New ABC News Wash Post Poll: Hillary 39%, Obama 17%, Edwards 12%, Gore 10%, Kerry 7%

[Herman Munster]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121301593.html

Among Democrats, Clinton leads the field with 39 percent, followed by Obama at 17 percent, Edwards at 12 percent, former vice president Al Gore at 10 percent and Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), the party's 2004 nominee, at 7 percent. No other Democrat received more than 2 percent.

When those surveyed were asked their second choice, Clinton's advantage became even more evident. She is the first or second choice of 60 percent of those surveyed, with Obama second at 33 percent.

Clinton receives significantly higher support among women than men (49 percent to 29 percent) and is favored by more moderates than liberals. Obama has almost equal support among men and women but has twice as much support among liberals as among moderates.

[HeeBGBz]

1. Well, they didn't ask me. n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

2. That's great! The front runner this early hasn't won the nomination in years

[Herman Munster]

5. never has a frontrunner been a first lady and spent 8 years in the white house before

I think you can throw all the "history" out the window.

[William769]

6. Ain't that the truth!

It's clear to see right Now Mrs. Clinton is favored among Democrats despite that some on DU have been screaming at the top of their lungs.

I say good for her.

[John Q. Citizen]

26. Eva Peron? n/t

[IndyOp]

7. John Q. ->

:yourock:

I was all ready to start upsetting myself until I read your comment.

:thumbsup:

[SaveElmer]

10. AL Gore?...nt

[John Q. Citizen]

23. Well, Jimmy Carter too. But that was the passing the executive mojo thing.

I meant in what most people would call an open primary.

[SaveElmer]

25. George W. Bush...

Unless you are restricting it to Democrats

[John Q. Citizen]

29. Yeah, the incumbant.

[SaveElmer]

31. Not in 2000...

I believe he was the front runner from day 1

[John Q. Citizen]

34. John McCain was mounting a pretty strong campaign and threatened to

take bush out, which is why bush had to resort to the vile dirty tricks he did.

If bush thought he was a shoe in, I doubt he would have gone to those lenghts.

[SaveElmer]

39. Well I seriously doubt...

That Hillary considers herself a shoe in...though I can pretty much guarantee she won't stoop to tactics like those employed against McCain.

[juajen]

48. Alrighty, people, repeat after me

Shoo-in, not shoe in (I believe it's hyphenated). Yeah, yeah, even I can be wrong sometimes.

[John Q. Citizen]

50. Are you a professional spokesperson for the campaign,

or do you just take it upon yourself to make guareentees on Sen. Clinton's behalf?

Is she ever going to apologise to Sen. Kerry? I thought her treatment of an American war hero was pretty shabby.

I sent her a letter about it. It turns out since I don't live in New York she can't take the time to respond to me because she's too busy doing the work of the people of New York by attacking Sen. Kerry.

Go figure.

[SaveElmer]

53. It is ironic...

That the minority of us here at DU that actually support Sen. Clinton are accused of being Ops, or in collusion with one another...

Yet the 90% of you that genuflect everytime Dennis Kucinich is mentioned, are just honest supporters...

I have no idea at all whether she plans on apologizing to Sen. Kerry...perhaps she already has...

Are you going make the same demand of other Senators and Senator Elects that criticized Kerry as well...like Jon Tester for example?

[John Q. Citizen]

55. First, I didn't accuse you of being an Ops, I just thought it was interesting

that you felt you could make guarantees on behalf of your chosen candidate. All of our candidates are humans and when and if we place them on some lofty level of perfection we are bound to be ultimatley disappointed.

Our thread started out to be about front runners early in the primaries and my reply to you about McCain wasn't meant to imply that the situation was analgous to what Sen. Clinton might or might not do in the future, it was simply about bush and McCain.

And thank you for pointing out that Tester jumped on that unfortunate bandwagon to bash a fellow Democrat because the Repos said jump and unfortunately some Dems replied "How High" on the way up. I will write him a letter about it. I must have missed it in the regular news cycle but I just googled it and yes, that was inappropriate especially coming from someone who themselves did not serve in the military, and from someone who should know better. I know Tester eeked out a win against an incumbant Senator who outspent him almost 2 to 1, but I still feel that doesn't completely absolve him of making the Repos case for them. I don't believe it helped him win.

[HughMoran]

3. Be interesting to look back at these polls

when a candidate starts to pull away in the primaries...

[orpupilofnature57]

4. Considering he's not pandering to MSM president Gore gets my vote

again.

[Clark2008]

37. That's why I like him and Clark.

You can tell who the cWHOREporate media is scared of by who they either slam or refuse to talk about.

[Montauk6]

8. How was the question asked?

Did they simply say, "Whom would you vote for?" Or did they say, "Out of the following list..."?

I just find it interesting that neither of these 5 have said definitively whether they would seek the office, yet Dennis Kucinich has stated that he would indeed be stumping.

Also... no Joementum this time? ;-)

[Renew Deal]

9. Where does Edwards, Gore's and Kerry's support go if they don't run?

I don't think Gore is running. Edwards is 50-50. Kerry wants to run. The article says Clinton, but nor for every candidate. I bet Gore's support is more liberal.

[LittleClarkie]

52. Whoever wins the nomination

gets my support.

Til then, I'm a Kerry gal.

[liberaltrucker]

11. Irrelavent

The election is 2 yr hence. Media bullshit at this time.

:grr:

[goforit]

33. Totally.

[buddysmellgood]

12. I don't believe it.

[bdamomma]

13. this would be an interesting combination

Edwards/Obama. any feedback??

[Radical Activist]

27. Put Obama and Edwards on a ticket together

I prefer Obama at the top but Edwards/Obama works too. I think those two together would be the best Democratic ticket we've had in decades.

Edwards being from the South, plus increased African-American turnout for Obama will make several Southern state competitive. Obama helps in the Midwest. Putting a Southerner and Midwesterner on a ticket together tends to work well. Johnson/Humphrey won the biggest landslide in history. Carter/Mondale at least won once.

I think Gore/Obama works for the same reasons, but Obama and Edwards would have the bonus of being relatively new faces and they're both more charismatic than Gore. Edwards and Obama also have a compatible style and message that would reinforce eachother in a way that Kerry/Edwards did not. Yeah, we'd win with those two.

[dysfunctional press]

38. two one-term senators...? doubtful.

one of them in the 2nd spot on the ticket...maybe...

[Radical Activist]

44. Most of the public really doesn't care about experience.

The less experienced candidate has won over and over again, Bush over Gore, Clinton over Bush, Reagan over Carter, Carter over Ford, Kennedy over Nixon. It doesn't matter.

[SaveElmer]

14. DU's reaction to Hillary Clinton's strength among Democrats...

[rodeodance]

16. I do not mind. Glad to see her ahead

[Selatius]

35. She's by no means guaranteed a win for the nomination.

Gore hadn't even announced he was running yet.

[SaveElmer]

40. Didn't say she was...

Just that DU'ers tend to want to poo poo any evidence of her strength within the party. And as much as I like Gore, his negatives are higher then Hillary's

[Selatius]

41. Well, the poll, in my view, represents nothing of significance.

In my mind, all it is is a testament to her name recognition. She's liberal on a lot of things, but her lack of committal to a timetable for withdrawal leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. If Gore announced officially, I'd be interested in seeing what the polls say then.

[madfloridian]

15. Read this poll for perspective.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/685

[longship]

17. Totally meaningless at this point.

:yawn:

[B Calm]

18. This time in the last presidential cycle, Joe Lieberman was leading!

[SaveElmer]

20. ANd the time before...

Al Gore was leading...

[Hippo_Tron]

19. I see the Vilsack juggernaut is crushing all

In all seriousness, these polls mean nothing. Primary season hasn't even started yet.

[Radical Activist]

21. Does anyone think Hillary is going to gain the support of new people?

Everyone knows who Hillary is. If she's polling at 39% then there's not much chance that she will ever receive more support than that.

Obama on the other hand, has nowhere to go but up. If Hillary, Obama, Edwards and Gore all got into it, this race would be a real clash of the titans. Interesting poll.

[MGKrebs]

54. I disagree completely.

What a lot of people think about HC is based on the crap that the right wing hate machine has been spewing about her for the past 10 or 12 years. I suspect there are a lot of people who haven't gone out of their way to check her out otherwise. If she runs, and the full glare of the campaign spotlight is on her, many people may be surprised to find out that much of what they thought about her is just nonsensical BS.

The very same thing that causes a lot of members of this forum discomfort with her (including myself) will probably be attractive to many swing voters- she's pretty "centrist".
And the Swift Boaters may have inadvertently helped her, because my sense is that the fallout from that group is that people are now aware that there are people/groups out there willing to say pretty much anything to hurt their opponent, and we have a heightened BS meter sensitivity now.

[MGKrebs]

22. One thing I will be looking for is who she surrounds herself with as

far as foreign policy people go. She needs a little help there.

[ScreamingMeemie]

24. Since we're starting so early... Please consider my son for President...

sure, it's 40 years or so away,but why not?

[Robeson]

30. I vote for MrsGrumpy's son! Best . Candidate . Yet!.....

...;-)

[Radical Activist]

28. I'm surprised Gore is so low.

I thought he built up more support than that after his movie.

Kerry has to cringe when he sees 7%. There were no real heavyweights in 2004 when Kerry won. He won't have that advantage this time.

[liberaltrucker]

32. The future of our great nation is at stake!

That future will be decided by a handful of People in a
handful of States. For too long, professional politicians
have had free rein on our Government. I believe it's time
for an actual working person, one who can balance a checkbook,
raise a family, have a few cold ones-in essence, a real American
to reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Therefore, I, liberaltrucker, resident of the State of Alabama and
PROUD member of the liberal website Democratic Underground, declare
my candidacy for the nomination of the Democratic Party for President
of the United States.

HUGH celeb at the WH 1/20/09!!!!

:toast:

[davidwparker]

36. name recognition and Gore hasn't announced

[treestar]

42. Hilarious. Check back in 2 years.

When it matters.

[zalinda]

43. What is interesting is Clinton and Obama

are the ones that the media are pushing. By the time the primaries come around, I don't think they will still be in first place. Remember the media is right wing, they are pushing people they think cannot win.

zalinda

[Roland99]

45. Who'd they poll, the DLC donation list?

[antiimperialist]

46. Lieberman would be our best candidate

Unfortunately, some in our party refuse to acknowledge that Joe Lieberman has broad support among average Americans.
We should consider nominating him as candidate. He would take votes away from Republicans and would fare very well with Independents.

[DemonFighterLives]

47. You serious

the wimp factor would kill us.

Gore/Edwards or Gore/Clinton if Hillary would take second fiddle.

[davidinalameda]

49. Kerry at 7?

can't believe anyone would support him after his stellar performance in 2004

[blm]

56. You mean by exceeding expectations when DNC gave up both 2002 and 2004

on Sept.11, 2001? And Kerry plugged away anyway, even with the last Dem president supporting the Bushes on major policy decisions throughout Bush2's first term? And even with a collapsed Dem party infrastructure? And with most major Dem names refusing to make tv appearances against Bush2 and his spokespeople?

Kerry, Cleland and Clark did a pretty great job considering they were pretty much on their own with a collapsed party infratructure over most of the country.

McAuliffe, Brazille, and LW media did a 'stellar' job in 2002 and 2004, dontcha think?

[mvd]

51. I'll support Kucinich in the primary

No reason not to vote my principles there. But none of the above choices is a bad choice IMO, and Gore is my favorite of them. Gore/Obama or Gore/Clark maybe. I think Hillary should definitely go with Clark if she wins the nomination.