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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:01 PM
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Hotline's Joshua Green on Hillary Clinton's membership in two conservative prayer groups
Clinton is part of not one, but two, prayers groups with distinctly conservative bents: an exclusive Senate prayer group that meets on Wednesday mornings, and a women’s prayer group that she’s been a part of since her early White House days. The women’s group is run by Holly Leachman, a layperson at the McLean Bible Church in Virginia, itself magnet for prominent conservatives, including former independent counsel Kenneth Starr, Republican senators John Thune and James Inhofe, as well as several Bush staffers and their families.

Leachman's prayer group includes many prominent Republican wives, among them Susan Baker, wife of Iraq Study Group co-chairman James Baker, who along with Leachman ministered to Hillary Clinton in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. (Leachman, mentioned briefly in Clinton’s memoir, Living History, is the wife of Washington Redskins chaplain Jerry Leachman).

Both prayer groups are affiliated with The Fellowship, a reclusive and often controversial evangelical organization with a decades-long history of ministering to powerful people in government including Clinton, who herself has spoken at The Cedars, a mansion that The Fellowship maintains in Arlington.

Because it insists on utmost secrecy, The Fellowship has cultivated something of the air of one those sinister organizations you come across in John Grisham novels and, though it runs the annual National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C., is the type of outfit that would make many liberals blanch. All of which is to suggest that candidates’ religion will an ongoing topic of fascination for political reporters, and it won’t just be limited to Romney.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/12/hillary_clinton_4.html
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:06 PM
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1. PTL!
:puke:
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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:09 PM
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2. So
What are you saying?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:09 PM
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3. Bill Nelson as well. See the article Jesus Plus Nothing at Harpers.
http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html

Also there was an article:

The Los Angeles Times, Sep 27, 2002
Showing Faith in Discretion
The Fellowship, which sponsors the National Prayer Breakfast, quietly effects political change. It acts with the blessing of many in power.

I don't have a link, but I have the whole article.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:17 PM
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5. google has some interesting
entries on the fellowship
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 01:28 PM
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12. I just added the link and snips from Harper's Article below on the thread..
I'd like to know more about Joshua Green who wrote this for the "Hotline," though.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:06 PM
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18. (....).....
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:15 PM
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4. here`s the guys that run the mclean bible church
Edited on Thu Dec-14-06 12:16 PM by madrchsod
http://www.mcleanbible.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=1075
Board of Elders (McLean Bible Church)

now i know i`d never vote for her
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:18 PM
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6. oh, this is just because she's a powerfuL woman!
i'm onto you.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:19 PM
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7. The Fellowship should be a serious concern. The rest, probably not.
The Fellowship is all about right-wing Christians taking control of the political scene. That's it! Lots of fol-de-rol about Christianity, but it's about power. Like Opus Dei. Not about Christianity, about Power.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 07:37 PM
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17. Seems all those who were alerted to "Fellowship" have left DU or their
voices were cut off. :shrug:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:23 PM
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8. holly and jerry leachman
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 01:02 PM
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9. no one likes a politician
but they always vote for one.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 01:06 PM
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10. I wouldn't like to think of Hillary associated with "The Fellowship."
Edited on Thu Dec-14-06 01:35 PM by KoKo01
not good news....although many here might not know about this creepy sinister group. Question is: I believe that only Men can be part of the "Fellowship" and so I question how she could be associated with this group and why this would even be reported on the Hotline given all the prominent MEN Politicians who belong to it.

On Edit: I see from the article that she has "spoken" to the group so they haven't changed the rules to allow women in yet. Either Frank is trying to trash her by "association" or trying reveal much more sinister connections to others that could be important for folks to know about.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 01:23 PM
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11. Here's the link to Harpers Mag. on "The Fellowship" for those who don't
Edited on Thu Dec-14-06 01:24 PM by KoKo01
know about it & a snip:

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Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as “the Family.” The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, “a target for misunderstanding.” The Family's only publicized gathering is the National Prayer Breakfast, which it established in 1953 and which, with congressional sponsorship, it continues to organize every February in Washington, D.C. Each year 3,000 dignitaries, representing scores of nations, pay $425 each to attend. Steadfastly ecumenical, too bland most years to merit much press, the breakfast is regarded by the Family as merely a tool in a larger purpose: to recruit the powerful attendees into smaller, more frequent prayer meetings, where they can “meet Jesus man to man.”

In the process of introducing powerful men to Jesus, the Family has managed to effect a number of behind-the-scenes acts of diplomacy. In 1978 it secretly helped the Carter Administration organize a worldwide call to prayer with Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat, and more recently, in 2001, it brought together the warring leaders of Congo and Rwanda for a clandestine meeting, leading to the two sides' eventual peace accord last July. Such benign acts appear to be the exception to the rule. During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand “Communists” killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise. “We work with power where we can,” the Family's leader, Doug Coe, says, “build new power where we can't.”

At the 1990 National Prayer Breakfast, George H.W. Bush praised Doug Coe for what he described as “quiet diplomacy, I wouldn't say secret diplomacy,” as an “ambassador of faith.” Coe has visited nearly every world capital, often with congressmen at his side, “making friends” and inviting them back to the Family's unofficial headquarters, a mansion (just down the road from Ivanwald) that the Family bought in 1978 with $1.5 million donated by, among others, Tom Phillips, then the C.E.O. of arms manufacturer Raytheon, and Ken Olsen, the founder and president of Digital Equipment Corporation. A waterfall has been carved into the mansion's broad lawn, from which a bronze bald eagle watches over the Potomac River. The mansion is white and pillared and surrounded by magnolias, and by red trees that do not so much tower above it as whisper. The mansion is named for these trees; it is called The Cedars, and Family members speak of it as a person. “The Cedars has a heart for the poor,” they like to say. By “poor” they mean not the thousands of literal poor living barely a mile away but rather the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom: the senators, generals, and prime ministers who coast to the end of Twenty-fourth Street in Arlington in black limousines and town cars and hulking S.U.V.'s to meet one another, to meet Jesus, to pay homage to the god of The Cedars.

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:Br6hspqdOTAJ:www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html+The+Fellowship,+Harpers&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 02:16 PM
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13. Very disturbing. As if I didn't have enough reason to dislike her. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 02:22 PM
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14. “We work with power where we can, build new power where we can't.”
In the process of introducing powerful men to Jesus, the Family has managed to effect a number of behind-the-scenes acts of diplomacy. In 1978 it secretly helped the Carter Administration organize a worldwide call to prayer with Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat, and more recently, in 2001, it brought together the warring leaders of Congo and Rwanda for a clandestine meeting, leading to the two sides' eventual peace accord last July. Such benign acts appear to be the exception to the rule. During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand “Communists” killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise. “We work with power where we can,” the Family's leader, Doug Coe, says, “build new power where we can't.”

http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 02:25 PM
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15. perhaps she's very smartly keeping an eye on these people?
especially back when Kenneth Starr was mucking about...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 02:28 PM
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16. Suppose that's possible....but why would they have accepted her in?
Edited on Thu Dec-14-06 02:29 PM by KoKo01
:shrug: Given the huge hoopla of antagonism all during the Clinton years and the rise of the Religious Far Fight during that time...wouldn't it seem she wouldn't have been accepted in those circles. At least by the "Fellowship" crowd who seem very odd.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:15 PM
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19. Sad....have all DU'ers who knew about "THE FELLOWSHIP" left here?
When I was a "Newbie" on DU...I lurked and listened and learned.

One of my FIRST Initiations was "THE FELLOWSHIP" from "Harpers Magazine."

I read it and when I read it the "scales were peeled from my eyes"...I finally had alot of "QUETIONS" answered.

I hope that DU "Lurkers" will hit the Harpers Link and the other...and become "Enlightened" like I was. (and...believe me...I didn't want to know what I read in that article that goes on in DC) ..:-( I always wanted, in my heart, to believe that Americans and our Government were GOOD PEOPLE!

This article questions alot of what we Dems (who still consider ourselves "Patriots" stil believe in).

It's worth the read...... really.. WE NEED TO MOVE ON...AND RE-BUILD the VISION FULFILLED OF DEMOCRACY! ..........It's been VERY Corrupted by the Bush Crime Family/Neo-Cons back to Nixon.

It's OUR TIME! CAN WE MAKE IT WORK? Or, will we be spineless and compromising.

I don't know...:-(
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 07:26 PM
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20. post and thread need more viewers...no matter where you are...it's important
to read what the "Fellowship is all about." It really is...maybe I'm the last lone voice following others who "lead the way" for me...but go hit the "Hapers Link" and download to "read later" and then check our the LATimes article, too.

It's HISTORY..and stuff we need to know. Whether they are "sinister" or "a way to do Diplomacy "outside the bubble" is UP TO YOU TO DECIDE..

But...ALL DU'ers need to read this...those who missed it on the First,Second and Third "go rounds" here. :shrug:
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