Diana Vindicated

[Me.]

After Diana blew the gaff on her husband and the royal family, the "official" word whispered about her was that she was one diamond short of a tiara. A huge smear campaign about how loopy and unstable she was, was put in place. Listen to her they said, she thinks the intelligence agencies are listening to her and tracking her movements.

Rest in peace Diana, the truth is finally coming out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2890228

[EFerrari]

1. Smear campaigns have this drawback; truth will out.

:)

[babylonsister]

2. Fayed's father is vindicated as well. He always thought there

was more to this 'accident' than was being told. People blew him off.

[Raine]

22. I always thought

he was paranoid but now I see he was on point about this the whole time.

[Atman]

40. Who said anything about there being "more to this accident?"

With all due respect (or as George W. Bush would say, "IN all due respect."), this has nothing to do with anything fishy about the death of Diana. You've put 2 and 2 together and reached 5. All this article is about is the U.S. listening in on Di's communications. Well, "all" it's about sounds a bit soft...obviously that is serious, but it does NOT mean that just because the government was eavesdropping on her, that they also drove her into a bridge abutment at 90 mph!

.

[question everything]

3. Saw "Queen" a week ago

a nice tribute to her

and I think that it really helps the reputation of Tony Blain

[calimary]

18. I did, too. And you make a good point - it sure does rehabilitate

Tony Blair and turn him into a sympathetic figure. After we saw the movie, I turned to my husband and said "Blair should have quit, THEN." He'd be remembered far more fondly than he will be at this point.

Thanks, george. There's ANOTHER thing you fucked up.

[leveymg]

4. Can someone explain why any intel agency would have an interest in her?

This doesn't make any sense - why would U.S. (or even UK) intel want to harm her? Why even bother to monitor her? She was nothing more than the ex-spouse of a non-reigning member of the Royal family in a constitutional monarchy. She didn't really know any state secrets. She was a nice, fashionable divorcee with some public influence and popularity, but no real value as an intelligent asset.

Why kill her or even bug her phone?

[Annces]

5. I think any person who gets involved in activist issues

gets on watch list. She was involved in the issues of land mines and also AIDs. Plus she was dating people with power, and she was a big gossip I imagine.

[H2O Man]

6. That is right.

The land mines issue is sensitive. It opens the door to other issues relating to how wars are fought.

[Sydnie]

10. Thank you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2890228&mesg_id=2890244

I said that yesterday but no one responded to that issue at all.

[alfredo]

35. The US makes and sells a lot of land mines. She was a

threat to those industries.

[rman]

8. But, but. She was nothing more than the ex-spouse

of a non-reigning member of the Royal family.

No?

[leveymg]

9. That's a pretty mild form of activism. Nothing to get anyone killed over.

If she was sleeping with a "wog", well that was annoying to some people, but again not the sort of thing MI5 might sanction an assassination over. The gossip part, maybe. What did she say?

[Me.]

13. Not Exactly

Land mines are a devastating issue, not only for soldiers but for the people left behind, the number of children and adult civilians who have been blown up or lost limbs from unexploded mines is tragic. Until Diana, the issue had no public face.

And it is also important to keep in mind, that at least in Britain, until Diana went to hospitals and held the hands of, and hugged, people with aids, they were essentially pariahs.

As to just being the ex-spouse. The problem for the royal family was that she knew the secrets and where a lot of bodies were buried and seemingly was ready to talk more than she had if they pushed her too far. Their term for her was "loose cannon". And there, as here, the status quo "must be maintained" no matter the cost

[knitter4democracy]

19. And land mines make some companies a lot of money

They sell them by the thousands, and they're not all that expensive to make, yet most every army in the world is ordering more and more, it seems. They're good blood money for the military-industrial complex.

[Annces]

14. I don't know about the assasination part

I just think there were reasons why she would be bugged.

[Me.]

15. I Don't Either

Though I will say this, there was always rumors that Henri Paul's blood had been switched and to have the investigator say that was true but we have the right blood now doesn't leave me with a lot of confidence about that issue. As we have learned in the last six years, the improbable ain't necessarily so.

What was Bush (along with Hoover) doing in Dallas that day, and why were any warnings he had to give, done after? Why did Judy Miller give a head's up to an Islamic charity that the FBI was on the way? How did Dr. Kelley really die? Why was Valerie Plame outed, retaliation, to protect US companies selling components of WMDs, or a combination of both? And so on...

[OzarkDem]

20. That is very, very strange

Paul's blood was switched, but we have the right blood now? I call BS. That's a cover up.

[rman]

7. She was a lot more than the ex-spouse of a non-reigning member of the Royal family

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-70-251-1289-10/on_this_day/disasters_tragedies/princess_diana
The world had watched Princess Di blossom from a 19-year-old blushing bride, to an assured divorced mother of two, to a tireless and devoted activist.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana%2C_Princess_of_Wales#Charity_work
Starting in the mid-to-late 1980s, the Princess of Wales became well known for her support of charity projects. This stemmed naturally from her role as Princess of Wales -- she was expected to engage in hospital visiting and the comforting of the sick and to assume the patronage of a variety of charitable organizations -- and from a personal interest in certain illnesses and areas. Owing to PR efforts in which she agreed to appear as a figurehead, Diana is credited with influence in the campaign against the use of landmines and with helping to decrease discrimination against victims of AIDS.

[leveymg]

11. Nobody's about to kill the ex of the Prince of Wales over land mines.

Opposition to land mines is a cause that attracted a lot of high profile people. There's no pattern of deaths over that issue. It had to be SOMETHING else, or maybe it was just a tragic accident of some sort.

The only thing that comes to mind is that it has something to do with her boyfriend and the Saudis. What was he involved in that might make someone want to kill him?

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. No, nothing to kill her about

but they think it worth bugging her phone for; and they might also use that as an excuse to bug her phone so they can sell what they heard to newspapers. Remember that phone conversations of both Charles and Diana made their way into newspapers, no doubt for a large amount of money; if you can get permission to bug someone that famous, it could be a nice little earner for you a few years later.

[leveymg]

17. Profit motive is always worth considering.

Wasn't aware that US intel agencies were into buggings for hire, not on that level. Not officially, anyway.

Still wouldn't explain why anyone would want to kill Di and her consort.

[QuestionAll...]

21. some rumor had it that her next project was

looking into the Palestinian situation.
I know I saw an author talk about this on some tv interview, but that was quite a time ago and I forget who that was.

where Diana went, news coverage followed and the plight of the Palestinians is not to be shown - was the general message.

[leveymg]

23. Hmmm. Getting more plausible here.

I can see how that would raise alarm in some quarters. Actually, I think the answer may also have to do with a meeting held at the same hotel, the Ritz in Paris owned by the elder al-Fayed, at which the Saudi Royal family had met with emissaries of bin Laden and worked out a protection deal. In that arrangement, the Royals agreed to pay UBL several tens of millions of dollars if he agreed to not target them for overthrow.

Basically, the Saudi Royals said to bin Laden, we don't care who you attack, and we'll pay you handsomely to do it.

Dodi's dad may have had something to do with brokering that deal. Recall, after 9/11, al-Fayed was denied UK citizenship for reasons publicly unexplained by the Blair Government.

Sins of the father. That's my feeling about this. Diana must have known, but chose to ignore it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. al Fayed has been repeatedly denied British citizenship because he's a crook

who used fraud to buy Harrods. That's the simple reason he's always been denied citizenship.

Egyptian tycoon Mohamed al-Fayed has failed in his latest attempt to win his long battle for UK citizenship.
...
Mr al-Fayed's first application in 1995 was rejected by the Conservative government.

BBC, Thursday, May 6, 1999

The Al Fayeds' next target became Harrods, at that time subject to a Lonrho takeover campaign. In 1985, the brothers succeeded in clinching a £615m takeover bid.

But Rowland refused to accept defeat, mounting a bitter campaign against the Al Fayeds which resulted in a Department of Trade inquiry.

The subsequent report, issued in 1990, concluded the Al Fayeds had lied about their background and wealth.

"We are satisfied the image they created between November 1984 and March 1985 of their wealthy Egyptian ancestors was completely bogus."
...
After his first passport refusal, Mr Al Fayed revealed he had paid two Conservative ministers - Neil Hamilton and Tim Smith - to ask questions related to his interests, in the House of Commons. Both left the government in disgrace.

He claimed another political scalp in Jonathan Aitken, the cabinet minister who resigned after the Harrods boss revealed he had been staying free at the Ritz in Paris at the same time as Saudi arms dealers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2897973.stm

Mohamed Al Fayed has been a fraud for years. It's no wonder he's been repeatedly refused citizenship.

[leveymg]

43. That reported 1996 meeting may have been at a different Paris hotel

The Hotel Royale Monceau. However, al-Fayed's close ties to the Saudis (some very spooky Saudis) is indisputable. Time Magazine (09/08/97) stated: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,986952,00.html

But the dashing Dodi was royalty of a different sort. He was the only son of Mohamed al Fayed and his late first wife Samira Khashoggi, sister of Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi. The elder Al Fayed is a self-made billionaire whose wealth is greater than the Queen's. His sprawling empire contains some highly prized European properties. In addition to London's fashionable Harrods department store, he owns the Ritz Hotel of Paris . . .

[AZBlue]

41. That's interesting. This OP made me think of the quote that I have never been able to shake -

she stated a few months before her death that she would soon undertake a project or do something that would shock everyone. Many said it was that she was going to marry Dodi, but he was just a fun summer fling, she had once been married to the Prince of Wales, she had higher standards than that (nothing against Dodi, but he wasn't exactly the type to get married either). I always wondered if it was a political or human rights issue that was invovlved, but never heard anything more about it.

[leveymg]

42. There's an interesting discussion (dismissal) of that theory

blogged at this site: http://adloyada.typepad.com/adloyada/2005/10/princess_diana_.html

I honestly don't know what to think about the NSA coverage. But, killing someone in the back seat of a Mercedes S-Class, no matter how stoned the driver, seems a rather uncertain method of assassination. If they'd been sensible enough to click their safety belts, Diana and Dodi would likely have walked away.

[bobbie]

24. British intelligence probably outsourced it to US spooks

And I think it makes it increasingly likely that she was murdered.

[Ignacio Upton]

25. Great, lets blame Clinton

Since Diana's death happened on his watch...I'm sure the Freepers will say that Diana was "Vince Foster'd" and try to tie her death into Whitewater or Hillary somehow.

[bobbie]

26. Keep your eyes wide shut

You have my permission (since you're doing it anyway).

I wouldn't even try to tell you that President Kennedy was murdered by the CIA. Your head would explode.

[Ignacio Upton]

27. Why would Clinton want to wiretap Diana?

Also, I think it was the Mafia that was most likely to have killed Kennedy, if you want to look into any possible conspiracy scenarios (why else would Jack Ruby shoot Oswald?)

[bobbie]

28. READ THE SUBJECT LINE IN MY EARLIER POST--duh

Oh, and the mob dunnit scenario is the disinformation the gov't wants us to believe since their first cover story, a lone nut dunnit, officially fell apart when the House Subcommittee on Assassinations concluded that President Kennedy was murdered as part of a conspiracy. I bet you don't know enough about real history to be aware of that late breaking, 1978, development huh?

They had to come up with a replacement cover story, one that make them look clean of course. Of course, even if the mob dunnit, there was little distinction between the CIA and the mob in 1963. Johnny Roselli was a CIA "assett" for example.

[H2O Man]

31. You are the only one

saying "Clinton" wiretapped Diana. There is no reason to say such a thing.

[Me.]

32. Here's Who Was Actually Spying On Her

Seems it was everyone in the world but Clinton

It has been revealed to the British team reinvestigating the death of Diana that Henri Paul may have provided information to the British MI6 and the Israeli Mossad. It has also been revealed that he may have been on the payroll of the French Secret Services. <1>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Paul

[H2O Man]

34. It has nothing

to do with Clinton. Even if there was some evidence of US intelligence coordinating to some degree in an overseas operation, there is absolutely no reason for anyone with even a mild grasp of how the intelligence communities work to mention Clinton's name. I wonder why anyone here would attempt to throw that into a discussion.

[H2O Man]

30. It doesn't involve Clinton.

I'm surprised you would say that.

[AspenRose]

37. Did you forget your 'sarcasm' thingy?

eom

[Name removed]

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[Tellurian]

38. You are forgetting, she was the mother of the future King of England..

He would from time to time be visiting with his mother and her significant other, who in this case happened to be an Arab.
This development place the Royals at risk of nefarious activities against the Crown. Whats more, the high likelihood of a kidnapping, assassination or half sibling would be seen as too problematic for the Royal family to deal with..

This whole scenario of why Dianna died wreaks of motive, motive, motive...

Without her...all these problems simply just go away!

[rman]

12. BBC 2 tonight : How Diana Died: The Conspiracy Files

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/listings/index.shtml?service_id=4224&DAY=today

9 PM
How Diana Died: The Conspiracy Files

This programme investigates allegations that Princess Diana was murdered by the secret service on the orders of the British establishment.

[lovuian]

36. I agree she is getting the treatment of JFK and others

:woohoo:

[UTUSN]

39. She's --------SO-------Lounge (as are ALL of the "royals") n/t

[rman]

44. broad brush much?