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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:07 PM
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My own personal war against the Arabs.
I lived in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia as a child. My father taught chemical engineering at the College of Petroleum and Minerals to young Arabian men in long white thobes and headresses. I went to elementary school at Dhahran Academy, the American Embassy school where Americans were in short supply -- most kids were British, or Dutch, or one of the twenty other nationalities that outnumbered the American kids. Unlike the Americans locked behind razor-wire in the Aramco compound, where they had movie theaters and actual lawns, we lived in the South Compound, a collection of concrete housing open to the desert. I could drive at any age, because I was male; I used to take my minibike out into the deep desert, on the edge of the Rub' Al Khali itself. My mother and sister were forbidden to drive, ever, but I drove my sleeping father from Dhahran to Riyadh when I was ten years old. It was the Wild Life Of Freedom for a kid.

I and my pack of buddies from the North and South compounds would roam the desert at will, exploring the massive and empty world of 1960's Saudi Arabia. We would climb djebels, catch lizards, explore caves -- when it rained, which it did once a year, it would rain so hard the desert would become a shallow sea for a few hours. We would go out and splash around in it. The entire area would bloom profusely for a week or two after the rain, and then -- back to desert. Sometimes we'd find dead goats and camels, often surrounded by incongruent patches of green grass, growing in the middle of the rocky sand. It was an entrancing place to spend one's childhood.

It was also often dangerous. My friend Marco Porro, a kid from Portugal, got caught by the mullahs in Al-Khobar and had his head shaved with garden shears. They damaged his scalp in the process. His family left the country immediately, and I never saw him again. Similar events marred the otherwise tranquil landscape, but only occasionally. The Dean of the College was an arab, and was hauled off by Saudi police late one night -- his family lived on in the North Compound for years. No one asked about his fate. He, also, was never seen again.

One 120-degree day, I and my desert-rat buddies were playing outside the walls of the North Compound. We were a motley crew -- American, French, Austrian, Taiwanese, Nigerian. We suddenly saw a group of young arab kids about our age, slowly walking toward us. For some reason I now forget, we ended up in a giant Rockfight. For half an hour, we hurled deadly missiles at each other, dodging and leaping from bush to boulder to rise to wadi, trying to do as much damage as a ten-year-old with a sharp-edged rock could do. Blood flowed freely from most of us. I got hit on the head pretty bad; blood ran down the side of my face. At the end of the half-hour, all of us were gasping, bleeding, some crying. The arab kids had it just as bad, we could see. There was a momentary pause in the battle, while we all regrouped.

Suddenly, one of the arab kids stood up and held up his hands in an obvious gesture of truce. We held our fire; I walked out to meet him in the middle of the battlefield. As we approached each other, I could see that he was bleeding as badly as I was. We met in the middle, and just looked at each other for a few minutes, breathing heavily. He reached in his pocket, and pulled out a knife -- and then also pulled out some sort of desert fruit. To this day, I have no idea what it was. He swiftly peeled it, cut off a slice, and handed it to me. It was delicious.

The War ended immediately. All the other kids from both sides wandered out, took a slice of the strange fruit, and tried to communicate with each other somehow. Some of us spoke a rudimentary Arabic, but none of the arab kids spoke English -- we did our best. We spent the rest of the afternoon exploring the desert together, all thoughts of conflict forgotten. I remember my mother's shock at seeing my blood-encrusted face and shirt -- I had completely forgotten about it by then.

We never saw them again, but I've never forgotten the moment, or the look in that boy's eyes as we approached each other, or the swiftness with which the bloody battle was smoothed over.

And that is why I think it's never too late to make peace.

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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:10 PM
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1. Thank you. K & R
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:10 PM
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2. It is never too late.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:11 PM
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3. Great post.
:thumbsup:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:11 PM
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4. Thanks for sharing a great story
and a meaningful one at that.
:toast:

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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:11 PM
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5. Thank you for sharing.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:18 PM
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6. Thank you for sharing your experiences with us.
I enjoyed reading about your childhood in Saudi Arabia.
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StaggerLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:28 PM
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7. Beautiful post

Thank you.

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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:37 PM
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10. Your have the heart and soul of a diplomat!
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 04:37 PM by Bobbieo
There should more people in politics like you. Thank you for sharing.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:32 PM
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8. Wow, great story!
Maybe we should put kids in charge of foreign policy. They would likely do a much better job than the "adults". Thank you so much for taking the time to post this. I enjoyed this a great deal!

Julie
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TangoCharlie Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:48 PM
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11. put kids in charge of foreign policy?
Seen the prez lately? We're there.

Anyway, it was a nice anecdote. Glad to hear nobody got seriously hurt, everyone walks away with both eyes intact.

Regards.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:07 PM
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15. Hi TangoCharlie!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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TangoCharlie Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:44 PM
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17. Thanks newyawker99
Appreciate the welcome and the beer-toast-smiley. I think I have a bottle of irish red beer rattling around in the fridge, I'll have a look ...
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:22 PM
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31. Not mean ones like W, the innocent kind
And welcome to DU! :hi:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:28 PM
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32. Nahhhh.... no kid is as stupid and arrogant and evil as Caligula.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:35 PM
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9. you didn't get a screaming case of diarrhea
later that evening, did you?

I had similar experiences as a kid as part of the "anglo" minority in a mainly hispanic community.

great story. Great lesson. Never give up on peace.
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Prospero99 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 06:00 PM
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67. Eh
Reads like a competent "reflective" essay for Freshman Comp. at say Galveston Jr. College, if that.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:59 PM
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87. Rudeness is frowned apon here
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 12:00 AM by Viva_La_Revolution
be nice, or be gone. Seriously.


That said... Welcome to DU!
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:00 AM
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91. I see...

So Junior College is nothin but crap?? Them's fightin' words.

I have a vocational degree from Houston Community College and it's the only degree I ever got that helped me get a job. It was in a field that is extremely difficult to master, let alone work in. Other students would practically bang their heads in frustration. One out of two hundred people that start this degree end up finishing the school, passing the test to get licensed and work in it. That is one half of one percent.

I graduated with a 3.96 GPA. That's cum laude.



Besides that I have a useless bachelor's and a useless doctorate.

Thanks for the insult, dude. You may stay on your island--literally.



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Prospero99 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:57 PM
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97. Not exactly

In terms of, eh, Praxis, "reflective," first-person essays/journalism based on unconfirmable, subjective events are not really effective political writing. Even masters of the form--say Orwell, or perhaps Joan Didion, or the fiendish but eloquent Hitchens--are not arguing for some particular policy in their reflective writing; they are sort of invoking morality, merely suggesting via belle-lettres--and liberal writers who rely upon, or appeal to, some innate, objective moral code are generally not much superior to rightists or theocrats (whether Xtian, Muslim, or jewish) who do the same. It might be remembered that even Marx (and of course behaviorists) did not really proscribe some "ethical" code per se, but described the exploitative nature of capitalism.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 11:08 AM
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95. Wow, we have an honest to gosh literary critic amongst us unwashed masses.
Welcome to DU. MKJ
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:48 PM
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12. Thanks for this!
Never give up! Peace on earth, Kim
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cain_7777 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:02 PM
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13. Smuggling Bacon from Bahrain
I lived in al-Jubail and have been to your compound to compete in soccer, basketball, and baseball tournaments when I was in school. I too explored the desert and occasionally found a desert rose. We would go to Bahrain once in awhile to get bacon, salami, or any other pork products and bring them back home to Jubail. My compound even purched two whole pigs one Thanksgiving from the Navy. Its funny how things are much more deirable when they are illegal. One year my school had a beach clean up on Earth Day and all we picked up were thousands of alcohol bottles, Vodka, whisky, Tequila, you name it. Sidiki is some nasty stuff and for those of you who know what I'm talking about, check your water bottles and make sure its water. My friends and I also fought the Saudi kids with all the white rocks lining the sidewalks. We never shook hands nor became friends though. I believe by the time I was there in the mid 90's right after the first gulf war tensions were a little high with our military presence. Saudi is one of the most beautiful places on Earth and some of my greatest childhood memories are from that region. Good times, good times! Living in that region has made it so easy to understand the situation we are in right now. I try to explain it to all the freepers in my family but there is no common experience for them to understand. Ironically, my best friend of the last 12 years is arabic from Jeddah.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:06 PM
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14. Why did the rock throwing start?
Did it happen before your two groups attempted voice contact? I'm fascinated that "how the war started" has erased its file in your conscious memory bank. Great story!
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cain_7777 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:16 PM
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16. Just kids being kids
My friends and I would just be walking down the street when a rock would go wizzing by. We would instantly take cover and hurl them back. Usually it was the younger arab kids, 9-14 years old, and travelling in large packs between 8-20 of them, all throwing small rocks that line the sidewalks. It was out of boredom, not hatred. It was actually kind of fun and no one ever got hurt except for a couple of bruises. No one was ever bleeding or crying after our boughts. The teenage kids who were our age never bothered us or us them.
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cool user name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:21 PM
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25. Ahhh, the joys of being a kid ... n/t
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lithiumbomb Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:06 AM
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36. just because i'd bet.
I got in to a few, until I came home with a black eye from a brick... no reason. We used to shoot each other with BB guns too. Perhaps it's some attempt at dominance instinct that affects some adults that have tanks instead of a glob of mud or a rock.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:51 PM
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18. Really cool post.
I've been on-again off-again dating a girl who grew up in Dhahran, in the Aramco compound. The stories are amazing. The place sounds, well, otherworldly - intensely perfect American suburban paradise in the midst of the desert.

Please, write more. I'd love to hear it.
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:40 PM
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19. K&R - inspiring anecdote & beautifully composed
Bravo.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:41 PM
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20. Your story is amazing. It's a real-life parable.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:47 PM
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21. That's a beautiful story...
K&R!
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:04 PM
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22. K&R. Good story, great message, well told. Thanks for sharing this! nt
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majorjohn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:11 PM
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23. What did the fruit look like? n/t
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:47 PM
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26. Knobby green rind, green citrus-like leaves inside. About the size of a lemon. n/t
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cool user name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:17 PM
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24. Fantastic story.
Thanks for sharing.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:11 PM
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27. Great story, thank you for relating it! n/t
PB
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:31 PM
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28. nice. thank-you.
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:31 PM
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29. Your story was very heartfelt.
I liked reading it so much that I didn't want it to end. Thank you for sharing it!
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:35 PM
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30. You should be professionally writing about these experiences
This is fascinating stuff and well described.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:50 PM
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33. This should be aired in MSM - Keith are you listening? nt
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volstork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:16 AM
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34. Great story
Shows how connecting on a personal level can be so powerful
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:42 AM
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35. Lovely anecdote. Thank you.
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:19 AM
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37. This is what I long for the ability to see mans humanity to man but alas it
is nowhere to be seen. I am hungering to believe that this is still possible and hope beyond hope that I will see this in my lifetime. I am a female agnostic hoping to see peace between many disparate groups, we don't have to all agree but we can be respectful of others beliefs however we feel. I am feeling quite sad these days as we acknowledge the mistakes that were made in Iraq and beyond.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:46 AM
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38. People who have never spent time living IN other cultures
are truly handicapped when it comes to understanding the world. And the elite who have lived their whole lives sheltered from reality are insane. Thanks for telling this story. There is a truth here.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:23 AM
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45. That's right, because the aristocrats who run our world--*including* here
in America--have never lived "in" our culture, so they haven't got a clue about us.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 02:05 AM
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39. ABSOLUTELY, THE VERY BEST POST THAT I HAVE EVER READ ON DU!!!
If this is not a quotation from the book you are writing, it should be.
I this story could be the end to the Bush War in Iraq, then I will contribute to Dubya's library.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 04:09 AM
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40. Simply outstanding byronius... K&R
What a pleasure to find this at this late hour. I had no idea how this wold end until the word 'fruit'appeared. Great writing, great point. It's only "too late for peace" for those who have no desire for peace, unless of course you're dealing with Hitler or W.

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 05:26 AM
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41. this ranks among the most beautiful stories on DU
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 07:12 AM
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42. It's almost like that Christmas during WWI
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 07:14 AM
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43. Thank you for this. I really enjoyed it.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 07:18 AM
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44. great story!
you should write a book about your upbringing
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 09:03 AM
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46. Besides being a good story with a great message...
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 09:44 AM by nuxvomica
Your writing style is smooth as glass. Rarely have I read anything so effortlessly. :thumbsup:
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 09:03 AM
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47. A very haunting story...
...and beautifully written, too. You should consider writing a book (if you haven't already.)
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 09:31 AM
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48. I just read this again and bookmarked .
My son (a Writing Arts major) will be coming home for the holidays in a couple weeks and I will share this with him.

This was an incredible story! It reminded me of Khaled Hosseini's book, The Kite Runner. I hope you will consider writing your memoirs -- your story was so poignant.

It's too bad the big kids can't put down their weapons and share a piece of fruit. Your little band of buddies found a solution for peace. Very cool!
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stonecoldsober Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 09:49 AM
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49. You touched my brain and my heart
Thank you!
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:51 AM
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50. Please consider writing a book
about your experiences. Americans need perspective, knowledge and understanding of this part of the world that has such impact on our society. I'm sure those of us here would do our part to help publicize it.

Thanks for the fascinating vignette of your childhood in Saudi.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:56 AM
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51. nothing like a good ole rock fight
those were the days
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evilkumquat Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:18 AM
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52. Were Any of the Arabs Named "Belch"?
Ba dum bum bum!

Evil Kumquat
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:32 AM
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54. LOL
Hey, Rock Man!

;)
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:19 PM
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55. Wow
William Pitt? THE great William Rivers Pitt of PDA, Truthout, and NYTimes, a DUer?
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:54 PM
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58. Will is a long time DUer
I think since day 1 but certainly a mainstay!

Try a search, he posts a lot in the lounge too, the great W R Pitt is a regular guy. A nice one too!
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Prospero99 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 05:44 PM
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66. one word, Mister Pitt:
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 05:46 PM by Prospero99
BOGUS.

(HS Thompson would most likely have agreed with this assessment)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 06:36 PM
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69. ?
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:10 PM
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75. Thanks WRP
I always suspected that DU have the keenest minds anywhere contributing.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:29 AM
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53. Timely. n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:31 PM
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56. Alas, those in power have lost the wonder of childhood. Greed and lust have overtaken it.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:04 PM
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57. Amazing damn tale!
Thank you for this!!!
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 02:16 PM
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59. Maybe we should let the children handle the wars
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 02:35 PM by dogday
they seem to be able to make up a lot faster and get on with being friends.....

On Edit: Incredible story, thanks for sharing.... Great writing as well....
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ocd liberal Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 02:29 PM
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60. That was beautiful
and I would love to hear more.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 02:29 PM
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61. Excellent read and perfectly timed. We can conquer hate
as long as we let the children lead.

Thank you.
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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 02:32 PM
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62. Thank you for sharing
Your story should be given a wider audience. It's stories like these that can convince people that peace is possible-and important. It humanizes the conflict through an easy message. I think too many people forget that the folks we are fighting are important, too.

Progressives remember that those we fight are not all that different than us, but I think the crazy conservatives often forget that we are fighting people rather than the enemy. The kill them all thought process is scary, and your childhood memory is a great way to humanize the conflicts.

Thank you again-and get this published!!!

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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 03:50 PM
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63. Enjoyed this tale very much!
Thank you for sharing it. If only the adults would take a lesson from such.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 04:58 PM
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64. Great story. I work with a man who was an Aramco brat in the
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 04:59 PM by valerief
50s-60s. I'm not sure where he lived, but I'm going to show him your story. He often reminisces about his childhood and how he felt like a fish out of water upon returning to the states. He may know what that fruit may have been.
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Prospero99 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 05:34 PM
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65. Orwell-extra-lite
Narcissistic, self-aggrandizing, juvenile, arrogant: in short, the "essay" represents much of what is wrong with the bourgeois liberal.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 06:19 PM
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68. Dude
What the frack is your problem?

This isn't English 101. The person was sharing a story, not submitting an essay for a grade. It is considered impolite to make these kinds of posts.
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Prospero99 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 06:41 PM
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70. Dewd

Read the essay again, slowly, and tell me if Abbie Hoffman should be posted up next to it (ah sort of doubt that old Trotskyite would approve of any of byronius's writings). Yes, the message is admirable to some degree but the writing is booj-wah, man: strictly commercial.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 06:55 PM
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71. Problem?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 07:50 PM
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 05:23 PM
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101. I don't understand why you responded to me. nt
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 07:24 PM
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72. If only heads of state could resolve conflicts so readily
the world would be a much better place!
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Liberal Lassie Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 07:54 PM
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74. i think you must have had a great childhood. mine was only cool to me after it was over and i
started looking back. i was raised on a farm in the country no neighbors or kids to play with closer than two miles away. i had two brothers and two sisters and i still know how to grow and preserve my own food, butcher, milk cows and sling cow shit. hope i never have to do any of it again. it was hard work and it started when i was 6 years old. it was my job to shovel coal into a monster big coal furnace and keep the fire burning around the clock. eventually i graduated to tractor driving, sunburns from head to toe, dealing with cattle and chickens, gathering eggs, painting the damn barn and a million other things. i think i would have liked a good rock fight but no time to call my own on a farm. i shudder to remember all of that work 2 hours every morning before school and 5 hours after school. i crammed a lot of studying in on the 2 hour school bus ride when i didn't fall asleep reading. such was my crummy life for 18 years and all the kids i went to school with were farmers kids too. we all knew what was expected of us and it stunk!
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Nabia2004 Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:14 PM
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76. Rock fights suck, sure it starts out ok...
but after you get nailed right in the nose its not as much fun.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:29 PM
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77. There's a book in there - I KNOW IT
Take it from a failed writer....

That story there, could be an amazing book...
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 09:32 PM
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79. No writer is ever "failed"!
It's a lifetime thing, being a writer. Like being an artist. You can always write and paint. If the world never "sees" you, you still have the deep fascination and satisfaction of doing it!

I think you need to rethink your self-definition! :)
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Prospero99 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:42 PM
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86. Perhaps
Sort of like Hulk Hogan's memoirs........dee-eep.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 10:31 AM
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94. Wow, man, you must be, like, really smart!
Your 11 posts contain some of the goodest writing I has ever saw. I especially likes the way you put the smack-down on them America-hating peaceniks. Or, just possibly, you are simply one more in a series of pseudo-erudite jackasses who stumble into this forum by mistake. Either way, bye-bye.
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Prospero99 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 11:48 AM
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96. Heh
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 12:06 PM by Prospero99
Hate to break the news to ya, comrade, that ain't some Chomskyan peace-nik writing: dat's.......Hulk Hogan, Inc.--if not a Xtian-- pretending to be a peacenik. But I realize, like, dissent now is forbidden even on "dem" boards--

And 20,000 proxies to go--there ain't no "bye -bye" no mo'........;)
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:55 PM
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78. Thank you very much!
Thank you very much!

And that is why I think it's never too late to make peace.


So true.
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ddbaj Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:14 PM
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80. Nice story.
However, the reason why I think we're fucked is because in your story you stopped before the point of no return. We have gone past it. Imagine if one of those rocks had hit one of your close friends in the head and killed them, would peace have been so easy? Or if you killed one of them in revenge?

Once the cycle of death begins, only drastic change can bring peace, it doesn't just happen.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:31 PM
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81. You've got a point, there. Hope you're wrong. n/t
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majorjohn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:34 PM
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85. Don't agree with you
They were already hurting each other badly; some could interpret that as the point of no return. Yet, it didn't take them that long to decide that enough is enough. Remember, it's never too late to make peace.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:35 PM
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82. Very excellent!
K &R
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:37 PM
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83. My mommy was born there...her daddy worked for Cheveron
in Saudi Arabia.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:41 PM
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84. Wonderful! In post-war Germany...
...my ten-year-old brother had a similar afternoon. A group of American army-brat boys and a group of similarly-aged German boys met in an abandoned orchard that was "neutral" territory between the military base we lived on, and the small town of Zweibrucken (which means "Two Bridges.")

They threw rocks and sticks at each other for a couple of hours, summoning the ghosts of the war just past, and then climbed up in the nearby plum and cherry trees and had a fruit feast. When winter came, they gathered to throw snowballs at each other, and then they packed snow into cardboard boxes to make snow bricks, and made igloos. And then they gathered in those igloos, in international harmony, to have a secret smoke!

Yes, peace is always possible. Thank you for posting this marvelous story! (And yes, there's a book there!)
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:10 AM
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88. My grandpa worked in Dharan
and he said the Bushes were totally corrupt and he would never vote for one.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:18 AM
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89. Goosebumps and tears...Thank you. n/t
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:33 AM
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90. kids and fights
You reminded me of a fight I had with the kid across the street. I was held down by two or three kids and one banged my nose repeatedly. I went home bleeding. As I came in the front door the phone rang. It was the mother of the kid across the street complaining to my mother that I had gotten blood all over her garage floor. That kid had a swimming pool, but he never invited me over. (We lived in the desert of Southern Calif.) I just last Sept. went back for my 40th High School Reunion. The kids sister was there and gave me a big hello, and I learned for the first time their dad was the pilot for the Enola-Gay. (dropped the bomb on Hiroshima) It gave me a very different set of thoughts about the family. I had just known his dad was in the Air Force and seemed to make a lot of money.

Strange about some things, huh?

And I still have hope we can make peace happen. I think arresting and Impeaching the war profiteers and bringing them to justice would be a great start.

Take Care,
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 03:29 AM
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92. A year abroad should be compulsory for EVERY culture. n/t
if we could just recognize the common bond of humanity in each other, then maybe the killing would stop?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 08:41 AM
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93. I am deeply touched by your personal experience story....thank you
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:31 PM
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98. Great Story, Thanks for Posting.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:33 PM
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99. Thank you for your
wonderful story! Reminds me of living on an Army base in Germany in the '60's.

I'm so sorry a certain disruptor decided to waste 13 posts' worth of bandwidth "critiquing" your writing.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:40 PM
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100. This is a great treatment for a novella
you should spin it out. Excellent, glad to give rec #90!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:10 AM
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102. Thank You!
I wish it was not too late for an R, but here is a K.



:kick:
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Max Wyvern Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 03:52 AM
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103. Stupendous story byronius!
Hey all you DU'ers! This guy posts regularly on New Worlds.
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e menshevik Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:15 AM
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104. Rather intriguing....
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 07:15 AM by e menshevik


yet could one quantify the narrative verisimilitude...




"Die Tradition aller toten Geschlechter lastet wie ein Alp auf dem Gehirne der Lebenden..." (Marx)
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:41 PM
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105. It may seem strange to others to hear this
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 04:43 PM by Jose Diablo
but I think if the troops were ordered to pack-up and they jumped on the nearest C130 and just left, in the end we would get more respect than staying and trying to fight a lost cause.

They would at least have to say, we are rational.

It's the politicians that have a need to save face, not the soldiers.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 05:07 PM
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106. Kids usually have the good sense to work things out.
That doesn't hold true, unfortunately, for most "adults."

Bake
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