US has been very successful in hiding them.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:43 AM
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11. I am confused by the following...
" He plays them in movies, and he even reinterprets the Bible in his Jesus movie in a way that mocks what Jesus stood for, which, for those who have forgotten, is about forgiveness, not vengeance."

Could you explain more, please? I did not see a vengeful "Jesus" in the film at all.

Most films use a "hero" vrs "anti-hero" plot line. This is not in any way distinct to Gibson's films. The underdog, if you will, fighting the (often powerful) "evil" foe. This storytelling guideline is as old as mankind. I don't think it means that those who tell the stories are necessarily viewing "themselves" as anything like the characters they depict. They are telling a story using a tried and true outline. It is tried and true because in reality, like you mentioned, it is a reoccurring theme.

Seriously, can we possibly be reading too much into Mel's every move? As someone who is pacifist until, and only if, a harmed innocent needs my defense, i see a lot that i appreciate in Mel's films. He does not glorify violence, he shows that it is harmful and distasteful. There is such a value placed on simple living, peace loving and family, that there is a powerful emotional reaction when these things are interrupted. As there should be. Does this mean i view myself as an underdog with a hero complex? Nope, it just means i like a story that shows that the oppressed does not have to stay oppressed. I really liked V for Vendetta for similar reasons. Fictional story with a different time and setting, same "hero" vrs. anti-hero" storytelling.


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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:50 AM
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12. Think of the parting scenes of the movie.
It wasn't forgiveness depicted on Jesus's mind.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:58 PM
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17. I just watched them again.
Jesus asked forgiveness with his dying breaths in the film. Still not quite sure what it is you mean. But different people see different things. We can just chalk this up to interpretation.

Thank you for the response though. :hi:
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:59 AM
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13. I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds like...
...he's presenting the story as a metaphor, more so than a historical fact. Which is what storytellers with a message do, btw, and think what you will of Mel Gibson personally, it sounds like his message is an important one: the rape of nature and the severing of our ancestral connection with the natural world, the subjugation by that which calls itself "civilization," but in fact is far more savage than nature red in tooth and claw. Historically the Mayas did practice human sacrifice, so basically what Gibson did was take the historical facts and dramatized them to emphasize his point. And from what I read, it sounds like the point should be well-taken in this day and age.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:27 AM
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14. Yes, I know, I know.
I don't question that he's getting a point across, as you state it. The IRONY is that it's a self-inflicted wound because if it's a metaphor that can be applied to today's circumstances, the Republicans would be the Mayans in the story.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:54 PM
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16. Somebody tell Mel that Alberto Gonzalez has a job for him that he'd really like
He'd have to supply his own black leather hood and cat 'o nine tails though.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 01:34 PM
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18. I think getting disemboweled did something to his head.
I guess it would shake up anyone.
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