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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 10:17 PM
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"John McCain is a phoney. He's nothing but a Rhinestone Cowboy".
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 10:38 PM by shance
SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO"


McCain has always had his own problems with Viet Nam veterans. The government's media apparatus has basically given him a free pass.

Part I

John McCain the second-term Republican senator from Arizona and former Navy pilot captured and held prisoner during the Vietnam War, is a fraud, collaborator, and danger to the security of the United States because he is being black-mailed by the communist Vietnamese. He is a phony--a "rhinestone hero."

While a prisoner of war, McCain was treated as a "special prisoner," with privileges including being given his own private and affectionate nurse.

McCain's treatment as a "special prisoner" is a contradiction to his much publicized image of a great war hero who was severely tortured and kept in solitary confinement for long periods of time because he refused to break during interrogation.

Ted Guy, a former Air Force Colonel held 5 1/2 years by the Vietnamese and McCain's senior ranking officer (SRO) in the POW camp, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch he cannot remember the communists ever laying a hand on McCain.


Other sources have told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that the Vietnamese are holding as much as fifty hours of film footage secretly taken of McCain during the time his KGB-trained handlers had him isolated from other U.S. prisoners of war.

Some of the film, according to the sources, is of McCain receiving special privileges during the time he claims he was being tortured and held in long-term solitary confinement.

The sources say interrogators have candid camera footage of McCain with the nurse, who allegedly supplied him with more than just medical attention during those lonely days and nights in so-called solitary confinement.

In June 1992, Trung Hieu, a film director from the Vietnamese Ministry of Culture and former North Vietnamese Army photographer, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that Hanoi does have considerable film of POW McCain and some of it involves a Vietnamese woman.

More at:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd59.htm
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 10:22 PM
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1. I say these tapes need to be released
In light of the Swift Shitters, I think it's time we do a little shitting on our own, especially if these damning allegations turn out to be true and in the form of old footage from 40 years ago. If they want to pull the shit they pulled against Kerry, then this is fair game. The only difference is we'd have the tapes to back it up.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 10:25 PM
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2. Agreed.... I think he supported the Swiftboating of Kerry...
and he just hired the racist publicist that put out those horrible adds against Ford....even though he and his wife adopted an Asian child...

He let them attack his family and stood by and asked for more...

Lets try to get those tapes released...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 10:54 PM
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5. McCain did ask Bush to condemn the Swift Boat ads
"In an August 5 interview with the Associated Press, Senator John McCain (R-AZ), "a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called the ad criticizing John Kerry's military service 'dishonest and dishonorable' and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408050007

I don't care for anyone swiftboating McCain. This just scum-sucking bullshit. There is plenty to run on McCain's record without resorting to character assassination.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 10:37 PM
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:10 PM
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8. Why are you referencing the publication of a smear boat vet?
That is who writes the U.S. Veteran Dispatch, you realize.

Good lord.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 10:45 PM
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4. Much as I'd love to believe this
doesn't it sound just like the Swifties? He said, he saw, pictures no one has. In a vault no one can get to. I would need more than this to believe it. Having been a nurse in Vietnam I know that at best 40 years later memory is a strange thing....I've recently been reminded of two events of which I was a principal player and have absolutely NO memory of either. I've completely erased one person from my grey cells. With some stories it is amazing that 5 people can each have a piece of that story. We've found that common.
Stress does wierd things.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 10:57 PM
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6. Swiftboating McCain is bullshit. I don't care for him, but this is just bullshit
I would rather stick needles in my eyes that support McCain, but this swiftboating crap is not the way to run against him. Granted, the Repigs will do it to him. It's still a shame.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:05 PM
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7. Oh for FUCK'S SAKE!
TED FUCKING SAMPLEY!?

Geez Louise! Could you find a reference that isn't batshit crazy!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:31 PM
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9. How many times will you publish this SWIFTBOAT shit????
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:42 PM
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10. How many times do you have to be rude?
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 11:42 PM by shance
Who are you Bluebear to tell anyone what to post?

Feel free to share your love and compassion for John McCain somewhere else.

For those who question Sampley's work, here is additional information that is not written by Ted Sampley.

The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides

Former POW Fights Public Access to POW/MIA Files



By Sydney Schanberg


NEW YORK (APBnews.com) -- The voters who were drawn to John S. McCain in his run for the Republican presidential nomination this year often cited, as the core of his appeal, his openness and blunt candor and willingness to admit past lapses and release documents that other senators often hold back.

(snip)
But there was one subject that was off-limits, a subject the Arizona senator almost never brings up and has never been open about -- his long-time opposition to releasing documents and information about American prisoners of war in Vietnam and the missing in action who have still not been accounted for.

Since McCain himself, a downed Navy pilot, was a prisoner in Hanoi for 5 1/2 years, his staunch resistance to laying open the POW/MIA records has baffled colleagues and others who have followed his career. Critics say his anti-disclosure campaign, in close cooperation with the Pentagon and the intelligence community, has been successful. Literally thousands of documents that would otherwise have been declassified long ago have been legislated into secrecy.

For example, all the Pentagon debriefings of the prisoners who returned from Vietnam are now classified and closed to the public under a statute enacted in the 1990s with McCain's backing. He says this is to protect the privacy of former POWs and gives it as his reason for not making public his own debriefing.

But the law allows a returned prisoner to view his own file or to designate another person to view it.

APBnews.com has repeatedly asked the senator for an interview for this article and for permission to view his debriefing documents. He has not responded. His office did recently send APBnews.com an e-mail, referring to a favorable article about the senator in the Jan. 1 issue of Newsweek. In the article, the reporter, Michael Isikoff, says that he was allowed to review McCain's debriefing report and that it contained "nothing incriminating" -- although in a phone interview Isikoff acknowledged that "there were redactions" in the document. Isikoff declined to say who showed him the document, but APBnews.com has learned it was McCain.

Many Vietnam veterans and former POWs have fumed at McCain for keeping these and other wartime files sealed up.

His explanation, offered freely in Senate hearings and floor speeches, is that no one has been proven still alive and that releasing the files would revive painful memories and cause needless emotional stress to former prisoners, their families and the families of MIAs still unaccounted for.

But what if some of these returned prisoners, as has always been the case at the conclusion of wars, reveal information to their debriefing officers about other prisoners believed still held in captivity?

What justification is there for filtering such information through the Pentagon rather than allowing access to source materials?

For instance, debriefings from returning Korean war POWs, available in full to the American public, have provided both citizens and government investigators with important information about other Americans who went missing in that conflict.

Would not most families of missing men, no matter how emotionally drained, want to know? And would they not also want to know what the government was doing to rescue their husbands and sons? Hundreds of MIA families have for years been questioning if concern for their feelings is the real reason for the secrecy.

http://www.aiipowmia.com/sea/schanberg_mccain.html
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:44 PM
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11. You haven't seen rude yet.
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 11:46 PM by Bluebear
>Who are you Bluebear to tell anyone what to post?

Feel free to share your love and compassion for John McCain somewhere else.<

I have neither love nor compassion for the man; your post was locked by moderators earlier and yet you repost it. Why do you know respect the moderators of the board?

Do you we will win the Presidency in 08 by trashing McCain's service?
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:48 PM
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12. according to the other post
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 11:53 PM by GreenArrow
it was locked because of Israeli/Palestinian issues, except there weren't any. Go figger.

I don't see any good reason to block this one, either. As someone suggested above, the Democrats don't have to do anything with this "story"; let the Republicans devour themselves.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:49 PM
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13. A thread just like this was locked earlier today.
Are you trying for twice?

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:54 PM
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14. Sydney Schanberg is just as screwed up as Ted Sampley
Swiftboating is just not cool. I don't care who it's doing it to. I have no love for McCain, but this stuff is unproveable hearsay.

There are good reasons why Schanberg was canned by the New York Times and was forced to quit with the Rolling Stone magazine. He uses sleazy journalistic techniques in a lot of his stories. His work on Pol Pot was pretty cool, but the remainder of his career has been pretty checkered. I wouldn't consider him a valid source for much.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 12:12 AM
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16. And read this by Devvy Kidd
and tell me she's not bananas.

http://www.devvy.com/devvyindex.html
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:09 AM
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19. Bazzoinks!
Yish...s-c-a-r-e-y... lots of time went into those little spinning animated gifs of madness...
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:58 PM
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15. Please check your sources of info. Ted Sampley is slime and a Swiftboater of McCain & Kerry.
Not a reputable source. Joe Conason on the smearing of McCain and Kerry & Sampley's involvement: http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/conason/2004/02/10/kerry_smear/index.html

I'm never been a McCain fan and I recall the Keating 5. But please don't just post Sampley's crap here as if it's to be regarded as serious credible info.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 12:25 AM
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17. I totally believe this story
I always thought McStain was, at the very least, an informant who would say or do anything to save his own neck. But this story also makes sense...there's no way a man who'd been tortured (as he claims) could just waltz back into normal society without having massive psychological baggage to deal with, first. And there's no way a man who had been tortured could have voted for the torture bill.

There's a special place in hell for John McCain....
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 12:29 AM
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18. Did you hear that Kerry didn't earn his medals?
And that the UN is part of the New World Order?

Believe this report, and you'll have to swallow alot of other weirdness on Devy's site, and Sampley's site, just for consistencies sake of course.

So how do you explain why McCain's arms are too short. Did he break them himself just for appearances?
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