Did they try to "Wellstone" Tim Johnson?

[MoonRiver]

I'm just hearing about this, but my tin foil hat is sparking like crazy.

[WI_DEM]

1. No.

[me b zola]

68. And you have proof to back-up your declarative statement?

I don't have the answer to the question, only questions.

[Sequoia]

2. Why him?

[MoonRiver]

3. Why not?

They desperately need to get the majority back. Maybe it was convenient to target Johnson. :tinfoilhat:

[Name removed]

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[WI_DEM]

7. correct

[Hav]

21. .

My thoughts exactly.
Unless the OP is joking but I suppose the subject is too severe.

And while we should accept different sorts of opinions and everyone can do to their reputation what they want, but as a poster one is actually representing this forum and its members as well.

[Imagevision]

5. Too early to tell, after the Russian-spy thing, anything's possible!!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

6. Oh, stuff it. n/t

[cassiepriam]

8. Has he been checked for plutonium??? :(

I wondered if the repugs were going to start
knocking off the dems, one by one.

[originalpckelly]

13. Polonium 210 not Plutonium 239.

:eyes:

One doesn't have a heart attack when poisoned by either. His hair would be falling out right now.

[cassiepriam]

18. I knew I should have paid more attention in chemistry class :(

Whatever the cause, I hope he gets better.

[cassiepriam]

31. BTW they are saying it was NOT a heart attack or stroke....

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2006/12/13/national/w162040S94.DTL

[HughMoran]

9. Half the people who voted are paranoid & insane?

wow, :tinfoilhat:

[cali]

12. Hard to supress

one's contempt for this kind of tinfoilery or tinfoolery, or whatever you want to call it.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

19. I believe the term you are looking for...

...is "unmedicated shithattery."

[hiaasenrocks]

28. Remember what site you're on...

This place is getting wackier by the week, it seems.

[rinsd]

10. Cool another one for the DU greatest pile

Along with the underwater nukes & weather machines.

:eyes:

[asthmaticeog]

11. I'd like to ask the people who voted yes a question.

How did they give him a stroke? Orgone accumulators? Alien lizard hypno-suggestion? Evil Bilderberger nanobots? Lucky decoder rings? Seriously, WTF? Y'all need a boarding pass for the cluetrain post haste.

[GemMom]

20. OK I'm not one of the paranoid ones but....

maybe the same treatments used for hemophiliacs can cause clotting in normal humans?! (Just a WAG, here, folks. :-)

[terrya]

22. My God...2 people have recommended this for the Greatest Page

Time to logout for tonight...

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. They have said he did NOT have a stroke or a heart attack.

They don't know what's wrong with him now.:(

[sofa king]

58. Phenylpropanolamine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylpropanolamine

Best known as the active ingredient in that Somalian drug-of-choice, khat. In combination with who-knows-what, PPA appears to increase the risk of stroke in women. But Senator Johnson is male, and he didn't have a stroke, or so it would appear.

I wonder if he had spicy food this afternoon. Maybe someone slipped him a little hair of the three-headed dog, so to speak.

[longship]

14. How inane?

Jesus-freaking Christ. Not every event is part of a global conspiracy.

Help!!!! The paranoids are after me!!!

Pshaw!!

[terrya]

15. Oh, for fuck's sake

You've GOT to be kidding. :eyes:

[Junkdrawer]

16. I was going to say "No", but the sudden appearance...

of all the "usual suspects" worrying about DU's reputation has me wondering... :tinfoilhat:

Naaa...if "they" wanted to get rid of a Senator, he'd be pushing up daisies. I'll go with "No"...

[bigwillq]

17. Are ya serious?

or should I say SERIES??!?!?!?11111

:shrug:

[onenote]

23. this thread is another reason why DU needs a new forum

for reality-based posters....

[Lurking Dem]

25. LOL!

[Hosnon]

56. No kidding...nt

[FredStembottom]

60. Everybody relax.........

It's a wide-open public place here at DU. Read and enjoy the silly stuff - or don't.

[SidDithers]

24. ...

Sid

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

27. Indeed.

[hiaasenrocks]

26. Oh, good grief. This place never ceases to amaze me.

[Alexander]

29. Thanks for making DU look like a loony bin.

I guess we'll never get any real answers about 9/11 because the legitimate questions and concerns people have about that are just going to be thrown into the same laughable shitheap in which this entire thread belongs.

:grr:

[ContraBass Black]

30. In that case, why don't they give all of the rest of us strokes and be done

With it?

[WinkyDink]

32. No. My reason? He's alive.

[shance]

33. Death is too obvious. They can possibly avoid an investigation

with something as normal as a heart attack or stroke.

[WilliamPitt]

34. No

Jesus...

:eyes:

[Pavulon]

35. You mean IFR approach into an airport

with terrible weather and kill all aboard? Bottom line pilots killed the passengers by not going onto the next airport. Happens to 7 bodies all the time.

tenerife was a setup too

NTSB is pretty clear on all of this. Guess they are part of the fix too.

[Eric J in MN]

43. IFR?

NT

[seriousstan]

36. I think your mind is so open your brain has fallen out.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. This Is One Of The Absolute Looniest Tin-Foil Whacko Questions I've Ever Seen Here.

I'm embarrassed to even see the premise on this site of which I adore.

[Tom Joad]

41. There is so much competition. My Poll: is this the looniest poll of the night?

[nam78_two]

38. No.nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

39. Gimme a freaking break

Life happens. Not everything is politics, thank God.

[11 Bravo]

40. Soak a towel and wrap it around your sparking hat. Or ...

just place your head (with sparking hat attached) in the nearest toilet and flush, because this is Loony Tunes shit.

[walldude]

42. 5 votes for greatest page?

Gimme a fucking break. I was'nt even going to reply to this totally stupid thread but it somehow keeps getting kicked. Please get this off the first page before it ends up on fucking O'Reilly.

[Tom Joad]

46. There should be a way of Unrecommending posts. So the most idiotic don't get on

greatest page.

[Tom Joad]

44. Wellstone died in a plane accident.

NO evidence to suggest otherwise.

sen. Heinz also died in a plane accident. sad things happen.

[petgoat]

62. "NO evidence to suggest otherwise."

Whenever someone makes a blanket statement like that I know they're wrong.

Here's from Dr. David Ray Griffin's review of Dr. James Fetzer's book,
"American Assassination" about the Wellstone plane crash:

The evidence includes several facts suggesting that the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) colluded with the FBI in a cover-up:

1. FBI agents from Minneapolis arrived at the crash site within 2 hours after the crash, even though the trip from Minnesota to Duluth to the crash site would have taken at least 3 hours--so they must have departed before the plane crashed.
2. When asked for the times at which private flights had arrived in Duluth that morning, the FAA said the records had been destroyed.
3. Considerable disinformation about weather conditions was quickly given to the press.
4. Although regulations called for the investigation to be carried out by the NTSB, not the FBI (because the crash site was not designated a crime scene), the FBI agents were there for 8 hours before the NTSB team arrived.
5. The FBI, even though there illegally, prevented the local "first responders" from taking photographs.
6. Although it was the NTSB's responsibility to determine the cause of the crash and although the FBI's prior presence was illegal, the NTSB leader publicly accepted the FBI's declaration, made before the NTSB's investigation, that there was no evidence of terrorism.
7. When the NTSB team finally carried out its own investigation, it was unable to find either the cockpit recorder, which it assumed the plane had had, or the black box.
8. The NTSB held no public hearings, claiming that it was not a sufficiently "high-profile" case.
9. The NTSB's final report concealed the fact of the FBI's participation.
10. The NTSB investigation was headed by Acting Director Carol Carmody, a Bush appointee who had earlier ruled that there was no foul play in the small airplane crash in 2000 that took the life of Governor Mel Carnahan of Missouri, the Democratic candidate for the Senate who was killed 3 weeks before his expected victory (over John Ashcroft).

The evidence also includes some facts strongly suggesting the falsity of the NTSB's official conclusion, which was that the plane crashed because the pilot failed to maintain proper speed, causing the plane to stall.

1. The plane would have stalled only if it slowed to below 70 knots, yet it was equipped with a device that emitted a loud warning at 85 knots.
2. The plane was being flown by two experienced and fully certified pilots, a fact--obfuscated in the NTSB report-that makes this kind of pilot error very unlikely.
3. The NTSB's theory fails to explain why, about two minutes before the crash, all communication was abruptly terminated and the plane began going off course.

The evidence also includes facts suggesting that the plane was instead brought down by an EMP (electromagnetic pulse) weapon:

1. The plane's fuselage burned, although it was separated from the wings, which contained the fuel.
2. The plane's electrical system, which would be affected by an EMP, was in the fuselage, and the fire from the fuselage gave off blue smoke, which is indicative of an electrical fire.
3. An EMP could explain why the plane simultaneously went off course and lost its radio about two minutes before the crash.
4. At the same time, cell phones and garage doors in the area behaved in a way consistent with the occurrence of an EMP.
5. An NTSB spokesman professed ignorance about the existence of EMP weapons that could have brought down the plane, although the existence of such weapons had been known for several years.

An important part of the authors' case is the fact that the Bush administration would have had several motives:

1. Wellstone's defeat would return control of the Senate to the Republicans.
2. Wellstone's death 10 days before the election meant that $700,000 in the Republican campaign chest could be transferred, the very next day, to the (successful) effort to defeat Max Cleland in the Senate race in Georgia.
3. Wellstone was the biggest obstacle in the Senate to several Republican policies, such as those involving Iraq, Colombia, the SEC, tax cuts, and Homeland Security, and he was the strongest voice in Congress calling for a full investigation into 9/11.
4. Two days before his death, Wellstone reported that Cheney had told him: "If you vote against the war in Iraq, the Bush administration will do whatever is necessary to get you."
5. Wellstone had developed a 7-point lead in the polls over Norm Coleman, the Bush administration's hand-picked candidate.

http://www.amazon.com/American-Assassination-Strange-Senator-Wellstone/dp/0975276301

[malaise]

45. Don't know but with this bunch

anything is possible

[Ignacio Upton]

48. Did we kill Paul Coverdell (R-GA) to get another Democratic Senate seat?

Unless you have proof or evidence that Johnson was the victim of a conspiracy (a la Putin, although his case is still alleged) then don't bring this up.

[MoonRiver]

50. I asked the question. I did not say it was a fact.

J.H.C. some people just need to loosen up their bow ties. :eyes:

[Hippo_Tron]

54. If we did, we certainly did a shitty job of it by appointing Zell Miller to replace him

Doesn't do much good if you put another Republican in the seat.

[B Calm]

49. They killed John Kennedy

[alittlelark]

52. And Robert Kennedy, and King, and Malcom...............

[asthmaticeog]

59. And this guy is TOTALLY in that league.

Fucking hell. *shakes head and weeps for the future*

[leftofthedial]

he's a pretty repuke-friendly Democrat, so I doubt it

although someone did report the strong odor of polonium at the scene

[FairVotes4all]

61. Actually hes pretty liberal.

But you can't win a S.D Election as a liberal it seems. :(

[nam78_two]

51. Holy cow! This is now on the greatest page???

:shrug:
urkk...I just kicked it :banghead:
Apologies.

[Renew Deal]

53. This poll should be changed to: "Am I completely fucking insane?"

Yes or No

[GemMom]

55. Does....

"all of the above" count?

[IDemo]

57. Rove got him with a blowgun, I'm sure of it

:eyes: :crazy: :freak:

[Pachamama]

63. This thread makes me sad.....because when I heard the news today about Johnson, I had a sudden

feeling that this was a deliberate attempt on his life - think Victor Litenvenko (sp?) the ex-KGB spy.

Sorry, but that was the very first intuitive thought that crossed my mind. I'm a pretty level headed person and would describe myself as a realist. But, here I have that thought, this doesn't mean that I'm absolutely convinced that its got to be the explanation, but rather that the thought crossed my mind and in reading this thread, people like me are made out to be "nuts".

That's really sad because I think attacking fellow DUers by calling them tin foil hat wearers or crazy isn't fair and it belittles people for sharing their feelings. I'm not saying my immediate feeling was the case, but I think its important for those of us on DU to throw out feelings, thoughts , theories etc. no matter how "crazy" they may sound.

Remember, its by asking those "crazy" questions, that we often get to the truth.... :hi:

[NaturalHigh]

64. Is this a serious question?

First of all, I don't think Wellstone was murdered. Second, if "they" were going to try to take out a senator, why on earth would they pick Tim Johnson?

Loosen the tin foil in the hat band a bit.

[Stand and Fight]

65. We really should be able to un-recommend threads...

By the way, I voted with a resounding pound of my clicker on the NO option...

[mvd]

66. Do I believe..

..they killed both Kennedys and Martin Luther King? Yes.

..the 2000 election was stolen? Yes.

..in MIHOP? Yes, for a certain network that cut across our government.

..the 2004 election was stolen? Probably.

..that they killed Wellstone and Carnahan? Possibly.

..that they did this to Johnson? Right now, no - it looks natural - but we'll see what comes out. Highly unlikely, though.

[Zero Division]

67. Probably not. Shit happens, whether it benefits the powerful or not.

I like to see some evidence to the contrary in order to consider the possibility that human intent was involved. Motivation is not evidence for me.

[Swamp Rat]

69. YES!!! ... ABSOLUTELY!!!

:yoiks: Those EVIL alien lizards did it!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D



:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Mythsaje]

70. I think it's an obvious result of a short range microwave weapon

fired at close range into his skull.

The symptoms are unmistakable.

;)

On edit: I don't find the circumstances amusing, but it's obvious that some people are willing to believe almost anything. And THAT'S funny.

[Nutmegger]

71. This needs an important KICK!!!

}( :evilgrin:

:yoiks:

[rman]

72. Not enough info to conclude, but not outside of the realm of possibilities

[Moderator]

73. locking

flamebait