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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:14 AM
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Anthrax attack on US Congress made by scientists and covered up by FBI, expert says
http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20061211-033912-3373r

Sherwood Ross
Middle East Times
December 11, 2006


WASHINGTON -- The terrorists who perpetrated the 2001 anthrax attack on Congress likely were US government scientists at the army's Ft. Detrick, MD., bioterrorism lab having access to "moonsuits" that enabled them to safely process and manufacture super-weapons-grade anthrax, an eminent authority on the subject says.

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Boyle, who drafted the US Biological Weapons Convention of 1989 enacted by Congress, said destruction of the Ames anthrax "appears to be a cover-up orchestrated by the FBI."

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Boyle, a leading American authority on international law, said after the attacks he contacted senior FBI official Marion "Spike" Bowman, who handles counter-terrorism issues, and provided him with the names of the scientists working with anthrax. Boyle told Bowman the Ft. Detrick scientists were not to be trusted.

In addition to then destroying the anthrax, the FBI "retained every independent life-scientist it could locate as part of its fictitious investigation, and then swore them all to secrecy so that they cannot publicly comment on the investigation or give their expert opinion," Boyle said.

Boyle pointed out that Bowman is the same FBI agent "who played a pivotal role in suppressing evidence which in turn prevented the issuance of a search warrant for the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged 20th Al Qaeda hijacker on 11 September 2001, which might otherwise have led to foreknowledge and therefore prevention of those terrorist attacks in the first place."

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Because of its "bogus investigation," Boyle said, "the greatest political crime in the history of the United States of America since its founding on 4 July, 1776 - the anthrax attacks on Congress, which served not only to deliver a terrorist threat on its members, but actually to close it down for a period - may remain officially unresolved forever."

"Could it truly be coincidental," he continued, "that two of the primary intended victims of the terrorist anthrax attacks - Senators Daschle and Leahy - were holding up the speedy passage of the pre-planned USA Patriot Act ... an act which provided the federal government with unprecedented powers in relation to US citizens and institutions?"

Leahy is incoming Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee and may have a personal interest in holding hearings to learn who tried to kill him. He recently said President George W. Bush should be "terrified" that he will be the new Chair.


http://www.law.uiuc.edu/faculty/DirectoryResult.asp?Name=Boyle,+Francis


Francis A. Boyle
Professor

A scholar in the areas of international law and human rights, Professor Boyle (fboyle@law.uiuc.edu) received a J.D. degree magna cum laude and A.M. and Ph.D. degrees in political science from Harvard University. Prior to joining the faculty at the College of Law, he was a teaching fellow at Harvard and an associate at its Center for International Affairs. He also practiced tax and international tax with Bingham, Dana & Gould in Boston.

He has written and lectured extensively in the United States and abroad on the relationship between international law and politics. His eighth book, Destroying World Order, was recently published by Clarity Press. An earlier book, Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, has been used successfully in numerous foreign policy protest trials. In the September 2000 issue of the prestigious The International History Review, Professor Boyle’s Foundations of World Order: The Legalist Approach to International Relations (1898-1922) was proclaimed as “a major contribution to this reinterrogation of the past” and “required reading for historians, political scientists, international relations specialists, and policy-makers.” That book was translated into Korean and published in Korea in 2003 by Pakyoungsa Press.

As an internationally recognized expert, Professor Boyle serves as counsel for Bosnia and Herzegovina in Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) currently pending before the International Court of Justice. He also represents two associations of citizens within the country and has been instrumental in developing the indictment against Slobodan Milosevic for committing genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Professor Boyle is Attorney of Record for the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, conducting its legal affairs on a worldwide basis. Over his career, he has represented national and international bodies including the Blackfoot Nation (Canada) and the Lakota Nation, as well as numerous individual death penalty and human rights cases. He has advised numerous international bodies in the areas of human rights, war crimes and genocide, nuclear policy, and bio-warfare.

From 1991-92, Professor Boyle served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations. He also has served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International, as a consultant to the American Friends Services Committee, and on the Advisory Board for the Council for Responsible Genetics. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, that was approved unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush.

Professor Boyle was selected for inclusion in the 2005 Edition of Marquis' Who's Who in America.


http://grassley.senate.gov/releases/2003/p03r01-09a.htm

For Immediate Release
Thursday, Jan. 9, 2003


Grassley Questions Rationale Behind FBI Award

WASHINGTON — Sen. Chuck Grassley today wrote to FBI Director Mueller to question why he gave an award to Marion "Spike" Bowman in light of the FBI's problems with FISA warrants, especially in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui.

The Judiciary Committee has been investigating the FISA problems at the FBI, including holding closed hearings where Mr. Bowman and other officials were questioned about the Moussaoui case. During testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee and in a letter to Director Mueller, Agent Coleen Rowley highlighted the resistance at headquarters, that agents in Minnesota faced in their investigation of Moussaoui.

Here is Grassley's letter to Director Mueller.

January 9, 2002

The Honorable Robert Mueller
Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20535


Dear Director Mueller:

I am writing to express my concern and inquire about an award you recently gave to Marion "Spike" Bowman for "meritorious service."

Mr. Bowman, as deputy general counsel who is in charge of the FBI's National Security Law Unit, has a great deal of authority at the FBI over the use and processing of warrants sought under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), one of the FBI's most important tools against terrorists.

As you know, the FBI has experienced serious problems with the FISA process over the last several years. These problems are well documented by the May 2000 Bellows report, a July 2001 GAO report, the May 2002 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court's ruling and the Joint inquiry of the Intelligence Committees.

The case of Zaracarias Moussaoui, who has been charged in connection with the terrorist attacks of Sepetmber 11, 2001, is a prime example of the FBI's problems with FISA warrants. The 26-page Electronic Communication from the Minneapolis Division contained information that a reasonable person would have concluded is sufficient to obtain a FISA warrant. The application should have gone forward to the Justice Department and the FISA court.

Instead, Supervisory Special Agent Michael Maltbie concluded there was not enough information to go forward with the application. Incredibly, SSA Maltbie removed certain information before making a presentation of questionable accuracy and length to the National Security Law Unit. Mr. Bowman has said he concurred with SSA Maltbie that there was insufficient evidence to move forward with the FISA warrant application. Even after Mr. Bowman was made aware of the information that had been removed from the application, he maintained that even with that information the application still should not have gone forward.

If the application for the FISA warrant had gone forward as it should have, and had a warrant been granted as I believe it would have, agents would have found information in Moussaoui's belongings that linked him both to a major financier of the hijacking plot working out of Germany, and to a Malaysian Al Qaeda boss who had met with at least two other hijackers while under surveillance by intelligence officials.

In light of the consequences of the decision not to even attempt to seek the FISA warrant, and Mr. Bowman's concurrence with that, it is shocking then that you gave Mr. Bowman the award known as the "Presidential Rank of Meritorious Service."

By granting this award and a monetary bonus, you are sending the wrong signal to those agents who fought – sometimes against senior FBI bureaucrats at headquarters – to prevent the attacks. This also fits with a disturbing pattern of rewarding wrongdoing or mistakes by top officials at the FBI that I hoped would end during your tenure. Also, you have said that the FBI must admit its mistakes, but it seems that is not happening in this case.

To my knowledge, agents who were investigating leads on the hijacking plot prior to September 11, 2001, have neither been thanked nor awarded by you or other headquarters officials in any official way. Agents in Minnesota who investigated Moussaoui and the agent in New York who tried to investigate Khalid Al-Mihdhar should be held up as models of FBI agents seeking to prevent terrorism. Instead, you have given an award and extra money to a bureaucrat at headquarters who is seen by many as having stymied the work of field agents.

I ask that you personally review the Judiciary Committee transcript of the closed hearing held on July 9, 2002 about the FBI's FISA problems. This transcript contains troubling comments and answers from Mr. Bowman and others in the National Security Law Unit. Any reasonable person who reads the transcript will seriously question the competence of the National Security Law Unit.

To better understand why you gave the award to Mr. Bowman, please answer the following questions.

1) How and why was Mr. Bowman selected for this award? – Was this award given by your sole discretion as director, or were others involved in nominating or selecting Mr. Bowman? If others were involved, please identify them and include their reasons for thinking Mr. Bowman should be rewarded in the response. – Please provide any and all documents relating to the decision to grant Mr. Bowman this award. – My staff has been informed by an FBI official in the Office of Congressional and Public Affairs that the award is for work performed over the last three years. If this is so, please include documentation of achievements in this period for which Mr. Bowman was given the award and extra money.

2) I ask that you provide the full internal announcement, or the citation, for the award to Mr. Bowman and other recipients.

3) Please state how much money accompanies Mr. Bowman's award.
I would appreciate a full response in writing by Monday, January 27.

Sincerely,

Charles E. Grassley
Ranking Member
Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:21 AM
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1. Its far more likely that these attacks were perpetrated by the
members of the federal government itself. The purpose was to ensure media and congressional complacency with regard to the Patriot Act and other unitary executive powers asked for in the wake of 9/11.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:27 AM
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2. meebee the "scientists" mentioned were agents of the government
you'd have to think they were carrying out orders from somewhere...
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:03 AM
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3. That term "weapons grade" has always puzzled me.
I finally Googled it to get a clear-cut definition: http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/us_anthrax.swf

pnorman
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 03:56 AM
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4. I think the anthrax attacks would be a good place for Leahy to start his investigations.
Lets see what the FBI has to say when they are put under oath about what they know. That and the money that was made on the airline stocks by the heavy options trading right before 9/11. FBI never figured that out, either.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 06:30 AM
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5. Holy shit. I say, "HOLY SHIT!"
If we can just coax this one the mainstream papers, we'll get our homegrown terrorists!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:06 AM
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6. these attacks were coordinated to make
certain senators shut up.

and it succeeded.

find out everything we can -- this is our own litivenko scandal.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:33 AM
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8. I always found it peculiar that Bush started a war over alleged 'WMD' in Iraq, but
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 07:34 AM by file83
never did anything (like turning the government inside out) to find the source of the Anthrax attacks.

Repeat: He started a War over a hypothetical future threat, yet did NOTHING substantial to catch the people that were involved with an ACTUAL Anthrax attack directly against members of OUR GOVERNMENT!!!!

Curious, ain't it?

Curious too that he also did NOT catch the one terrorist (Osama) that had ALREADY attacked our nation. In fact, it seems as if the Pentagon let him escape on purpose (learned that from "9/11 Press for Truth").

Anyone seeing the pattern here?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:44 AM
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9. oh there's no doubt that the anthrax attacks
were designed -- not unlike the lack of curiosity of the media re: bushco's claims regarding iraq and wmd.

there are too many coincidences all lined up.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:32 AM
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7. Go Leahy.
Will they find Mr. Go Fuck Yourself's fat fingerprints on any evidence?????

I remember Tom Daschle's (another mail recipient) comments about how both Bu$h and Cheney asked him NOT to dig too deep in a 9/11 investigation and the media snoozed.Also recall Bu$h's smug declaration that he didn't have anthrax with his What Me Worry smirk.

Let the floodgates open and wash these bastards away.
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Felinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:53 AM
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10. K&R So many crimes, so little time.

No wonder Lil Chimpy is looking for a "New Way Forward." Looking the other way doesn't serve him very well, does it?

The Democrats have their work cut out for them, literally and figuratively. They will be increasingly criticized for picking at the carcass of the Bush Admin. instead of taking positive steps to create a better future. I hope they are ready with a litany of responses, including:

"That's why we have to work longer and harder than any previous Congress, because the Pugs have let 6 years of oversight go by the by."

"You can't move forward effectively when you don't know how you got to be where you are now."

"Sometimes you have to retrace your steps, and even undo some things from the past, so that you have enough options from which you can create a better future."

ETC.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:28 AM
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11. Why did Cheney start taking Cipro on 9/11, exactly 7 days before the letters?
A doctor friend of mine pointed out that the protocol for Cipro, the powerful anti-anthrax anti-biotic, is to take the drug for seven days before any potential exposure.

Cheney started taking Cipro on the evening of 9/11. The first anthrax letters were mailed out exactly 7 days later.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:32 AM
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12. Impeach them all
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 08:37 AM by malaise
The real question is why MSM has failed to follow the story re the attempted assassination of senior members of the Senate.

Edit-add
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:44 AM
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14. don't forget the media: Dan Rather and others got anthrax letters.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:36 AM
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13. This comment might be too sciency for some Duers: WELL, DUH!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:11 AM
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15. Our guys would be well-served to come to grips with the fact that
the FBI is now an ultra-partisan group just like the judiciary. Louis Freeh spent millions investigating Clinton's sex life, yet Cheney's profiteering and shredding of the constitution have gone ignored. One of the main focuses of the new Congress should be cleaning the sleaze out of BOTH of those groups.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:49 AM
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16. Surprise! Surprise! The Anthrax was prepared and mailed by ...
"scientists" acting alone with no connection to the right wing extremists currently in power of course. :sarcasm:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:26 AM
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17. This gets a recommend. One more thing DUers were right about.
We're batting a thousand. And it sucks.


Well, today I'm more worried about America than ever. We've gone from being in a fight for America to a fight for our lives. This isn't about an administration. It's about criminals who are only in it for themselves and gang members. It's truly a situation where the fox is in the henhouse.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 12:01 PM
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18. hat tip to you
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:00 PM
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19. So, another MIHOP to get what they want. And some of the same people
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 01:03 PM by Nothing Without Hope
seem to be involved in suppressing evidence: "Boyle pointed out that Bowman is the same FBI agent "who played a pivotal role in suppressing evidence which in turn prevented the issuance of a search warrant for the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged 20th Al Qaeda hijacker on 11 September 2001, which might otherwise have led to foreknowledge and therefore prevention of those terrorist attacks in the first place."
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Flarney Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:21 PM
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20. MIHOP indeed....
There are literally hundreds of bits of evidence like this that point toward MIHOP with respect to 9/11. How about we have a real investigation and find out?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 12:39 AM
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57. How can we really have a decent investigation whey they have
the shredders working 24/7?
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 06:32 PM
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48. Nothing a good coincidence theorist can't explain away in a heartbeat. n/t
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:51 PM
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21. kcik
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:59 PM
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22. SUSPICIOUS DEATHS of many top US biological scientists starting in Fall 2001
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 02:05 PM by Nothing Without Hope
A summary list with names, specialties of the victims, and a brief synopsis of the bizarre death stories is given here: http://tinyurl.com/6mt39

One of these that I know with more detail, that of Don Wiley, has been in the major papers because of the bizarre nature of his death and his prominence as a scientist (sorry, didn't save the links but it could be readily googled) - his strange disappearance, with his abandoned car at a bridge and the subsequent finding of his body downstream, at a time when he was deeply and enthusiastically involved in projects and his family. This unexplained death has always sent shivers down my spine. And there have been many others. All had special expertise that could hypothetically have been brought to bear on analyzing biowarfare-related cases like the tracking the provenance of anthrax and who knows what other projects might have been planned. They died around the "right" time for a relationship of some kind to the anthrax attacks.

This paragraph from the opening post catches my attention:
In addition to then destroying the anthrax, the FBI "retained every independent life-scientist it could locate as part of its fictitious investigation, and then swore them all to secrecy so that they cannot publicly comment on the investigation or give their expert opinion," Boyle said."

What about the scientists who refused to play along? Were Don Wiley and the others who died mysteriously around that time killed to silence them and/or remove their expertise from subsequent analysis?


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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 03:16 PM
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31. It's all falling into place.
From the OP:
In addition to then destroying the anthrax, the FBI "retained every independent life-scientist it could locate as part of its fictitious investigation, and then swore them all to secrecy so that they cannot publicly comment on the investigation or give their expert opinion," Boyle said.

Maybe more than a few of these scientists had a conscience?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:58 PM
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52. Not just biologists, MICRObiologists
You know, biologists that are specially trained to work with very small organisms. Oh, say, stuff like bioweapons, for example...

Strange Cluster Of Microbiologists' Deaths Under The Microscope


By Alanna Mitchell, Simon Cooper, and Carolyn Abraham
Compiled by Alanna Mitchell
The Globe and Mail
5-4-2

It's a tale only the best conspiracy theorist could dream up.

Eleven microbiologists mysteriously dead over the span of just five months. Some of them world leaders in developing weapons-grade biological plagues. Others the best in figuring out how to stop millions from dying because of biological weapons. Still others, experts in the theory of bioterrorism.

Throw in a few Russian defectors, a few nervy U.S. biotech companies, a deranged assassin or two, a bit of Elvis, a couple of Satanists, a subtle hint of espionage, a big whack of imagination, and the plot is complete, if a bit reminiscent of James Bond.

http://www.rense.com/general24/exk.htm
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:55 AM
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59. I had the son of a co-worker assigned for over two years
to this case in D.C. All ends were dead ends.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 12:02 PM
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62. How do you mean, dead ends? Do you mean that it was decided that the
cases he examined were not suspicious after all or something more abnormal, like missing evidence? If you are able to expand a bit more, I'd love to hear more.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:01 PM
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23. Congress Demands Answers on Anthrax
http://www.wvva.com/News/index.php?ID=8840

CAPITOL HILL (AP) -- Thirty-three members of Congress are demanding that the F-B-I provide an update on their investigation of the anthrax attacks that killed two postal workers and shut down the Hart Senate Office Building for several months more than five years ago.

The bipartisan letter is signed by both Democrats and Republicans from the House and Senate.

The F-B-I has been investigating the incident since the first anthrax tainted letters were discovered in October of 2001, but no one has ever been charged. The F-B-I has refused to tell members of Congress about the probe, citing concerns about possible leaks.

Two postal workers died and several more were exposed to anthrax, including a Stafford County man who became very ill.

The Brentwood postal service distribution center was closed for 26 months while crews did decontamination work that cost 130 (m) million dollars.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:04 PM
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24. Hey, this should have its own thread.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:05 PM
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25. okey doke
:hi:
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:08 PM
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26. Thank you.
:hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:20 PM
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27. "I have been very surprised the FBI has not made more progress," Feinstein said.
November 6, 2001

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/11/06/anthrax.senate/index.html



I wonder what the word for it is now, five years later Mrs. Feinstein?
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:30 PM
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28. Who can possibly doubt MIHOP re 9/11??? nt
nt
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 03:27 PM
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32. Just one look at the collapse of non-plane-struck WTC 7 should settle it


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:17 PM
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38. Yes, amazing how many people don't know about WTC7. But then,
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 04:18 PM by Nothing Without Hope
it wasn't covered by the 9/11 Commission Report. I wonder how much evidence still exists and whether the truth can be found if active suppression is eased.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:32 PM
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51. And remember there was an elderly woman
who lived up in New England that died as well...she was in NH, VT, or was it CT....remember? I thought that was so damn odd. And that photo-journalist who worked for American Media in southern Florida...he died, too.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:14 AM
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58. the photographer
just so happened to be the same one who embarrassed the Bush cartel by taking pictures of the drunken twins on the dance floor. I think he was the first victim.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:43 PM
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29. K and R n/t
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:43 PM
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30. Proud to be the 40th recommend!
Perhaps we should consider writing to Congressman Waxman and request that he add this to the long and growing list of BFEE crimes to investigate. Bowman, along with his 9/11 FBI "Spike" compadre Dave Frasca, are both traitors running a false flag op. Is it just a "coincidence" that Cheney ordered his staff to start taking Cipro on the evening of September 11?

:hi:
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 03:42 PM
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33. Every crime investigation looks at opportunity and motive.
Nobody in the media has ever covered these fundamentals of detective work with regards to the anthrax attacks. If they did, the fingers would be pointing to somebody close to the Bush administration if not a part of it. Somebody who had opportunity to acquire weapons-grade access. Somebody who was skilled in assassination. Somebody with an intelligence background. Somebody who had an axe to grind and something to gain.

Think about it. Leahy and Daschle were going to get the love letters because one was against the Patriot Act and the other was the accidental Senate Majority Leader, respectively. Everybody else who got the love letters were just gravy to the fear-mongers, but they "deserved" the missives... if you were mailing the anthrax.

• Dan Rather: Ambushed Bush 41 in a live interview on TV in 1988 regarding his ties to Iran/Contra
• Tom Brokaw: Big man in the Sierra Club
• Peter Jennings: Dated Hanan Ashrawi, female spokesperson of Palestinians
• New York Post: Although a Murdoch paper, it first exposed Bush 41's affair with Jennifer Fitzgerald and publicly named her
• National Enquirer: Posted pictures of the Bush twins drunk while underage

Go ahead, say I have a tinfoil hat. But who else has such opportunity and motive that isn't tied to the Bush family?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 03:43 PM
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34. K&R!! Bowman obstructed FBI agent Colleen Rowley
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 03:51 PM by happydreams
from pursuing Moussasoui. Rowley was the FBI agent who exposed the Bush admins complacency in the lead up to 9/11 and presented her case to Congress. Rowley was also one of three of Time Magazine's "Women of the Year" for 2002. I wish I had access to my files but I'm on a library computer.

Here's a link to Rowley's letter to Mueller:

....To get to the point, I have deep concerns that a delicate and subtle shading/skewing of facts by you and others at the highest levels of FBI management has occurred and is occurring. The term "cover up" would be too strong a characterization which is why I am attempting to carefully (and perhaps over laboriously) choose my words here. I base my concerns on my relatively small, peripheral but unique role in the Moussaoui investigation in the Minneapolis Division prior to, during and after September 11th and my analysis of the comments I have heard both inside the FBI (originating, I believe, from you and other high levels of management) as well as your Congressional testimony and public comments....



http://www.apfn.org/APFN/WTC_whistleblower1.htm

SLAD you are a muckraker extraordinaire. :hi:


On edit: Bowman obstructed Rowley, didn't have her shitcanned.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 03:51 PM
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35. I just watched the latest "Dan Rather Reports" on HD Net....
it covered the growing problem of narco-terrorism in Nuevo Laredo, just on the other side of the Mexican border with Laredo, Texas. It discussed how gruesome murders were an almost daily occurence in the drug turf wars, and how the Chief of Police and Editorial Director of the local newspaper had been murdered to set examples. The local newspaper no longer reports any of the ongoing violence and the police are now intimidated by an enemy that has more powerful weapons.

Unless something is done soon, I see the same process slowly happening in our own government and media, where the mafia criminals are taking control.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 03:54 PM
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36. 45th recommend!
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 04:04 PM by wildbilln864
Glad to see this posted in GD! Now why would we believe the government was responsible for the anthrax letters and not consider the idea that they're also responsible for the "Shock & Awe" that was Sep. 11th? The thing that was mentioned by PNAC as a "new Pearl Harbor event" in their document "rebuilding America's Defenses". They're in charge now! The basis for every illegal, immoral policy implemented since it happened!
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:05 PM
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37. oops! forgot ...
Here's their link!
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:39 PM
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39. kick...
again!
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 05:02 PM
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40. Professors like Dr. Boyle are rarely wrong about, well, ANYTHING.
Coming from a distinguished scholar with a vita as impressive as his (link below), this is a very serious and perhaps even grave charge this administration now has to face.

This nation owes Dr. Boyle a debt of gratitude for speaking up. His remarks should be front-page news in each and every newspaper in the U.S. Big thanks also to seemslikeadream for calling this story to our attention here at DU; it deserves 200+ recommendations.

See: http://www.law.uiuc.edu/faculty/documents/vitae/boyle.pdf
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 05:10 PM
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41. So I can finally put my tin foil hat away?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 05:16 PM
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42. Jerome M. Hauer in August 2001 arranged a new job for John O'Neill
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3389867#3401493

from bobthedrummer

48. It gets really interesting when you examine who was promoting Cipro use
immediately after 9/11 but well before any hint that there was an anthrax (specifically anthrax-that's what Cipro is for) or any other biological threat.

The mainmen on this were HHS Sect. Tommy Thompson and the fellow he had just hired from SAIC (on 9-10-2001!) JEROME HAUER.

Last I heard, Mr. Hauer was in charge of public bio-defense efforts.


At a minimum 9/11 was LIHOP. Why no arrests in the ANTHRAX attacks against media and Democrats that also killed and harmed a lot of innocent US Postal Service employees?????

Tommy Thompson stood around boasting of his negotiating skills with the former I.G. Farben company, BAYER, for 300 million doses of Cipro while US Postal Service employees were working in anthrax HOT ZONE's.

I'm just getting started about this as I live in Wisconsin and suffered under Tommy Thompson for many years. One of his real pals is Charles Murray, the American eugenicist that co-authored "The Bell Curve" and was hired by Tommy Thompson to help draft the Wisconsin Works/W2 welfare reform bill that has since been adopted as the Federal model for welfare reform.

These bastards cannot keep getting away with murder, they have names.
Keep naming them brother!

..............................


Posted by Octafish

Anthrax investigation still active. Why no mention of White House Cipro?

Strange that the White House volk were prescribed the antibiotic Cipro on 9-11, before the Anthrax attacks. Not that there's anything wrong with preventive medicine. Treason's another matter.

Anthrax investigation still ‘active’

FBI has not solved 2001 postal attacks.

Published Saturday, March 19, 2005

WASHINGTON (AP) - The anthrax false alarm this week served as a reminder that federal authorities still haven’t caught whoever was responsible for the all-too-real attacks in 2001 that left five people dead.

No arrests have been made, and no charges filed in the case the FBI has dubbed Amerithrax. Attorneys and scientists who have followed the investigation - and at times been touched by it - say they see no evidence of recent activity.

Debra Weierman, spokeswoman for the FBI’s Washington field office, disputed that. She said 30 FBI agents and 15 postal inspectors are assigned to the anthrax investigation, and more than 5,000 grand jury subpoenas have been issued.

"The investigation remains intensely active," Weierman said.

Steven Hatfill, the one person identified by former Attorney General John Ashcroft as a "person of interest" in the case, has filed suit against Ashcroft and the government, asserting they ruined his reputation. Hatfill has repeatedly said he had nothing to do with the anthrax-tainted letters that scared a jittery nation a month after the Sept. 11 attacks.

CONTINUED...

http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Mar/20050319News016.asp


White House began giving CIPRO to White House Aids on Sept 11

Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:50:59 -0400

White House Mail Machine Has Anthrax

By Sandra Sobieraj
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, Oct. 23, 2001; 8:11 p.m. EDT

WASHINGTON –– President Bush said confidently Tuesday that "I don't have anthrax" after biohazard testing at the White House and the discovery of anthrax on a mail-opening machine at a screening facility six miles away.

All White House mail – more than 40,000 letters a week – is examined at military facilities across the Potomac River.

"Let me put it this way," Bush said. "I'm confident that when I come to work tomorrow, I'll be safe."

Asked if he was tested for the germ that has killed three people already this month, or if he was taking precautionary antibiotics, Bush replied simply: "I don't have anthrax."

At least some White House personnel were given Cipro six weeks ago. White House officials won't discuss who might be receiving the anthrax-treating antibiotic now.

CONTINUED CACHE SOURCE...

http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/ip-health/2001-October/002225.html

Speaking of treason, what's up with the Secret Team biowarfare fart from Phoenix?


.................................




Jerome M. Hauer
Assistant Vice President, Science Applications International Corporation
Associate Director, Center for Counterterrorism Technology & Analysis

Jerome M. Hauer, one of the nation's leading experts on biological and chemical terrorism, recently left his post as Director of New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) to join Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC). Hauer, who served four years as the City's first OEM Director, will be SAIC's Assistant Vice President and Associate Director of Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.

During his tenure at OEM, Hauer was charged by the Mayor with coordinating the City's on-scene response to multi-agency emergencies. He was also given the responsibility of drafting the City's emergency response plans to natural and man-made events, including hurricanes and coastal flooding, as well as biological or chemical attacks.

Hauer has a Masters degree from the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health and over 20 years of experience in emergency management. He was recently selected to be one of six scientists to brief President Clinton on biological terrorism and has been asked by the World Health Organization to co-author a rewrite of its 1970 monograph on chemical and biological weapons. Hauer consults regularly with Scotland Yard and the Israeli military, and worked extensively with the Australian Government in its preparations for the 2000 Summer Olympics.

Hauer has served on the National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine's Committee to Evaluate R&D Needs for Improved Civilian Medical Response to Chemical or Biological Terrorism Incidents, and is an advisor the United States Capitol Police and the United States Marine Corps' Chemical-Biological Incident Response Force (C-BIRF). Hauer is also a member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, and is an advisor to the Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs.
more
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

The former director of New York’s Office of Emergency Management on what’s being done at ‘Ground Zero’Newsweek Web ExclusiveSept. 14 - Following the 1993 terrorist attack at the World Trade Center, Jerome M. Hauer was named the first-ever director and commissioner of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM) for the City of New York. The office was designated as the center that would coordinate all agencies in times of crisis, and create its systems and protocols.

THE OEM DIRECTS the city’s overall emergency-response planning, as well as specialized planning for response to chemical, biological and nuclear-related incidents. Hauer also directed the design and implementation of New York City’s state-of-the-art Emergency Operations Center situated on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center, a bunker that went unused in the Tuesday’s explosions because of its proximity to the disaster (WTC 7 collapsed later that day).
more
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069634 /


Terror: Who is Jerome "Jerry" Hauer?

Jerome Hauer, Human Health Institute, is the man who put John O'Neill at the WTC and tipped the White House off to Cipro.
Very interesting stuff.....

"Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack."
Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_investigators_100101bioterror.html


In May 2002, Jerome Hauer became director of the federal Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP), succeeding Dr. D. A. Henderson from Johns Hopkins Institute.

Why is Jerome Hauer not making national news yet?

He's becoming famous on the Internet. Not only for Republicans, who appreciate his long fight against bioterrorism, which he started three to four years ago.

Hauer is also controversial among those who are able to connect the dots between his person and shady business deals in biopharmacy since 1998.

More interesting, he seems to have had prior knowledge about both so called terrorist-attacks: September 11th and Anthrax.

But many private investigators claim since months, he let the attacks happen on purpose to continue his career.

Is Hauer LIHOP suspect No.1?

He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/living/health/302050 ...

The watchdog group JudicialWatch decided to file a lawsuit against the NIH, but also against the FBI, CDC and the White House, for the same reason: Prior Knowledge.

It is not known how long Hauer worked at the NIH before Sept. 11, but we can confirm that he was working on Sept. 10.
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

But things get really interesting when we consider that Jerome Hauer was also the man who in August 2001 arranged a new job for John O'Neill - the resigning chief of the FBI Terror Task Force - as head of security at the World Trade Center.

How did Hauer know that the Twin Towers would be so important?

We would like to ask John O' Neill, but there is one problem: O'Neill died in the towers on September 11th, one day after he started his job officially, according to the New Yorker.

Disturbingly, O'Neill has never been received the same hero status in the mass media as has been accorded to the fallen New York firefighters and police officers. His death has gone without the same fanfare. For 11 months his story went untold, with two big exceptions.

The two French intelligence specialists Brisard and Dasquie (see: http://intelligenceonline.fr ) published an interview with O'Neill taken before his death in their book, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth." And articles on O'Neill were also published in the New Yorker and New York Magazine. Last week, TIME magazine also tried to remember him, but left out the most important angles.

This should change immediately.

There is obviously a lot which has been hidden from us, but for what reason?

This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA.

Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received also a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001.

http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html - (Hauer)
http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/455218p-3643441c ... - (Hatfill)

But first, more about Hauer:

In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film andTV Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986.

In the early 1990s, Hauer got his first contacts to military and biodefense.

Hauer received a master's degree in emergency medical services from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. Then he became member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, where he wrote various articles about a possible bioterrorist attack.
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York.

In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The CFR is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad.

CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others.

On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge"
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102

Hatfill was at that time also Senior Research Associate at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (=USAMRIID)

Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the official security and bodyguard company for all American presidents since World War II!

With Hauer's many sources of insider information (e.g. Kroll/President bodyguards) , it makes sense that he also knew about the CIA briefing for George Bush on August 6, 2001, about warnings of an imminent terrorist "attack with planes."

Hauer is still trying to save the world.

On November 6th, 2001 he participated in the "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" at the CFR. Participants there included James J. Zogby (President of the Arab American Institute and Central Asian Enterprise Fund), Newton L. Gingrich (Chief Executive Officer, The Gingrich Group), Harold Brown (former secretary of defense and counselor at CSIS: the Center for Strategic and International Studies), Henry A. Kissinger (Senior Fellow in National Security and European Affairs), Richard C. Holbrooke (Counselor, CFR and Vice Chairman of Perseus, LLC) and Philip A. Odeen (Executive Vice President, Washington Operations of TRW, Inc. and CEO of Reynolds + Reynolds, Dayton).

Their agenda, eight weeks after the attack of Sept. 11, was strange indeed:
http://www.cfr.org/Public/publications/PubDiplom_TF.htm ...

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 05:19 PM
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43. excellent posts seemslikeadream...
Thank you thank you!
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 05:38 PM
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44. Oh hell no...
he must be some tinfoil hat, looney, nutcase conspiracy theorist! :sarcasm:

Where's the usual suspects?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 06:04 PM
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45. America was attacked twice
When you think about it. Once on 9-11 and then second with the Anthrax attacks.

Nobody mentions the second attack. Nobody reports on it. Nobody seems to be investigating it. It's like it never happened. I know this point has been pointed out before. It just still amazes me.

Isn't the act of distributing biological weapons through the mail, the very definition of terrorism? What happened to the War on that?
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 06:07 PM
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46. Oh no, you are wrong!
The prrof that Bush is a war president is the fact that we haven't been attacked since 911! Dom't pee on their cornflakes!

Just kidding!
You are absolutely correct, blogslut.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:10 AM
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60. I believe America was attacked a third time
how about the DC snipers? Hasn't anyone suspected that particular incident? because I sure have....Take the time to read about Operation Northwoods....these very situations(9/11/anthrax/snipers) were described in that proposition...and then remember, if you frighten people enough, they will allow you to do anything to keep them safe...including taking away their freedom/liberty...then look at what's happened since ...the laws passed, the assault on the constitution, signing statements, stolen elections, and on and on...
windbreeze
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 06:28 PM
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47. Dems were debating the Patriot Act in Congress, remember?
IIRC Rep. Kucinich wrote his Prayer for America after the vote on the Patriot Act was interrupted by the anthrax attacks...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/02.23C.Kucinich.Prayer.htm
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:52 AM
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61. didn't Conyers state, that
the Patriot Act was passed so quickly that most of them hadn't even had time to read it? and wasn't it voted on, in the middle of the night, only a couple weeks past 9/11???? Don't I recall a video being posted here on DU of Conyers talking about this??..I was outraged to think it hadn't even been read or properly/thoroughly considered before being voted upon and becoming law...
windbreeze
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:52 PM
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49. senior FBI official Marion "Spike" Bowman
If this FBI person won't answer, truthfully, the questions about to be put to him by a Democratic committee, I say WATERBOARD the SOB!
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:04 PM
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50. k/r
nice work SLAD.

i nearly drove myself insane trying to follow the shenanigans of stephen hatfill
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:14 PM
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53. Nice bit of research.
I have been MIHOP on the events of 9-11 for a while now, but I was unaware that there was also a good case for MIHOP on the anthrax attacks. You have made a good case here.

K&R

:dem:

-Laelth
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:21 PM
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54. My first hunch was Kelly...
it still is despite the reasoned arguments of peace patriot because I could never buy the initiating assumption that Kelly was a scapegoat. There's no evidence and an initiating assumption without evidence colours all the following logic. (it's like the hrt assumption that was way wrong).

It's not just Porter Downs...there are underlying relationships that make me think this.

Anyway, I don't know and never will and even if some new answer was promoted (not demonstrated), I'd probably doubt it.

Anymore, I just hope for justice being served and I champion anyone who might pursue the investigation in that spirit wheather it supports my ideas or not.

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:27 PM
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55. kicked
again!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 12:15 AM
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56. kicked again n/t
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:09 PM
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63. kicked...
again!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:21 PM
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64. Hey, it is Cheney's FBI so what do you expect?
I expect a bunch of criminal cases against federal officers, in high positions. These crimes against America must no go unpunished. To not punish is to admit that we no longer have a democratic process and that key personal in the FBI WILLFULLY added and abetted known terrorists.

What a pathetic organization the FBI has become.

Hear that Agent Mike?

Fix the fucking problem already.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:25 PM
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65. I agree 100%!
I can hardly wait til the investigations begin!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 04:55 AM
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66. Wow, what will the "coincidence theorists" say about this one.
If there was ever a reason to throw open the gates and examine what's inside the stinking corral of the * administration, this is it. It has Operation Northwoods written all over it and much much more.

But if we investigate, it might, well golly gee, it might just show a CONSPIRACY ON THE PART OF THIS GOVERNMENT TO DESTABILIZE THE NATION AND SEEK UNPRECEDENTED CONTROL AS A RESULT.

But then we'd be "conspiracy theorists" and that would NOT be a good thing. It would be very bad.
Why, it might mean that there was a conspiracy to MURDER Kennedy, King and Kennedy...and much more.

Oh please stop posting the truth. It hurst so much. And it's the commercial shopping festival.
Have you no sense of proportion.

:sarcasm: as if you couldn't guess;)
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