OH CRAP! Breaking on CNN, Saudi's may officially support Sunni insurgents...

[originalpckelly]

if America pulls out of Iraq!!!!

BREAKING! I'd say that you should probably go get gas, because it may jump in the next few weeks.

[Mojambo]

1. Interesting. One wonders if this was why Cheney made that little visit. n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. that's what CNN is saying

or at least, they told him then.

Funny that it wasn't shrub who was told, but cheney.

[SeattleGirl]

10. The Saudi's obviously know who is the puppet, and who is the

puppetmaster.

[soothsayer]

67. Did they tell him, or vice versa?

[SeattleGirl]

2. I'm watching.

Shit.

[wtmusic]

3. Is this what they meant by a "greater conflagration"?

God Damn George W. Bush.

[originalpckelly]

9. It is indeed what ISG meant by it...

and it basically means oil is about to skyrocket and America is about to go into an economic depression.

[Kelly Rupert]

4. Of course they will.

The one thing they most fear is a Shi'a Crescent from Tehran to Beirut.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Saudi Arabia v. Iran, eh?

If you'll excuse me, I'm off to the gas station.

[wtmusic]

7. LOL exactly

you might be too late.

[originalpckelly]

12. You might want think about stocking up on things you might need to survive...

another great depression. If oil skyrockets, we're fucked.

[Mojambo]

15. Feels a bit like World War 3 is brewing.

Finally!

[Junkdrawer]

32. More like US/Britain(Saudi Arabia ((Sunnis)) v. China/Russia(Iran((Shia)))...

Your basic double proxy war...

[originalpckelly]

39. Yep. I'd say so because the Chinese and Russians having...

been fucking us at the UN.

[DrDebug]

62. Tripple proxy war. Don't forget Turkey and Kurdistan

WWIII scenario:

Turki's job will be al-Zarqawi and he'll start pouring billions into the Sunni cause.
Iran will start arming the Shia.
The American and British troops are caught between Iraq and a hard place with the Green Zone becoming Dubya's bunker.
Since the Kurds were not included yet, they'll grasp the opportunity to call for their Free Kurdistan which will trigger Turkey to invade.

Oil will go up, however the price of an AK-47 will go down because of popular demand...

Nice mess indeed...

[Wiley50]

66. Turkey and Israel Have A Mutual Defense Treaty n/t

[JohnLocke]

6. Will the Saudis and the Iranians destroy each other?

[burythehatchet]

21. perhaps...but more likely

Sunni and Shia (Saudi and Iran) will set aside differences in order to fight the US and Israel.

[originalpckelly]

27. If I were to guess, this looks like Saudi Arabia is planning on a war...

with the Iranians over control of Iraq.

[burythehatchet]

47. there's very little planning on the part of the Saudis

common Saudi's want nothing more than to take the royal family down. The house of Saud has no choice in the matter. If they don't come to the aid of Iraqi Sunnis, they will be slaugtered.

[Selatius]

11. This is like a repeat of World War I, except it's taking place in the Middle East.

All these interlocking alliances will lock each one of them into a war.

[wtmusic]

13. They better hurry up and hang Saddam

before he becomes a President again.

[deadparrot]

14. Fuck George Bush and the shit he started.

:grr:

[uppityperson]

16. for quick reference, a map here.

green Sunni, blue Shia

[malaise]

65. Couldn't say it better n/t

[TahitiNut]

17. Wahabbism strikes again.

:eyes:

[wtmusic]

19. I don't get it.

Is this political or religious or both? I wasn't aware the Wahabbis were in bed with the Sunnis.

[JohnLocke]

23. Wahabbism is Sunni extremism...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafism

[wtmusic]

28. thanks. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Maybe not...

but they're not fans of the Shia.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

26. If I recall correctly... Wahabi is an extreme Sunni sect

somebody correct me if I've got it wrong.

I have enough trouble figuring out the difference between Lutherans and Protestants and Baptists, etc. :shrug:

[TahitiNut]

33. The al-Saud dynasty was rooted in Wahhabism ...

... which is closer to Sunni than Shia ... all of the latter (and much of the former) they regard as heretical. Wahhabism is extremely orthodox Islam.

[majorjohn]

51. Actually they're very Anti-Islamic without knowing it n/t

[BattyDem]

18. Coming in 2007 ...

World War III :nuke:

Nice goin', Pissypants! :grr:

[burythehatchet]

20. ...precisely why I posted this thread some time ago

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2845533

[BattyDem]

35. You nailed it!

:toast:

[burythehatchet]

41. now with the 4 bucks in my pocket I can get a latte at charbucks

:)

[BattyDem]

46. Skip the latte ... put the 4 bucks towards filling the tank

Something tells me it's going to be at least 5 bucks a gallon by Friday! :-(

[uppityperson]

22. Does this mean USA has to stay now?

[originalpckelly]

25. I don't know what the fuck it means...

if we stay, it's going to fall apart anyway, but I suppose it gives us time to prepare for the world war to come when if finally does fall apart.

[BattyDem]

30. If we do, it'll look like Junior allowed the US to be blackmailed

That won't play well with the "Republicans are the only ones who can protect us" crowd.

[lonestarnot]

29. This is why Dick made the visit this last month.

[snowbear]

42. I think you're right...

We we're both typing the same thought at the same time..

[lonestarnot]

54. What a cute little

:pals:

[johnfunk]

31. And the Saudi ambassador to the US, Prince Turki, suddenly resigned today...

Story here. Looks to me like there's another Middle East Civil War on -- this one within the House of Saud.

[snowbear]

34. Remember.. Dick Cheney was just over in Saudi Arabia..

Must've worked out some sort of a deal..

[SeattleGirl]

36. For whose benefit? Certainly not mine or yours, or any of the

citizens of the Middle East.

God, but I hate these fuckers (Bush and Cheney). :nuke:

[brook]

50. Fuck him

and fuck Bush.

I think I've reached the saturation point. Somebody's got to tell them the Hague awaits.

[burythehatchet]

60. only with a rabid badger

[Poll_Blind]

37. Color-coded map of Iraq showing Sunni, Shia, Kurd areas:

From Globalsecurity:



PB

[uppityperson]

40. and another map showing continents divisions

[Poll_Blind]

45. Oh cool! Interesting, thanks for posting that. n/t

PB

[majorjohn]

48. Poor Shia

They're massively outnumbered!

[BattyDem]

53. From the looks of that map, it will be a massacre ...

unless they get outside help - in which case, it will be WW3. Either way, the world is screwed and thousands will die ... courtesy of George W. Bush! :grr:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

57. Well, yeah...

but I'm pretty sure Indonesia's not going to be invading Iran any time soon.

Well, on second thought...

[GreenZoneLT]

63. The Shia outnumber the Sunnis 2-1

That map is geography, not demography. Most of the Sunni area (the whole southwest quadrant outside the irrigated Euphrates valley is sparsely inhabited desert.

The Sunnis do have an advantage, in that they made up the elite of the former Iraqi Army.

[uppityperson]

68. In Iraq 2:1,

Iran, Bahrain, Lebanon, Azerbaijan all seem to have Shia majorities. World demographics show many more Sunni than Shia (though figures are inaccurate they still show a majority Sunni by far) and Arabia's # far outweigh Iraqi Shia though what that means for this go 'round is still up in the air.

[Octafish]

38. Catastrophe just morphed into Calamity.

Conspiracy and Chaos came first.

Next is Mel Gibson phase.

[majorjohn]

43. I think Saudi is to be blamed for the whole Wahhabism crap n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. You know, I was going to say this won't be that bad...

but then I remembered who was in the WH. So yeah, we're boned.

[spanone]

49. This is why Cheney was summoned to Saudi Arabia?

So, now our soldiers will be fighting for Saudi Arabia. Oh, Mr. Bandar will be so proud of his adopted son.

[Fleshdancer]

52. Does this mean anything: Saudi ambassador to US resigns

More Saudi breaking news? After only 15 months on the job, Prince Turki al-Faisal has resigned to "spend more time with his family"

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2006-12-12T194436Z_01_N12307780_RTRUKOC_0_US-USA-SAUDI-AMBASSADOR.xml&WTmodLoc=Home-C5-politicsNews-3

So...is this just a coincidence or is something about to happen? :shrug:

[Cleita]

55. A fine mess isn't this?

Are there no honest Republicans left who are going to demand that the unelected fraud and his minions step aside so the real statesmen, experienced military commanders and educated diplomats can step in and try to mediate this.

[BattyDem]

58. It's a good thing Bush** hasn't gotten caught getting a BJ ...

otherwise, he'd be facing impeachment! :eyes: :grr:

[bicentennial_baby]

56. Thank You USA, for politicizing the split...

Before this f'd up "war", they lived together, side by side, for a brazillion years. Thanks to the US, Britain, et al., for the help in pushing yet another former colony to the brink :eyes:

[lonestarnot]

59. What a bunch of dick bullshit collaboration to keep the war on that

scheming devil dick hashed out with Saudi. Liar shoot 'em in the face dick!

[wtmusic]

61. Nice shot in the arm for the Sunnis

All they have to do is kill enough Americans, and they have a major ally right next door.

Bad to worse.

[lanlady]

64. et tu, Riyadh?

Seems to me that if the Saudis had actively opposed an invasion of Iraq back in 02-03, this whole catastrophe might have been averted. But they colluded and connived with Dubya to see what would come of the invasion of a fellow Arab country, to see what was in it for them. Now the entire world can see what happens when you get your photograph taken holding Bush's hand. Tsk tsk.