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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:19 AM
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I want to thank my Fellow DU'ers - & talk about 'mental prisons' & an experiment
Hi all. I have not posted much of late, but wanted you to all know I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all you have done for me. My wife and I cried together last night in awe of the love we have seen here.

I have a proper thread in mind to thank you all, this isn't it :) but I was reading DU this morning and as usual all you all got me to thinking about something, and that led to insight, to learning, and I wanted to share it with other so people might better understand a few things.

Seen more then a few threads where prison was mentioned, or jail, what have you - I have been reading DU for some time and the posts have run the gamut: "I hope X suffers in Prison", "Life term is better, they will suffer more", "Our prisons are akin to torture", "too many people in prison", "I hope someone becomes someone else's toy in prison" - and well, you get the idea.

We have a lot of varying opinions on the whole thing, but I think there is something we come together somewhat on deeper in to it all. (please bear with me as I have slept but a few hours in many days)


I chose this topic (jail) as I used to work in one, and it seems a fitting analogy. I use myself here as I know me better then others :)

I have been in my own mental prison for years. A lot of years. One where torture was routine, but then so was joy oddly enough. It is like the Stockholm syndrome where you become sympathetic to your own self in some strange way. You hold your joy hostage to your pain, your hope to your fears.

In some ways, we want ourselves to suffer for the things we have done wrong. In other ways we want compassion and guidance over punishment. We seek forgiveness for our own perceived sins against ourselves and others, beg for leniency, and yet another part of us calls for a long sentence. It is a completely contained system of justice within ourselves. We are prosecutor and defense attorney at the same time.

Part of this is just normal really, we all do something like this to some small extent. It becomes, IMHO, a mental illness (like with me) when somewhere deep inside it goes too far. Some want to mete out the death penalty (suicide) while others just want to see themselves suffer in a small mental cell. They don't really WANT that for anyone, but a sense of justice takes over and convinces you that someone needs to suffer painfully for the things they did - and when you are looking at your own life, you choose yourself.

I was a damned good prosecutor of myself. And now, I am working on being a defender. With the Love I have seen here on DU, I am finally seeing parole for my soul and mind.

And yet, so many in life will not understand this. "Just quit doing it, tell yourself it's ok and move on, be strong, turn it off, etc and blah blah blah."

So I came up with this experiment for people to examine. Even if you can't try it for yourself, you can easily examine the results.

Make a video of yourself discussing something emotional to you. Then maybe go for a drive and video tape what you see.

Now, get drunker than hell.

Repeat the video. But don't drive of course.

Note your difference of reaction, how you talk, how you cannot drive.

And as yourself - WHY?

Chemical changes. Your brain is not functioning as it normally would. Now imagine having a mental illness where this is on and off no matter if you are drinking or not, IE - it just happens without warning. You ramp up from sober to drunk and back down again without being able to control it.

That is what many go through each day. And yes there is help - but so often there is not always understanding and love.

And that brings me back to our prison threads and criminals.

We often show anger and hatred at the actions of others, and this can be understandable certainly. But deep down in all of us is someone waiting to be loved and forgiven, to have others help lead them from the darkness of a place their mind has created for them. People give up on themselves, then on others, and wander from goodness into a place of dark selfishness and end up doing terrible things to others.

Can we lead them out via bars and suffering in dark cells? Or do we hold for them the same desire to punish them as we have done ourselves - through mental anguish.

I am not excusing the criminal here, but hoping we can glean something into the mind of those who do harm others and hope to lessen it over time - instead of helping to perpetuate it by making them more of what they were to start with. Just because we see the external deeds of someone it does mean we understand the internal issues which led to it, and sometimes I wonder if we want to or if we just want to ignore the issues we cannot see. "I made the right choices, you should have too" does not always work when one person is "mentally drunk" and someone else is not.

I get the Amish people a bit more now.

Maybe we forgive others more when we have learned to forgive ourselves. Maybe when we have walked in the shoes of someone who has been ill we start to understand better and forgive more, and want help instead of hurt and the 'teaching of a lesson'.

I have made poor decisions in my life, I have done things which have hurt others, and some have done the same to me. I don't want a life sentence of pain and derision, anymore than you probably do. Suffering multiplies like rabbits - and the more we wish it on others, the more it grows until it consumes us and we become not so unlike those we want to see suffer.

Forgive yourself. Defend yourself. Note where you were wrong, and apologize and forgive.

I built my own Alcatraz over the years, and I am finally in a raft escaping it. I did a million good things in this life for others, but the few negative things I felt I did gave me a life sentence.

Don't do this to yourself. Solitary confinement you build yourself is hell. You only get to see those you love through the bars you forged - and you won't experience the freedom to love them if you don't break out.

Sorry if this made little sense. I am happy today for once in a really long while, and sleep is little. I have hope again, and I just want to revel in a bit just in case my parole is revoked and I find myself back in that prison I built. But I won't go easy this time - my little girl needs me to fight, and in part thanks to you all and your care I am going to.

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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:23 AM
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1. Very nice The Straight Story
:hug:
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rolfboy Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:34 AM
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2. A hearty K&R
You beat me to the punch! I was formulating my own version of this email when i logged on and read yours.

What prompted my internal musings was Catwoman's post of Tom Delay's blog (currently on DU's Greatest Hits). My response of compassion and sadness toward the rude and IMHO pornographic fake postings to delay's blog was met with, well was not met with compassion.

It got me thinking about impeachment, shadenfreude, and suffering--suffering in the Buddhist sense.

It's true that the current bunch of liars aren't adhering to the Golden Rule, and don't care much else than themselves.

I get why Pelosi and Co. are avoiding impeachment, and i applaud their fortitude. BushCo will hopefully implode on their own karma, but that doesn't mean we need to help them in that direction.

The only other point i would add to your beautiful post is this: after getting drunk, and before watching your video, recite the Heart Sutra, Golden Rule, or other such beautiful and spiritual poem.

thank you for your post, i hope others read and respond as well.
Robert
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:41 AM
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3. Yours is a wonderful post - Thanks for sharing a thought-and may your happy day extend
from now to the end of days.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:50 AM
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4. If it's possible send a boat back for those of us still in our prisons.
Not sure I would have used the same analogy, but, I see myself in your post.

-Hoot
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:08 AM
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6. Boat is on it's way :)
One way out of the prison we have made is it talk about it.

Get it out of it's cell, get it out in the open. I have been open here on DU - and it has been a good therapy. Share your 'case' and let us defend you :)

I am here, pro-bono and ready to roll for my friends here ;)

Get it off your chest, grab an oar, and let's roll the boat ashore together.

What you did is not as important as what you can do and want to do. Toss out the trash of the past and make today your first day (kind of reminds me of the whole idea of being born again).

The chemical changes can't change through mere thought and discussion - but discussion can help, and you and I and folks like us need all the help we can get!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:02 AM
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12. Born again...
One Day at a Time.

Just Do It.

All are analogies for leaving the past in the past, well maybe not Just Do It ;) Hard to do when there are mental forces inducing emotional paralysis which translates to an actual obstical. Harder to discus in a public forum as my typing isn't quite up to telling my entire story, which at 45 years is pretty long.

It's enough for now to know you're there ready to listen.

-Hoot
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TAPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:01 AM
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5. K&R
my friend :)

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TakesAVillage_People Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:13 AM
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7. Good Morning To Ya
We're here for you SS and your family. :kick:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:18 AM
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8. I was wondering about your name :)
Is it a play on the Village people or simply on the idea of it takes a village ;)

So does it take one of the Village People or does it take 'A Village, People'? ROFL

Ahhh early morning and I am sleep deprived happy....

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TakesAVillage_People Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:27 AM
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9. It's a little bit...
of both. I found this user name to be most appropriate given the situation I found myself entering DU.

Besides, don't tell anyone the S&M dude on Village People use to be my alter ego. :rofl:

I am quite sure all the intellegent and witty people on DU will get it.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:16 AM
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18. Welcome to DU!
:hi:

BTW - Straight Story, wonderful OP. I'm glad you're feeling more upbeat. You certainly deserve it.

:thumbsup:
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TakesAVillage_People Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:43 AM
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20. Thanks A Bunch
...as well as thank you for your support, and ongoing participation for the greater good. :toast:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:36 AM
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10. Punishment never rights the wrong. - n/t
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mondo obscurius Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 09:58 AM
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11. so be it
k&R
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:03 AM
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13. a beautiful truth, shared by
a beautiful mind- so poignantly-

If we all could learn to be the kind of friend/Mum/Dad to ourselves, to that yearning, wounded, seeking spirit that is "us"- then we would have so much more to be able to offer others, and far less need-

I found this truth myself Straight Story- through my youngest child. He awakened in me, a connection with the innocent, vulnerable, helpless beings that each one of us start out life as- Beings who are shaped, twisted, held, and far to often broken and shut down or closed off not so much intentionally as carelessly- or because 'life gets in the way'.

The realization that given a clear, sober, and healthy choice, no one would consciously choose to BE- George W. Bush, the emperor king wanna-be, who hides his self contempt, shame, worthlessness and fear behind a facade of being so cocky, arrogant, and blithely aloof.

It IS time for that 'kinder-gentler world'- If people crush us in our attempt to stay true to what we know to be the path towards Peace and Freedom for all, that doesn't make the goal any less precious- nor does it give us each license to act in ways we have come to agree are toxic, because 'they' did it 'to us' first.

Your post made perfect sense. And I believe you have seen the light of truth, wisdom and hope. As long as that light exists there is hope for us all. And even when life crowds in and seems to blanket you with darkness, as it probably will- remember the flame is still burning, and there is a way through to brighter days, warmth and welcome- for each and every one of us-

We ALL need each other-(often when it is the hardest to 'be' with, or near us) Every single one of us is a precious piece of the whole-

We have to remind ourselves of this truth- and listen when others speak it to us.

Thank you for your gift of wisdom, and hope in this weary world- I'm so grateful to be a part of this community of persistent sojourners and kindred spirits

blu
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TakesAVillage_People Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:28 AM
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14. Here Here
:)
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evolved Anarchopunk Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:31 AM
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15. Great post
On December 7th I printed out your post on personal Pearl Harbor's, along with several of the most amazing replies (Laurab, BoneDaddy, greyhound1966, and motocicleta's among them) and handed it to my girl on the way out the door to work. When I got home she was in a much better mood, as was I. A later epiphany cleared it all up for me: although reading it all was initially very very sobering, at length we each came to appreciate our existence together- separately.
That night, all I wanted to do was see her again while I was at work, and all she wanted to do was see me again come home. Thank you for that. And thank you for everyone who opens up on the "internets" like people who want to should.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:35 AM
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19. That really means a lot to me, thank you
made my morning.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:41 AM
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16. Oh bless your heart!!
You've got it. Life will always be full of ups and downs, especially with your wife's illness, but as long as you free yourself to find hope and joy in the little things, you're going to be just fine. At 50 years old, I can guarantee you there isn't any greater joy than having your family together. So don't worry about the rest, those that judge you otherwise just don't get it anyway.

:hug:

Merry Christmas!
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TakesAVillage_People Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:11 AM
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17. Yay!
:kick:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:53 AM
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21. I'll tell you, TSS
The world seems a little better and a little brighter seeing a new post from you today. A typically thoughtful and heartfelt post.

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:53 PM
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22. And I'll tell you:
It feels good to live again, stress fading away, and holding my little girl. Just snuggling her on the couch is the most amazing thing - seeing her smile while I rub her belly as we watch our cartoons. There is nothing better in life then love.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:39 PM
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23. Have you heard of Radical Forgiveness?
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 02:40 PM by lildreamer316
Great site, great exercises.

http://www.radicalforgiveness.com/home.asp
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 06:27 PM
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26. Thank you for that link!
Bookmarked :)
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 02:58 PM
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24. I THANK WHATEVER IS DIVINE FOR YOUR SUFFERING STRAIGHT STORY...
Your writing was strong before but recent trials, appears to gift you with a depth and philosophical approach that few writers ever come close to attaining. Mark Twain said, "You are not a writer, until someone else calls you one." Today, I call you not only a writer but also one of the best at DU. Pain offers its own privilege. Suffering provides depth. Only those who taste the darkness of tyranny will ever appreciate the heights of real freedom. You now have wings, please continue to use them, my friend. K&R for the best OP at DU today and perhaps the best OP, I will ever read here.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 02:25 AM
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31. M'F'n WOW.
...and thank YOU, Jefferson's Ghost.
Indeed, you are right.
Just wanted to say that.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:56 PM
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25. B R A V O S I R ! ! ! !
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 04:57 PM by baby_mouse

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The best thread I have read on DU THIS YEAR!!!!
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 06:47 PM
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27. Can't change the past-Can't control the future
All you can do is go with the flow... Love yourself and love others as you would yourself... You are worth it and you count.. Each one of us have touched the hearts of others.. You have touched mine...:grouphug:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 07:04 PM
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28. Well Damnit....
You summed it up in a title and I had to ramble on aimlessly to say the same thing ;)
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:54 AM
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29. Thank you!!!
A website that I just found that I think relates to this topic quite well:

www.radicalforgiveness.com


"Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent." --- Eleanor Roosevelt
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 02:01 AM
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30. Love Ya Bro!
That's all I gotta say. Awesome post.

:yourock:
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