Sunday Morning Talk Shows Have Spoken: ISG is DOA.

[spanone]

No One is Criticizing Bush*. Not even Baker & Hamilton.

Bush* will change NOTHING. Bush* is tough to stand up to Baker Commission.
Bush* won't reduce troops. Bush* won't talk to Syria or Iran. Bush* is awaiting HIS OWN reports. In other words STAY THE COURSE

IT IS ALL BULLSHIT. ULTIMATE BULLSHIT.

DON'T CALL IT DE-FUNDING THE WAR...CALL IT FUNDING A WITHDRAWAL.

[pstans]

1. Why not call it Funding the War on Terrorism

Instead of putting all of our resources into Iraq, where there were no ties to al Queda and use the resources to build alliances around the world to find the terror networks that attacked us and want to attack us again.

Or you could just ask where's Osama?

[Jon8503]

2. So what are the dems saying? N/T.

[spanone]

3. There are really no dems...Hamilton is a dem but he's not talking as a dem.

No one is TAKING ON the president. They are TAKING ON the report.

[sabbat hunter]

4. actually i heard

Baker openly support on MtP a redeployment within Iraq to new safe positions, with Iraqis taking over and acting in a support role.

[spanone]

6. Baker danced around any kind of criticism of the young bush*.

He seemed satisfied that the president was 'considering' some of their recommendations.

[pdxmom]

5. Okay, here is the question I've had for a few days. Why does Bush

have to wait for his OWN reports? Doesn't he get updates and advise daily? Is there something new that these reports haven't told him before? If he's going to learn something new, why is that? They aren't keeping him informed or providing him with the best advise?

Someone needs to find out why they suddenly are coming up with reports, as if they will be presenting something new. This is total crap and scares me that no one seems to question that Bush is just now asking for reports.

[spanone]

7. I thinks it's utter bullshit. It's a way of deluting the ISG report.

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. How long have we been in this damn mess, and he is just now...

...asking someone to create a report? I am appalled that this propaganda is allowed to continue knowing that it is leading to the death of americans and Iraqi citizens. This is political BS.

[librechik]

10. Little Georgie hasn't been doing his homework. He needs time

for the flacks who write his book reports to get them away from Barney.

[Nite Owl]

8. I caught a the last few minutes

of Russert and it seems that the way they are trying to frame this is America tried, the Iraqi's failed, they couldn't pull themselves together after democracy was offered to them. Blame switch. And we need to try putting in 20k more troops for another six months to be able to say we did all we could.

They are playing with the lives of the troops, we never should have gone in to begin with and the fact that this was all based on lies is not being talked about. The ISG is the great distraction to rewrite history for *.

[Bigmack]

14. Blame Iraq...

I guess we should be happy with any reason to get the fuck out of there, but blaming the Iraqis is bullshit.... and the pundits and neocons know it.

Good article from today's San Diego Union Tribune (I can't believe it! Even this Copley rag is turning on Dumbya.)

This is from the New Republic, fer crissakes!
- - - -
It's not just the Iraqis' fault

By Peter Beinart
December 10, 2006

Across ideological lines, American politicians and pundits are finally coming to a consensus on Iraq: It's the Iraqis' fault. “We gave the Iraqis their freedom,” pronounced liberal California Sen. Barbara Boxer on Nov. 16. “What are they doing with this freedom? They're killing each other.” The next day, conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer concurred heartily, writing: “We have given the Iraqis a republic, and they do not appear able to keep it.”

It's easy to see why this line of argument appeals to both left and right. For liberals, blaming the Iraqis justifies a U.S. withdrawal: If the Iraqis are incorrigible, then there's nothing U.S. troops can do. For conservatives, it excuses the Bush administration: If the Iraqis are incorrigible, this catastrophe is their fault, not ours.

It's a soothing, self-justifying argument, but it's dead wrong. The United States has not given Iraqis their freedom because freedom requires order, which the United States – from the very beginning – did not provide. And the United States has not given Iraqis a republic because a republic presupposes a state.

snip...

If we need to leave; we need to leave. But let's not pretend the defeat is anyone else's but our own.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061210/news_lz1e10beinart.html

[ChairmanAgnostic]

11. is this a surprise? Bush had no intention ever if reading or following it.

to the contrary, he and his cronies ducked long enough for the storm to pass, and now, they can continue acting as they want. And by next week, the ISG report will be forgotten, and our MSM will quickly find a missing besotted, blond bimbette to blather about. One VERY BIG REASON WHY is because of our new Democratic majority. Most of them have already failed miserably, and they haven't even taken control yet. Worse yet, they allowed the GOP to sneak out of office, leaving everything (how about a budget?) either broke, broken, unfinished, or made worse by them. Worst of all, there may be a domestic agenda, or at least Speaker Pelosi has indicated that she will have one, but for IraqNam? Silence.

The Dems, except for a few brave and rational thinkers, sat back and allowed the GOP to get all the headlines. The Dems were perfectly (and erroneously) content to wait for Bush Sr's hatchetman's report. Even if they knew that Junior would never follow it and even if the Baker report would not contain truly earthshaking ideas, they refused to place forward any proposal themselves.

By leaving this issue to bushbot like Baker and Hamilton, the Dems washed their hands of it. Now that the report is out, and by all accounts Junior will ignore it, the Dems find themselves totally boxed out - they have not one option available; they have no mechanism ready to even bring forward another option. All they have is a binary choice: Either support Bush's stay the coarse, or allow Bush Sr's consigliari offer an ALTERNATE GOP PROPOSAL.

Where is any democratic proposal, democratic approach, any democratic brain trust, or any democratic proposal? Missing in Action.
Where is any indie approach, from a group not tied to either party, or corporate interest? (anyone here honestly think that Haliburton, or big Oil, did NOT have an impact on the report?)

[gratuitous]

12. Aren't you glad we spent all that time and money?

Ed Meese sure is, I'll bet. That croaking little toad probably needed the sinecure of the commission to pay his bar bill somewhere.

[guruoo]

13. "Staying the course" will cause Bush's remaining conservative...

support base to turn against him.
Talk about a train wreck!

[neverforget]

15. Did you really expect Bush to change? He's the biggest dunderhead

on the planet. As far as Bush is concerned, everything is going great in Iraq and the next President will clean up the mess because he is infallible.