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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:25 PM
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I don't care whether George W. is impeached or not.
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 12:27 PM by Plaid Adder
What matters is that he gets removed from office. Because clearly, he's not fit for it.

Seriously, if W. were on the bridge of the old Starship Enterprise, McCoy would have already relieved him from command and confined him to sickbay. As it is, W. is still running around doing his act the way he's always done it, and all that's changing is that the group of people who are intensely alarmed and frightened by it is getting larger and larger and larger. We're now discovering that even W's daddy and his daddy's friends are so appalled by the monster they have created that they are trying to rein him in. But what they are discovering is what we knew already: that it is impossible to get W. to change his mind about anything. That boy is on a permanent world-wide lunatic spree that nobody on God's earth can rein in.

He's not going to change. It doesn't matter what anyone tells him; it doesn't matter whether it's coming from his father or Jon Stewart or me. He doesn't listen, he doesn't care. He is either unable or unwilling to grasp the fact that he has irreparably harmed his country and the world, that he has made a mess too big for anyone to clean up, and that the only decision he now controls is whether we will withdraw our troops according to our own timetable or whether they will be forced to retreat according to a timetable drawn up by the people who are shooting at them. Looking at him even for ten seconds on video tells you the story. There is nothing going on behind those eyes. That face is a mask. Even his body seems to have congealed into a permanent and grotesque slump. Bush is a constant now. There is no change coming to us from that quarter.

It will not help that recent events will only confirm the paranoia that has clearly been part of the White House atmosphere for years. Because, let's face it: everyone is out to get him. Specifically, everyone is out to get him the hell away from the levers of power, because they've seen what happens when he's allowed to play with them unsupervised. So look for Bush to become ever more intransigent as the chorus of disapproval and dismay gets louder and louder around him.

Well, I can't say I feel too much sympathy for W's daddy and his daddy's friends on the ISG. From the Bush family's point of view, dynastic rule seemed like a great idea. It was the neocons who decided it would be keen to make the presidency so powerful that no matter what kind of idiotic policy decisions were proceeding from the White House, nobody on Capitol Hill would have the power to kill them. It was Rove who engineered an environment in which it appeared to be political suicide for other politicians--Republican or Democrat--to publicly oppose the President. They made their boy king. Now, all of a sudden, they're worried about how he's ruling. Be nice to hear, if it wasn't too fucking late.

Obviously there will be no "new direction" in Iraq until W. is no longer Commander in Chief. It will not be long before even his daddy has figured that out. But even after W. goes--whether in 2008, or in 2007--the fact remains that when it comes to Iraq, it is too late. It is important not to do more damage than we have to, and to get out as quickly as possible. But the really bad damage has already been done. We have destroyed Iraq, enabled the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, lost thousands of our own troops, and started a sectarian civil war which will still be burning up the Middle East 50 years from now. These things cannot be changed, by the Iraq Study Group or by anyone else.

He has to go. I think more people who are putatively on "his side" are starting to realize this. They are also starting to realize it is going to be difficult to dislodge him. But frankly, I can't see the Republican party putting up with him for another two years. And though I have no proof of this, I feel pretty strongly that back in the smoke-filled rooms of the GOP strongholds, plans are afoot to get him out of there. The question is, will they be able to pull it off. It's possible that sooner or later W. will get miserable enough to resign, though at the moment it doesn't look likely. Otherwise, I guess it would have to be impeachment. Although I don't know. How crazy does a president have to be before he gets put on enforced medical leave?

It's scary to look at him now. The fact that he's cornered only makes him more frightening. Because we are faced with the knowledge that he _is_ a minority--someday, he will be a minority of one--but he holds all the cards. The presidency is now stronger than it's ever been, and it's held by the most insane, incompetent, bloodthirsty child that has ever occupied that office. We have long known that this is not good. It's a little scary to watch the rest of the "grown ups" on Bush's side realize this--and to see how ineffectual their first gambit has been.

Well he's your monster, guys. Good luck controlling him. When you decide he needs early retirement, don't be afraid to reach across the aisle. We're not as freaked out by this whole "my God, we're being ruled by an idiot with nearly absolute power" thing as you are. We're used to it.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:30 PM
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1. I truly believe that you give him waaaaaaayyyy too much
credit.

I don't think he was ever running things. I think the cabal (headed up by Dick Cheney) were.

What has been puzzling me is Rummy's resignation. Because I don't for a second think that he wasn't right up there in cahoots with Cheney in this whole mess. Did he bail while the bailing was good? Or did Baker really run his ass off? I still wonder how they got the old bastard out.

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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 02:35 PM
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9. Apparently, Poppy (41) has always disliked Rumsfeld--so when Poppy
and Baker came in, Rummy had to go. Of course, Rummy was half of the * presidency, the other half being Cheney. So Cheney's there alone, with Poppy and Baker, and TPTB prodding him along. Shrub was never part of the actual decision-making. I wonder how, and if, Shrub will be removed?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 02:53 PM
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12. See, that's my point. Cheney and Rummy were the bush8* 43
administration. They were the real 'Deciders'. And Baker somehow got rid of half of the team. But how? What did he hold over Rummy that was bad? Or did he threaten to throw him to the public? I just cannot picture him meekly bowing out of the picture.

Ah well. Now we gotta get rid of Cheney.

He sure is subdued lately. But I would be willing to be he's most of the reason that they ISG us meeting so much stubborn opposition from Chucklenuts. He's probably following Chucklenuts around nagging and nipping constantly, "you don't have to listen to them. You're the Decider, remember? You're make the decisions. And you don't want them to make it look like you were wrong and that maybe God wasn't really talking to you, that maybe you're nuttier than a fruitcake."
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:04 PM
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15. The installation of Gates in Rummy's place indicates
to me that the bush 41 PTB are still pulling strings.

And I think they ultimately have the power to remove their primary puppet, regardless how much influence Cheney has, but I don't know if they will do it.

But there is also the question as to how Cheney himself fits into this, since he has feet in both camps. . . . . .


TG


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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:24 PM
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17. YES, that's how I see it--Poppy and TPTB still running things but they
had to come out from behind their curtain. As for getting rid of the cowboy puppet, could they use a medical excuse? Shrub won't go quietly; he's got a thing about fighting his father.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 07:58 AM
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26. Maybe Cheney went native on them????
Cheney was 43's SecDef, wasn't he? and I think he may have been designated to find a VP candidate for junior BY 41 to make sure there was a line of succession established. It always seemed odd to me that they would have Cheney, who had age and health going against him in terms of being groomed for the top spot after junior.

I suspect, therefore, that Cheney had his eyes on the top spot from the beginning, and once he saw how easily 43 could be manipulated, he grabbed the chance. Remember, Poppy had that cute, young, devoted Danny Quayle (so opposite to Cheney in so many ways) waiting in the wings, poised to take over after Poppy had his two terms. Foiled by Clinton, of course.

Cheney may have suckered 41 by saying something like "Nobody can take care of your precious boy better than I can, and as for the succession, we'll work something out when the time comes," kind of like hinting at a resignation "for health reasons" or whatever.

Cheney is the architect of the evil, the puppeteer pulling strings on two stages at once. I think he turned on his original masters, and they're afraid (for some unknown reason, possibly related to Carlyle and/or Halliburton) or unable to pull his plug.

TG

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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:37 PM
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2. Just so long as he ends up in a SuperMax
Who cares if he gets impeached first?
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:42 PM
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3. K&R!
Beautifully and concisely put!

Your words bring into sharp focus all the issues surrounding his tenure...

Thank you!

:patriot:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:48 PM
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4. His Psychological Dysfunction Will Compel Him To DIG IN DEEPER
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 12:49 PM by Beetwasher
and become even MORE intransigent.

There are very few options left to the cabal. They have to do something about him or he will destroy their movement for a very, very long time, if he hasn't already. Their best option is one that I feel uncomfortable discussing here, but is certainly not out of the question. Poppy may have been crying because he knows what might happen if Chimpy continues down this path and leaves them no better choice.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 01:06 PM
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5. It's NOT "About Him" -- It's About Us and Our National Soul
We need to stop thinking about him and "his side."

It's about having, and standing on, principle. In fact, it's the only principle on which this once-great nation was founded: that legitimate gov't power can ONLY be derived from the consent of the governed.

Without impeachment the American People remain "on the hook" for the actions of this never-elected, never-legitimate regime. It doesn't really matter that "people know" that the "consent of the governed" was overuled to put and keep him there. We The People must be heard in objection.

The principle MUST be asserted. Even if it takes until Jan. 19, 2009. Even if it's after he slinks back home. Even posthumously (yes, really). If not, we remain the "War Criminal Nation." Even if he's bundled off to The Hague to face the charges.

The American People must be vindicated for that which they were not responsible.

ONLY Impeachment can begin to Redeem Our National Soul.

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 02:41 PM
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10. Well said. Your post alone gets a K & R.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 03:19 PM
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13. Hear, hear, Senator. Bush's precedents must not stand, or some
neofascist or neocommunist president fifty years from now will
say "Bush did it and so can I."



http://www.worldcantwait.org/
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 03:56 PM
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14. I absolutely agree!
Very well said.

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:31 PM
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21. "It's about us and our national soul"
"ONLY Impeachment can begin to Redeem Our National Soul."
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 01:47 PM
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6. This needs to be on the Greatest Page
I've recommended-let's hope others do as well.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 02:03 PM
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7. Impeachment is the weapon. The goal is removal -- whether resignation to escape impeachment or. . .
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 02:04 PM by pat_k
. . .guilty verdict in the Senate achieves the goal.

If the Congressional leadership gets serious about impeachment of Bush and Cheney, they are likely to take the resignation "exit strategy" to keep the WH in Repub hands.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/12
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 02:10 PM
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8. Very well written. As always, a K&R for The Plaid Adder.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 02:51 PM
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11. So beautifully said, I gave it a second read.
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ArmchairMeme Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:09 PM
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16. Plans/no plans
Bush has not changed and does not appear to be likely to change. I agree he is not a capable adult person. He is sick!

I think he will play a stalling game for the next two years but not leave nor admit anything. He appear angry at the last press meeting. His speech which is planned for just before Christmas will be more of the same I am the decider and if other countries don't want to play by my rules they can just go away.

If he moves at all I would be surprised but it appears that he has set up an escape to south america and new ranch in Paraguay a country which does not have extradition treaties with the U.S. So if we hear that he has gone to the ranch it could be there.

He has already said that the war will be the problem for the next president. That's his plan for Iraq.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:26 PM
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18. K&R.nt
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:35 PM
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19. Yup.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:05 PM
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20. k&r
:kick:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:38 PM
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22. Just removing these felons doesn't seem to work because
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 11:39 PM by sfexpat2000
they come back like vampires.

Look at the host of IranContra criminals that are back in government -- including the one confirmed just this week, Gates. Bush couldn't come back but most of his co-conspirators could. And the example of the IranContra crew might show that when they do come back, they are even more practiced in their larceny.

/oops

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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:18 AM
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23. K & R
I agree with most everything in your post. I don't think he's quite as powerful as you say, simply because he has to have people behind his ideas to use his power, and I'm not sure there are all that many left. Cheney may be the only one, and I think Cheney has to go, and will go - health reasons, most likely. I just get this feeling that the "big boys" have taken over now.

I'm not sure who the "big boys" are, I think it's not only poppy, but also, CIA and moderate republicans, who might just want to save their party from total ruin. For that, I think, both bush AND cheney have to go, and I just get this feeling cheney will be first.

If they continue to let the boy king out without his handlers, there will be no way they can continue to hide his obvious illness, insanity, or whatever it is, and even "joe six-pack" will have to notice. His obvious unfitness for office may become clear to everyone, and maybe it WILL be health reasons - and maybe he'll get out just to beat being impeached.

I read that mccain was very vocal in disgreeing with the findings of the ISG - I was thinking they'd install him as VP, but if he continues the way he's going, it won't be him - more troops going IN is not something anyone wants to do (except for mccain), so maybe they've got someone else in mind.

I do agree, he's on his way out. He's fucking nuts, and it's getting harder and harder to hide, but I think cheney will be first.

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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 02:21 AM
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24. Great Post Plaid
I am a little more worried that he is more cornered now like a rabid animal. The unpredictability of this asshat makes me nervous. He has proven time and again that he is willing to do anything diabolical to somehow prove he holds the key.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 07:01 AM
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25. Why can't he just admit, "I'm not a president, but I play one on TV."
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:22 AM
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27. "It's a little scary to watch "
them come to the inevitable realization that he's stone cold insane. I don't think that fact has really sunk in yet. When they find anemic support for their alarms echoed in the media, they will have to face the monster head on.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:26 AM
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28. I care, mainly so his criminal type is discouraged from stealing an election in the future.
Then raping the cofers of our nation.
Then sending our children and parents to die in an illegal war for oil.
Then fucking our Constitution.
Then soiling our Nation in front of the world.
Desecrating the Geneva Conventions.
Pissing on diplomacy.


on and on and on and on...



Impeach, Impeach, Impeach.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:29 AM
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29. k & r
:applause:
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