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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:06 AM
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2000 mallard ducks drop dead in Idaho
Fish & Game and Homeland Security are all over it.

It started with 10 found dead yesterday, and up to 2k today - more dying.

It's in an area called the magic valley.

I'm kinda freaked.

Not avian flu (tho not completely dismissed)

Bacterial abscesses on bodies and hemmoraging around the heart.

I'm freaked -- It's all about tin foil for me atm.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:07 AM
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1. Damn that Bruce Tinsley!
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SmellsLikeDeanSpirit Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:08 AM
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2. it's the BIRD FLU *runs toward underground bunker*
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:08 AM
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3. Uh oh.
I know one nervous duck.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:09 AM
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4. Bacterial abscesses?
:faints:
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:10 AM
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5. I'm being serious - 24 hour period... The film they just showed
Had duck bodies everywhere.

Stuff that can do that kinda damage overnight is something to pay attention to.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:11 AM
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6. liver fluke eom
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:11 AM
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7. Heres a link I found:
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:12 AM
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8. Please post a link as soon as you have it.
Edited on Thu Dec-14-06 12:13 AM by eppur_se_muova
Some toxins can lead to abcesses as well. Could be ag runoff or a spill; we need more facts, though.

on edit: crossed in the network, thanks for the link.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:13 AM
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9. Reuters
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:20 AM
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14. Infection from grain treated w pesticides:
Parrish said that the ducks may have contracted a bacterial infection by eating grain treated with pesticides by local cattle farmers. Farming chemicals may also have spilled into the creek, he said.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:24 AM
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16. I can see them
getting poisoned by pesticides, but not contracting a bacterial infection. Unless some toxin really weakens their immune system.

It's a shame, whatever the cause.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:38 AM
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20. Except only ducks dying
not crows or other birds. That is weird.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:13 AM
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10. Poor lil duckies
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:13 AM
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11. Nother link
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 09:51 AM
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23. pic from link above:
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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:16 AM
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12. Avian cholera? see presentations listed
Pasteurella multocida; affects waterfowl, crows, gamebirds, raptors; Gross: septicemia, multifocal necrotizing hepatitis, epicardial hemorrhages, enteritis
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:16 AM
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13. Why would threre be pesticides in the cattle feed?
Wouldn't the cattle be affected?
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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:22 AM
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15. Selenium toxicosis might also be a cause
Edited on Thu Dec-14-06 12:35 AM by ewoden
Selenium is an additive in livestock feeds to promote growth (micro nutrient). Though my money is on Avian cholera, hammers ducks and very quickly, especially if they are crowded into a small area.
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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:24 AM
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17. The Burley area is full of confined animal operations
and farmland. These smaller waterways can have very high concentrations of fertilizers and fecal matter. Our ground water is in terrible shape.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:25 AM
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18. Magic Valley.
Lots of mining I believe in the gold rush days. Seems like a mining hazardous waste leak that hit the waterways that the ducks use. It could be something that has been lying there for several decades that finally got washed into the system.

Idaho doesn't like much government intervention in it's extraction industries so I'm sure there is industrial waste involved somewhere there even though it seems all so pristine.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:32 AM
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19. Could that harsh spate of freezing we went through...
...be a possibility here? (Needed mentioning because that was an abnormality which directly preceded this.)
I look forward to the autopsy results, I hope it is something simple like this. I wonder why this isn't bigger news....
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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:41 AM
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21. Freezing forces ducks into limited open water spaces
Edited on Thu Dec-14-06 12:48 AM by ewoden
They overnight in those areas. Sick birds excrete in water, area has high runoff of animal operations so high nutrients, crowded conditions, bacterial breeding ground : Avian cholera outbreak is my Fristian diagnosis.

Mine waste? Metals usually don't produce putrescent lesions. Takes an awful lot of something like copper to kill acutely, probably have a fish kill along with it. Pesticides? Organophosphates or carbamates are most likely causes of widespread avian deaths and they are neurotoxins, hence again no putrescent lesions and again if in water these ACHE inhibitors would produce a fish kill.

Here's a site from USGS on avian cholera http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 09:47 AM
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22. The thought they might have to run the Cheney gauntlet
Edited on Thu Dec-14-06 09:48 AM by formercia
Better dead than Lead.
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