Several DUer's pointed to the combative Pelosi/McKinney relationship as proof

[CatWoman]

of McKinney's "unstableness", among other things.

It appears Nancy Pelosi has problem working relationships with other congressional Democrats as well.

So, what's the excuse now?

[undeterred]

1. "Problem working relationships"

What exactly do you mean- I haven't heard anything.

[CatWoman]

2. during the primary, especially in GD politics

that was conventional wisdom.

[undeterred]

4. General Discussion: Politics?

Well, that's even scarier than General Discussion here at DU. }(

[TahitiNut]

5. I've rarely seen any wisdom

... at conventions. :P


:loveya:

[sam sarrha]

3. me either.. the only "Problem" is with people who think women shouldn't have opinions and especially...

voice those opinions in public

[xchrom]

6. i like mckinney and i like pelosi.

my problem is i have clear idea in which direction i want the dem party to go -- and that's who i support.

bernie sanders -- right on.

lieberman -- tapeworm.

mckinney great.

harman -- tapeworm.

just my 2 cents.

[SoCalDem]

14. I also like both..

They have different agendas. mcKinney's a bomb-thrower and pelosi is a cat-herder.

Cynthia will probably be back..It might serve her to move to an area that would be more supportive of her style of politics, so the repubes cannot sabotage her again. (you KNOW they will). She's young, and she'll run again.

Pelosi has to straddle fences or she'll be the last female speaker for a long time. The good-ole-boy network (even on her side) probably are not all that eager for her to succeed.

[onenote]

7. there doesn't seem to be much evidence that Pelosi has problems working with Congressional Dems.

She was elected Minority Leader by a huge margin in 2002 after serving as Minority Whip, and there has been absolutely no talk of a challenge to her becoming Speaker, so it would seem that it would be more accurate to state that "It appears Nancy Pelosi has no problem working relationships with the overwhelming majority of Congressional Democrats"

[MADem]

8. To what do you refer? McKinney lost her PRIMARY...she's been out of it

for some time now. She's KNOWN she's out the door.

Why bring this up? To what purpose? Why not welcome the new Buddhist guy who has her seat, and let this shit go?

For the life of me, I don't get what gives here some days.

This is the third McKinney thread I've seen today...and I'll bet there are more than that.

Why beat that dead horse???????? Who benefits from it?

[CatWoman]

9. I brought it up because I wanted to

especially after viewing "American Blackout".

Her successor, Hank Johnson, kept referring to the Pelosi/McKinney dysfunctional relationship as proof that McKinney couldn't get along with people. His words were echoed by several here during the primary, and the debates between the two of them.

Why "not" bring it up?

[MADem]

17. I don't recall him saying anything specifically about PELOSI, just that

he said she can't get along with the generic "colleagues." Do you have a quote that shows him focusing on her relationship with Pelosi?

In any event, the time to beat that horse was back when Hank SAID it, if he did....not NOW, as the House has packed up and gone home.

Why not bring it up? Because what GOOD does it do, unless there are people who are cold and need to be warmed by a bullshit flame war? You're certainly FREE to do it, as I am free to ask about the motive for a discussion that is now about history, and serves no purpose save to have the Pelosi advocates tossing bombs at the McKinney advocates, and vice versa.

It's a divisive discussion point, about a FORMER congresswoman.

Miss McKinney is GONE. DONE. She's once again no longer a congresswoman. Yet again. She may run again, who knows? But for now, she's outta there.

She has a Ph.D. to finish, so she won't be bored.

[emcguffie]

10. Can't that be said about an awful lot of people?

And most assuredly about an awful lot of very talented people? People who might think a little differently?

I've gotten to the point where I honestly believe it is foolish to listen to anything you hear about anyone, especially anyone you might admire or respect. Anything. How much disinformation is being spun out there?

At this point, I've come to believe that we all must be very careful to not be so easily swayed by what we hear, because a huge hunk of what we hear is very likely deliberate misinformation, meant to make us spin our wheels or pick fights with one another, or shoot down someone really good and valuable.

Like what happened to Howard Dean. Where did that come from? Not from us, it didn't. Not even from the other guys. It came from someone else who was wanted to see a specific outcome: i.e., Howard Dean NOT running for POTUS.

So, I guess what I'm saying is, don't listen to people bad-mouthing people you like, or did like, or think you might like. Don't listen to that garbage. And alternatively, be very careful about how much of the opposite you listen to as well -- like Obama and Hillary. Question everything.

[CatWoman]

11. yes

that's why I can't believe people bought it hook, line and sinker.

[bridgit]

12. well, i hear you saying the problem is Pelosi's alone...

:shrug:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

13. Those who don't want her to succeed

... will spin everything in an unfavorable light. The Rethugs and pundits made her the 'boogie-woman' before the election ... and now she's the 'petty bitch'.

[bobbolink]

15. McKinney is a strong woman. She doesn't take "no". She's relentless.

Can't have that.

:(

[Hippo_Tron]

16. I just point to her comments about Al Gore's "Negro tolerance level"

To show that she's an asshole who shouldn't be in congress.

[Smarmie Doofus]

18. McKinney's often over the top but only someone .....

... who's over the top will say certain things that *need* to be said.... damn the torpedoes. No excuses necessary.

Short term: she'll be missed.

Long term: She'll be baaacccckkk !

Re. Pelosi: Appears to be an improvement over the lackluster style of Gephardt.

[robcon]

19. McKinney is not just "over hte top"

She's way beyond rational thinking, IMO.

PaulHo: "someone who's over the top will say certain things that *need* to be said"

But most of the times someone who's over the top will say things that are awful, that just makes your skin crawl... McKinney is that person.

[ninkasi]

20. Well, I think that McKinney

has paid a price for speaking out when nobody else would. Back then, it was considered shocking. Now, it's pretty much accepted. I wasn't aware of a problem between her and Pelosi, but there are probably a lot of manufactured "facts" floating around these days. Considering the scandals the Republicans have covered up, from Foley to the others, anything McKinney has been accused of is trivial.

I think she has been put under a magnifying glass. She's that horror of horrors, an uppity black woman. She's not one of the good ole boys, not in that clique. Thank heaven for that. If she and Pelosi clashed, it's because they are both extremely strong women, and just because they're both Dems doesn't mean that they are going to agree on every single issue.

McKinney's "unstableness" appears very trivial to me, compared with some of the Republican politicians and their shenanigans. If somebody has a link where this combative relationship is described, I'd be glad to read it.