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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 02:31 PM
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Are they dropping live 2000 pound bombs in Avon Park, Florida yet?
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 02:36 PM by madfloridian
They said they were going to do it. They had hearings on it last year to listen to the communities. I understand that it was more of a way to tell the people what they were going to do rather than ask what they wanted.

From May 2005

Vieques’ demise was Avon Park’s gain.

Starting next year, the Navy wants to drop live ordnance – 500- to 2,000-pound high-explosive bombs – at Avon Park. In recent years, only inert, dummy bombs have been used here. Under the plan, the military could fly up to 10,000 sorties annually over the range, about 40 percent more training missions than in 2000.

The Navy plans to drop up to 1,545 live bombs and nearly 14,000 dummy bombs. In 2000, no live bombs were dropped and 8,400 inert ones were released. Helicopter overflights could increase 40 percent to about 320 per year.

Navy officials hope to get approval by October. The 106,073-acre training facility is a popular training ground for military jets, helicopters, ground troops and special operations forces, said Lt. Col. Franklin Walden. He oversees 85 civilian workers who maintain the facility and monitor the environment.

“It’s a world-class training range that’s realistic for now and the future,” said Walden. “We want it to be a viable range for now and two, five, 20 years from now.”

Some residents worry that increased bombing, especially with real bombs, will harm the region’s sensitive environment and safety.


This was GOP congressman Adam Putnam's greatest pet project. You know who he is...he's the one who complained that the white rednecks who go to church didn't even vote for the GOP this time.

This letter to the editor seems to indicate it is happening. Big bombs with live ammo in Central Florida since Vieques, Puerto Rico didn't want us there anymore.

Dear Mr. Putnam: Come Live for Awhile In Our Environment

Dear Mr. Putnam: Come Live for Awhile In Our Environment
Jul 12, 2006
This has been a time when our congressman, Adam Putnam , has had some of his weaknesses on display for the public to observe. Rep. Putnam has been working hand-in-glove with the worst anti-conservationist in Congress, Rep. Pombo of California, to devise a plan regarding oil drilling in coastal waters. People who know say that it could result in seriously polluted beaches. Rep. Richard Pombo has been called the "errand boy" of the oil industry. Both he and Rep. Putnam have among the lowest congressional ratings by the League of Conservation Voters.

It has been announced that the U.S. Navy is moving its bombing range from Puerto Rico, which didn't want it, to the Avon Park Air Force Range. Rep. Putnam was "instrumental" in urging the Navy to come here and calls it "good news for Central Florida."

At the public hearing in Frostproof on this matter, we urged the Navy representatives present not to use live bombs but to depend on dummy bombs, as the Air Force has used for so many years at the Avon Park location. The Navy declined to do that. This is a quality-of-life issue for those who live close enough to the bombing range to be disturbed by its operations.

We think it would be nice of Rep. Putnam would establish a temporary residence in Avon Park or nearby so he would know what callers mean when they complain about the distressing noise and general disruption caused by a live-bomb range.


This is scary stuff to me, because I think of the Florida peninsula as being a fragile thing.


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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 03:35 PM
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1. I can't imagine why they need to practice with live bombs in any
case. They don't fall any differently than dummies, do they? Unless it is to innure the pilot to seeing the big boom without thinking of what the target is it's hitting -- but wouldn't the pilot be long gone before the boom anyway?
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 03:36 PM
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2. Defence contractors can't charge as much for dummies.
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 03:37 PM by Telly Savalas
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:22 PM
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6. Mrs. Salt!
I love Blue's Clues!

Steve or Joe?

:hi:
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:29 PM
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7. I'm a Steve man myself.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:19 PM
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8. Me, too.
We'll, I'm a Steve woman...

And my boy loves Steve much more than Joe. :)
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:03 PM
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9. Are you aware that Steve has a rock album?
Somewhat psychadelic in the vein of the Flaming Lips. (In fact I think one of the guys from the Flaming Lips helped him out with it.)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 07:53 PM
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11. Yep... I have it.
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 08:01 PM by Clark2008
Got it back when it first came out.

I'm a big fan of the Lips and the kid was missing Steve, so we Googled and I listened and I purchased.


http://www.steveswebpage.com/

P.S. New stuff here: http://www.myspace.com/steveburnsofficialmyspace



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:47 PM
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3. Here are the specifics about the live ammo and flights...
I had been looking for this article by Tom Palmer, and finally found it. This really concerns me. This is from November, and it says the increased bombing and missions would start in the spring...so I guess they have begun.

http://lakelandledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051101/NEWS/511010335/1134

"The increased bombing is scheduled to begin next spring.

The Navy plans to increase flights at this base southeast of Frostproof by 43 percent, from nearly 7,000 to about 10,000.

The fighter-bombers would drop more than 13,000 practice bombs, up from nearly 8,400, and more than 1,500 high explosive bombs. Military aircraft would fire as many as 27 Hellfire missles at targets on the ground and helicopter flights would increase from nearly 1,100 to more than 1,400. The Navy considered six plans, and while the chosen one is not the least disruptive of the alternatives, it is close to it."





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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:58 PM
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4. Adam Putnam... you know who he is.....
yes, I know who he is... another Bush/Harris crony...

http://www.discourse.net/archives/2006/05/photo_kremlinology.html
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:18 PM
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5. That Howdy Doody looking MOFO
I was hoping we had heard the last of him ... guess I'm not that lucky.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:24 PM
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10. He's adored here in our area by Republicans.


A few though are beoming disenchanted.

I detest the man. His offices don't like me.
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