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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 12:46 PM
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Newsweek: While Karl Rove was predicting victory, Josh Bolten planned for electoral defeat

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16126924/site/newsweek/page/2/

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That was just the start. In the weeks before the Republicans lost Congress, while Karl Rove was predicting victory, Bolten tasked a small group of trusted aides to plan for electoral defeat and its aftermath. The first step was to fire the abrasive, out-of-touch Rumsfeld and replace him with straight-talking Robert Gates. The second was to ready a respectful response to the pending Baker-Hamilton report but to downplay its importance by stressing it is just one of several government reports on the war effort that Bush is reviewing. The final phase was to move past the elder statesmen by introducing Bush's own strategy.

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 12:49 PM
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1. Didn't I see a post that Rove was gonna be leaving...it hasn't happened yet.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 12:49 PM
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2. Problem being Jr is turning his back on his father and his father's ppl
This may not be a good thing.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 12:57 PM
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7. This isn't a "problem" for the current administration
Apparently they never had any intention of accepting the report or of following any of its recommendations in the first place. But they couldn't be openly hostile to it, at least not until it came out.

The fact that the BH commission waited until after the elections to present their report suggests to me that indeed there is a major rift -- and Baker doth protest too much -- between the GHWB 41 power structure and those surrounding 43*.

Remember that junior was Poppy's political enforcer, a strongman for the 41 team and the party as a whole, until something happened. I lean more and more and more to the idea that that "something" was Dick Cheney.

Cheney is the real power, and he's the one who has to be removed. Not only removed, but rendered powerless and incapable of controlling/manipulating 43*.


TG


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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 01:09 PM
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10. For lack of facts, I propose that the PNAC group submitted -
THEIR plan for the takeover of the Middle East and their higher powers in the Republican Party went along with it. The PNAC group already had the storngest roots possible in the Republican Party from their decades of dirty work with a corporate and baron bent - i.e., they had already made money for the barons and ceos and were themselves ceos inbetween their turns at messing up the government of the people.

It all revolved around Cheney and his close partner Rumsfeld for day to day operations and others from media and government placements to get the job underway. Bush Jr was thrust upon all of them equally based on the concept of him winning their radical voting bases (or not winning if they could steal competently enough). Jr was also maleable and probably had shown a good ability to fund raise. All activites that could be undertaken while Cheney bunkered down.

One of the resentments is that Cheney was supposed to pass around some of the contracts and didn't?

Barons = the ones whose faces and names you don't know so well, if at all.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:04 PM
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11. Cheney rogued-out on them
Cheney had been well taken care of by 41 and his crowd, but Cheney wanted more. Besides, hadn't Cheney been SecDef under 41 and been denied that overwhelming "victory" over Saddam in '91?

I could get real tinfoil-hattish if I let myself -- Cheney allows himself to be appointed by 41 to serve as junior's point man in the hunt for a VP nominee in 2000, and takes advantage of the opportunity to put himself in the spot. Can the 41 camp protest? Not hardly; they can't let it be known that they're manipulating junior's campaign. And no doubt they get assurances from Cheney that no one can keep an eye on "the boy" the way he can.

So when junior gets almost elected -- and family fixer Baker comes in to seal the deal -- the trick is to keep the 41ers happy (or at least off balance) enough to leave things alone. Cheney and Rumsfeld make their PNAC plans, with the help of old buddies Perle and Feith and Wolfowitz and Adelman and all the rest, and just to keep things tense, they bring in Colin Powell.

Powell is the worst kind of token in the 43 administration: he's given a high-profile spot so the image is of a respected black man in a position of authority and power in the 43 administration, but he's effectively silenced. He has sold his soul to them -- and his son's soul, too -- and can't get out. Powell, who may have brought as much black vote to the GOP in 00 and 02 and even 04 as they would ever have got under any contemporary circumstances, was a sucker. But he was also neutralized, and when they got him to support their assault on Iraq, they knew they had him by the testicles. They used him, then they threw him away; the most respected black republican was neutered politically.

And of course they replaced him with another sucker -- Condi Rice. Not only black, but a woman to boot! Whoooheee!

While all this is going on, 43 is making a mess out of everything -- 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Plame, Swiftboats. He does absolutely nothing right. Nothing. But the 41ers and the PNACers (sometimes the same folks, sometimes not) have to prop up 43 for their own interests. Chief among these not-so-Mayberry Machiavellis is Cheney himself. And I think he kept the old guard pacified for a while, kept them bamboozled enough to think he still had their best interests at heart. (Yeah, right, what heart???)

The idea, of course, was to keep things stable enough to let Jebbie come on the scene and make the dynasty complete. I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't some sort of "plan" to let Jebbie clean up 43's mess so beautifully that the booooshies would be voted in as perpetual leaders. (I'm not saying this would ever work, but I do believe there are people who believe this would be a good idea, booosh after booooosh after booooosh. . . .) Oh, sure, it wouldn't make GWB look very good if his baby bro had to clean up after him, but hey, it's all in the family, right? And it's ultimately more about 41's legacy than 43's anyway.

But Cheney, who started out as 41's man, rogued out and took the vulnerable boyking under his own tutelage, thinking maybe he could get a bigger cut of the imperial pie than the old guard would give him. Cheney pumped up that arrogance, widened the oedipal rift, and took control. He needed 43 as the figurehead -- the photo opper, the fund raiser, the glad hander -- but Cheney knew he himself was the power. He could even cut his buddy Rumsfeld loose while keeping him in the loop.

Did the old guard foist Gates on the boyking, or did Cheney, who hasn't quite yet consolidated his absolute power, not have the strength to resist their pressure? Is Gates, like Baker, essentially an enforcer, and an open mole into the Cheney-controlled kingdom?

As I've said, we'll see how this falls out.

TG

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:06 AM
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13. Very possible. I do think, however, that they (the powers)
authorized the PNAC crown to run the show whlle they chose Jr and Cheney to run the WH. Everybody had to know that Jr did not bring much except that he could raise funds and be maleable. Evidently, Cheney and Rumsfeld really thought that they would be welcomed in Iraq and could get the oil and the lines, save the dollar, build the bases, satisfy the Israeli operatives in the U.S. government, and proceed to the rest of the ME, minus Jordan and Egypt (for the time being or always). Cheney and Rumsfeld not only failed the world, they failed their bosses and sponsors.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 12:57 PM
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8. Right again he will stay the course unless he is removed with Cheney
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 01:05 PM
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9. So Will 41 Get So Pissed Off That He'll Have To Take Matters In....
his hand and have Cheney and his son impeached. Will he send in some Repugs to the WH and tell 43 to resign or they will impeach him? I'm thinking that he would have to do something to assure that the Repugs stay in control and not let Nancy Pelosi take over. But do you think some senario could be developed to remove 43 by 41?

After all I don't think 41 was crying the other day only for Jeb. I think he realizes that 43 screwed up.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:40 PM
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12. 41 is hoping someone will do the diry work for him
I don't think GHWB is capable of taking out his own son; that would utterly destroy the "legacy." I think he sent in Baker & Co. to try to fix things, but so far it hasn't worked. And I certainly do believe 41's tears were for the way junior has fucked everything up, including prospects for Jeb as 44.

I think Cheney has dirt on 41 and 41 has dirt on Cheney (and on Rumsfeld, whom I understand 41 hated), and now it's a matter of waiting to see which of them blinks first. I'm not putting money on either one, though I'm hoping it's the lesser of the two stinking evils: I'm hoping 41 is man enough to find a way to pull the plug on Cheney's power. Maybe that will help salvage some miserable crumb of a legacy: "Father throws son under bus to save passengers."


TG


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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 12:52 PM
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3. So, more campaigning, less governing. Status quo.
:eyes:
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 12:54 PM
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4. Good luck with that, Josh.
You're in serious territory with Iraq, and merely playing more politics is NOT going to save your boss's ass.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 12:56 PM
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5. Gee, I wonder who in the White House was the main source for *this* story
They just never stop whacking off, do they?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 12:57 PM
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6. this is just propaganda bullshit, trying to assign blame and make BushCo look smart
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 03:35 AM
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14. I agree
nice way to spin things that have already happened to look "smart"..
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