I suspect that repubs kill people to retain power. Am I crazy?

[Philosoraptor]

Call me paranoid and delusional and coated with tin, but here I am again, suspicious of nefarious activity from my own shadowy government.

Would members of our own government actually kill folks to retain their ill gotten power? What kind of wild eyed conspiracy theorist could dream up such crap? Me.

I know I can't prove it, that would be ridiculous, a nobody like me trying to prove that repubs kill people to retain power, of course there's no proof of it, these guys are the best at what they do. Anyone who even suggests that they are that evil is instantly laughed out of the room.

Do evil individuals in powerful positions plot to have people killed for profit or power?
Witness the war, republicans kill people without even batting an eye. They are currently murdering our soldiers by forcing them to be targets in somebody else's civil war. They are murdering innocents by the thousands, for profit and power.

Would they target an individual to tilt the power back in their direction? None dare call it treason.

[Swamp Rat]

1. yep

:)

[cali]

2. Did Hillary kill Vince Foster?

How is your paranoia any different than wingnuts who believe that?

[zeemike]

16. Here is a trivia question

Who was the last person to see Vince Foster alive?
Here is a hint She brought him a hamburger for lunch.

[Sperk]

20. hillary didn't ignore multiple 9/11 warnings from multiple sources.

Hillary didn't tell an FBI agent delivering the PDB "ok you covered your ass now, you can go"

Repug senators have a MUCH lower death rate in plane crashes.

Hillary didn't deliver 600,000 iraqis a death sentence.

Hillary didn't tell millions of NEW Yorkers that poisonous air was fine to breath

Hillary did't "get to" the Supreme court to make them insert her as POTUS

Hillary doesn't have energy task force documents to hide.

Hillary didn't create her own CIA to get us into a war

Hillary didn't spy on Americans

Hillary din't write torture memos



HOW MANY DEATHS does it take for people to see that this REGIME does NOT value any life that gets in their way of their goals.

TRILLIONS of dollars are at stake and control over the most powerful country (for now) on earth.

IF THIS GROUP HASN'T shown you that they can and will do anything to keep power (especially now since they've committed treasonists acts) then YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT!!!!!

[bigtree]

21. well said

[cali]

24. Paranoid and stupid bullshit.

Freepers will give you a long list of equally "compelling" things that the Clintons did. They claim, for instance, that the Clintons did spy on Americans, that they kept an enemies list, that they were in cahoots with the Chinese, etc., etc.

Extraordinary claims require at least a drop of evidence. You have nothing but your fevered imaginings. When I see one speck of evidence to bolster the claim that Sen. Johnson was the victim of malfeasance, I'll reconsider. Until then I'll follow the dictates of reason, not hysteria.

[bigtree]

27. It may not be proof of anything, but, it's an answer to those who want to put these things

beyond the realm of what some in the administration and the GOP will do to hold on to power.

I don't understand why the willful killing of innocents in Iraq, and the deliberate sacrificing of American soldier's lives and livelihoods for Bush's Iraq lie, *used by his administration and his party to boost their influence and power, is seen by some as less pernicious than the harming of one man.

edit: *

[zeemike]

30. The answer is Linda Tripp

And that is not "evidence " ether just a strange coincidence that runs like a thread through all the deaths of powerful people.
Would you eat something given to you by the right wing radicals if you were in a position of power?

[formercia]

46. not me

Having dealt first-hand with Bush Gang.

[formercia]

31. Just giving them a dose of their own medicine

as the old saying goes. :evilgrin:

[TheWatcher]

38. Name Calling and Insulting

About your speed.

Give it a rest.

[Sperk]

39. mine were not "claims"....facts

n/t

[tabasco]

45. Hillary had no rational motive to kill Foster.

There are billions of dollars at stake in the current scenario. That's a rational motive.

You are obtuse if you fail to see the difference.

[liberal N proud]

3. Nothing is beneath these bastards

[cali]

4. Precisely what freepers say

about Clintons and other dems.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

the difference being

that Vince Foster was a Democrat himself-by freeper mentality, he was killed to shut him up, whereas I think the OP was about the GOP killing members of the opposition so that they could regain or maintain power. Not that I think this is the case, however. I don't think they've sunk as low as Putin , at least not yet.

[meegbear]

5. Yes. Next question.

[PCIntern]

6. You're not crazy...

my only quarrel with your question is the word 'suspect'.

3000 soldiers, 600000+ Iraqis

Possibly 3000 on 9/11
Kennedy X2
Wellstone
JFK Jr.
MLK
George Wallace Shot
Malcolm X
Nixon Eviscerated by his own

Many more...stay tuned...

[Hippo_Tron]

Yup, George Wallace and Richard Nixon were true poster boys for liberal causes

:eyes:

[Pab Sungenis]

42. Not that I believe the conspiracy theories

...but Wallace was a conservative DEMOCRAT, and Nixon threatened to take down the entire Republican Party structure with him.

[PDittie]

7. I think that the conspiracy theories

are mostly unhelpful right now.

[Philosoraptor]

8. All I have left is conspiracy theories, sorry

[PDittie]

10. No apology necessary, Raptor

I dig your shit almost all the time.

It's just that, well...

..this stuff is red meat for the FReep Patrol over here. Just sayin'.

[Swamp Rat]

12. Now yer really gonna get it, you nutjob!

Dog-pile on the cwazy wabbit. :D

[personman]

32. I always thought the more interesting stuff

was the stuff everyone knows that doesn't need proving. Like the war in iraq and our hyper aggressive foreign policy, the assault on our civil liberties by increasingly authoritarian leaders, domestic policy that creates situations like Katrina and poverty in general. I suspect for every iffy conspiracy theory against a politician requiring massive leaps of logic, there are at least twice as many things they've done right out in the open, admitted to, shaken hands with a bunch of guys in suits while smiling about...etc, that are at least as bad, and often worse and on a larger scale.

Edit: That said, it wouldn't surprise me.

[HamdenRice]

14. When the govt is run by a criminal conspiracy ...

Then your theory of what they are doing is by necessity a conspiracy theory.

Can you deny, within the confines of reality based community reasoning, that the current administration is a criminal conspiracy?

[PCIntern]

17. I heard that in 1963 on a Friday PM

Do you think that we were naive back then? Fact of the matter is that one of the first things reported was that they had a description out for Oswald almost immediately but never explained why they stopped looking for multiple people and focused on him solely. Even if he were a participant, why would they assume that he was a lone nut until more facts were in?

It is wise to get your back arched early...rather than wait unitl it's too late.

Not that there's anything we can do about this stuff..

[Joanne98]

9. No. You're not crazy. They've been killing for decades.

[lse7581011]

11. I Would Be Very Careful

if I were a democratic senator from a state with a republican governor!

[Midlodemocrat]

13. As a shithouse rat.

[bigtree]

15. I suspect your distrust stems from the administration's lying

which, supported by republicans, allowed our soldiers to be sent to kill and die in an illegal war. I don't know of anything more pernicious than that. They still haven't owned up to their treachery and continue to lie to keep our soldiers bogged down there. Minds which could engineer and perpetuate sending our soldiers on such a immoral killing spree are capable of any treachery which falls under the bar of the 100's of thousands of innocents already killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I'm supposed to sit back and accept that this bunch wouldn't kill one senator to hold onto power? They've allowed thousands of our own soldiers to be killed in Iraq because they thought it would give them a political boost.

Although I'm not ready to come anywhere close to accusing anyone, including republicans, of any malfeasance regarding Tim's illness, I'm not going to put it past them.

[dbt]

18. "They wouldn't do that. It's just too CRAZY."

That mindset on the part of most Americans is precisely what has allowed the BFEE and the Entity to whom it answers to get away with >90% of every criminal enterprise they have (so far) undertaken.

There was a time when the Supreme Court electing the president in this country was seen as "too crazy." That's why it was so easy to arrange.

Q: Why are there so many Conspiracy Theories?
A: Because there are so many Conspiracies.

:evilgrin:
dbt
Remember New Orleans

[wildflowergardener]

19. No so crazy unfortunately

There are alot of crazy people out there. I hate to think like this - hate to think it would be possible. As I said, even if it wasn't someone in charge, there are alot of crazy people. Also, if you had an awful lot to lose by investigations of things you did you might be desperate.

Wasn't the antrax sent to democrats only? That person was conveniently never caught.

People bomb abortion clinics.

This is probably a normal medical problem, but they haven't said what's wrong with him yet so who knows.

Meg

[William769]

22. You seem to have answered your own question.

[Red Zelda]

23. God wants the GOP in control!

[enough already]

25. Bush and Rove have already killed millions

What's one more?

[Dinger]

26. Like I Said In Another Post, This Shit Happens To Dems EXCLUSIVELY At Critical Times

Never repukes. In that same thread almost everyone seemed to think that the repukes would never do such a thing, blah, blah, blah. I'm not saying the repukes did anything to Johnson, but it is a very real possibility in my opinion.

[Selatius]

28. Before the 1960s, I would've thought you were "fucking insane"

Political assassinations and forced suicides? That's the stuff of 3rd world tinpot dictatorships, warzones, and Stalinist hellholes!

"It can't happen here." Not in America!

:sarcasm:

[Hippo_Tron]

29. If they were interested in taking back the senate, Johnson was the wrong Senator...

From what I've read a special election has to be held within 90 days. So while Mike Rounds can appoint a Republican to fill the vacancy. Here's the catch. There are two extremely qualified Democrats to run in a South Dakota special election in 90 days: Tom Daschle and Stephanie Herseth. The GOP would have maybe a 50/50 chance at best of winning that special election.

If they wanted to kill someone for a seat it would be Ben Nelson of Nebraska. It's a red state with a GOP Governor and the Democrats have virtually no popular elected officials there that could step up to run in a special election (if the law even requires that one be called). The only hope Democrats would have is Bob Kerrey who might not be even be electable anymore due to sexual affairs and I'm pretty certain he no longer has a residence in Nebraska.

[davekriss]

41. Now, I've read differently

THe Republican appointment lasts for two years. Then there's an election to replace Johnson. Look here:

The two-term senator's illness -- which sent Senate Democratic leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) rushing to the hospital to check on Johnson -- underscored the fragility of Democrats' hold on the next Senate, which they won by the narrowest of margins in the Nov. 7 elections. Should Johnson be unable to complete his term, South Dakota's Republican governor, Michael Rounds, would name a replacement for the next two years.

(more)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/14/AR2006121400379.html

If Johnson dies or otherwise cannot return to office, it essentially nullifies the Senate victory. And here I was salivating all over myself with all of Leahy's tough talk about Gonzales. All that would be swept away and we'd have two more years of unfettered fascism, imo.

[annabanana]

44. the law

12-11-1. Special election to fill congressional vacancy--Time of election of representative. If a vacancy occurs in the office of a senator or representative in the United States Congress it shall be the duty of the Governor within ten days of the occurrence, to issue a proclamation setting the date of and calling for a special election for the purpose of filling such vacancy. If either a primary or general election is to be held within six months, an election to fill a vacancy in the office of representative in the United States Congress shall be held in conjunction with that election, otherwise the election shall be held not less than eighty nor more than ninety days after the vacancy occurs.

(emphasis mine)

http://legis.state.sd.us/statutes/DisplayStatute.aspx?Type=Statute&Statute=12-11-1

[davekriss]

47. Well that is good to know

And good to know again that the Washington Post is wrong (my "2 years" cite, above).

[Pab Sungenis]

43. Nelson's already practically a Republican.

He and LIEberman can be swing votes on a lot of the Democratic agenda. If (NOT SAYING THEY DO) Republicans wanted to take out a Democratic Senator to regain control, they'd also want it to be one with a moderate to liberal voting record (see: Wellstone).

[cwydro]

33. You know, I hate to say this

but that thought occurred to me this morning, especially when they keep calling it a "mysterious" illness and "stroke-like". Perhaps they've taken a page from Putin's book.

I find it incredibly sad that such a thought even occurred to me. And one side of me is saying, "Oh stop, you sound like a wingnut!" But the other side keeps saying, "Well, ya know...this sure is convenient for them..."

[NoPasaran]

34. Yes. No question about it.

[cwydro]

35. Usually I write this in the lounge but

IBTL.

[Mike Daniels]

36. Yep.

There were more than enough close elections in November that if the Repubs were going to do something underhanded to hold onto power they could have easily done it through the electronic voting avenue.

Perfectly healthy people suffer sudden medical problems more frequently than you apparently think is possible.

I may have to invest in aluminum foil producers if the line of thinking in this and other threads on DU continues.

[Philosoraptor]

37. I'm not suspicious much.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but sometimes it ain't. Would they do something underhanded? Ever? No, they are fine, upstanding Americans.

[davekriss]

40. We could not have written a more gripping novel...

...than what we observe in reality these days. We learn alot about ourselves from poems, novels, plays, and films, all of which reflect back to ourselves something of which we are. I think Coppolla's comments on American governance have weight when he has Michael say to Kay, in the Godfather (1972):

Michael: I'm working for my father now. He's been sick, very sick.
Kay: But you're not like him, Michael. I thought you weren't going to become a man like your father. That's what you told me.
Michael: My father's no different than any other powerful man (Kay laughs), any man who's responsible for other people. Like a senator or a president.
Kay: You know how naive you sound?
Michael: Why?
Kay: Senators and presidents don't have men killed.
Michael: Oh, who's being naive, Kay?

Call me tin-foiled, but the ratio of untimely Democratic deaths to Republican deaths since 1963 is better than 2:1. And it would take just one Wellstoned Democratic Senator in a state held by a Republican Govenor to tilt committees back to the Republicans and maintain, in the Senate, the Bush agenda. No investogations. Two more years of blank checks for war. Two more years of rollback of the Bill of Rights. Watch the next "heart attack" or "stroke" or mysterious Polonium posioning and ask, who benefits?

On edit: Corrected mispellings.

[NotGivingUp]

48. they've been targeting people all along. they will stop at nothing.

[Balbus]

49. Yep - but this is only one of many reasons.

[Skinner]

50. Locking

How many of these threads did you start? Jeez.